Why I Shut Down the Facebook Fan Page

Tears.

This is the first time in three years that running this blog has brought me to actual tears.

Negative reviews, name calling, mocking my physique, “reviewing” my photography skills or lack of  – this is just a tip of the iceberg of what I’ve endured since I listed SJK Photography on this website.   None of this has brought me even a misty eye but tonight for the first time, I’m in tears.

I realize it’s likely because I’m exhausted… and a girl.

However, I’ve had enough.

Maybe I should keep this to myself because I’m sure they are going to tap dance themselves to bed reading this but frankly I just do not care anymore.  It seems that their only thrill in life is making my life hell so here you go Billcie.  You made me cry.  Hope that makes your week.

Tonight I received my second ban from Facebook this week because of posts that are against Facebook’s Community Standards on Photo Stealers.   I decided to unpublish the Photo Stealers Facebook Page because I don’t feel like going back through the entire history and deleting every.single.post to avoid bans from Facebook in the future.   The posts that are getting removed have such vulgarity as “Sigh” and a link to a negative review on The Knot, “New Listing” and a link to a blog post and other innocuous posts listed below.  The first few I assumed were due to the commenters saying something against code but this latest ban came after I made a clean sweep of the comments and took strides to keep things clean on the Facebook Page (and this post had nothing to do with SJK Photography).  Didn’t matter… ban hammer fell again.

Part of the reason I’m leaving Facebook is also because they literally have no support for accounts.  There’s no one I can email or call to try and sort things out.  No one I can ask what exactly was ban worthy.  I even reached out to Facebook Business hoping for some help there but no luck at all – they won’t talk to you about your personal account even though it affects your business account.

 

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Thank you to those of you that have supported me through this.  Be it via hugs, calls, virtual shoulders, support, donations or ad clicks.  You have no idea how much you all mean to me.  *hugs*

This is just a highlight of what I’ve been going through on a personal level since I posted the blog about SJK Photography, for an in depth look, view the original post.

Negative Reviews:

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I received two contacts via my website contact form from an anonymous proxy.  I cannot prove it is them due to the use of that but the context is telling.

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Facebook:

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Yes, I know I shouldn’t have been on the tracks but the clients requested it because these have sentimental value to them.  I had a train schedule from the adjacent depot and could see the horizon on both sides.  They were on the tracks for at most 3 minutes.  Sometimes you have to do what you have to do to make your clients happy.

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Twitter:

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Blog comments:

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Petition:

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I plan to continue forward with the blog however, so Photo Stealers isn’t gone completely.  Just from Facebook… because their policies are totally wack.

  • You can’t fix stupid

    They think they might have won but they haven’t it is going to get worse for them after this.

  • Celine (peaceetc)

    This is not the end, only a temporary setback. We still believe in you and what this site stands for, and will stand with you.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      We all will and then more and more will stand with you.

  • Helena

    This needs to be shared far and wide, not just to showcase what a waste of oxygen Stacie and Bill are, but to highlight how utterly useless Facebook are at preventing abuse. They’ve allowed this to go on too long.

    I’m furious. This is bullshit.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      I have spammed Ello with them. And Tsu

      • Kimo

        Ello is far better than Facebook. It seems there are more serious people on there, as well. I just got started with it, and haven’t explored everything, though.

        • Not sure what “better” means.. but I imagine you mean artist to artist sort of connections because, like it or not (and I’m hating FB right now), FB is still the granddaddy of social media when it comes to reaching potential clients… so if that’s what you’re after, I’d argue it’s still “better” (and getting worse!)

          PS we should connect on Ello! 🙂 If I can only rmemeber what my account name is haha!

          • Kimo

            Not necessarily artist to artist, but more like person to person. As it expands, it will benefit businesses, as I see a couple popping up.

  • Kimo

    You could move to Ello for the social media side. It has less reach right now, but is growing. I know they’re not on there.

  • Kimo

    On a side note, sorry for your tears. Think of them as little sprinkles of victory. Each one you’re shedding is because of a victory over these losers. Each one they’re making trying to milk from you is 1/100th of the failure they cry over every night.

    They’re afraid of the quiet and the light. It means they have to think and to face what they hate about themselves. That’s why they attack you so viciously, they’re lonely and want company. You remind them of their utter lack of anything resembling human or alive, so you’re the target.

    You can’t be a victim if you keep on you’re path. You’re the better person, you’re the stronger person, the stronger mind, the force behind this page’s success. They can never even come close to that.

    Remember, they are an experiment in a multi-generational, inter-species, decreased genetic diversity breeding program.

  • keca

    It’s still asking me for a password??? Gah. I even tried installing chrome on my iPhone and it says the same thing.

    • Photo Stealers

      It is test, word press is being stupid.

  • keca

    Oh what bullshit this is. Wow wow wow. You will prevail. Everyone has a breaking point, and there is no shame in that. This is not the end. They are two; we are over 13,000!

    • Kimo

      They think she’s reached her breaking point, I think there’s a long way to go. Corey’s a lot stronger than that, based on how much she gives to society.

  • Rage.

    • PS when I click the title of the post, it’s also asking me to enter password and not showing the content.. What a fun day for you 😉

  • ALP

    Such complete and utter bullshit. Facebook is such a monolith and there is no help no matter who you talk to or what question you ask. It’s crap. And it sucks that it’s just not that hard to game the system.

  • Richard

    I don’t have a Facebook business page and kept being told how vital it was for a business how I needed one. I only have a Facebook page for personal use because I was persuaded by friends that it was a perfect way of keeping in contact and sharing stuff. I’ve never liked the way Facebook operates, the way it constantly re-writes the rules, the way it supports bully’s and thieves, its double standards etc. Finally I decided to bite the bullet and set up a business page, the day later you got your first ban – I was appalled. This just typified how awful and unprofessional Facebook are. I deleted my page, I almost deleted my personal page as well but have held on to it simply because it is the only means I have of keeping contact with certain people. It is no wonder that Facebook is dying. Keep up your good work with this page, are you really that worried that you are no longer on a platform that is so f*cked up it causes more issues and grief than it actually solves?

    • Kimo

      Facebook is why things like Ello are popping up. These new outlets are learning from Facebook’s failures.

  • keca

    I hope everyone here is reporting Stacie Klein and Bill Scott posts and their pages, this one included (in which they have stolen the cover art and a song title from the band Live). It won’t let me report anymore.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      They removed the harassing photos before FB could review it. That way they don’t get bans.

    • Throwing Copper, one of my favourite albums of all time :0) http://youtu.be/xSHAqHA-SPc

    • C Sab

      The beginning of the end? lol Oh no! I’m sooooooo afraid. Pft. They still think they’re actually a threat to anyone.

  • Photo Stealers

    Password is test – Word Press is being glitchy!

  • captain-confuzzled

    Whatever decisions you make, you have our support and we are proud to be associated with you and proud that you have taken a stand against the worst of the world. The stealers and harassers who choose to smile at your tears may feel a brief moment of satisfaction, but what they will never have, is anyone that is proud of them, respects them, or that will stand with them, and that is truly their loss. In the end, bravado and gaming the system in order to hurt others is never sustainable over the long haul and they will be left with what they started with, nothing and no one.

  • Peter Kelly

    Sometimes, when faced by continuous aggression, argument, and criticism, it gets really difficult to keep your belief that you are decent, good, and honest; you almost wonder whether you are wrong and the rest of the world is right.

    This is definitely one of those occasions when you should put aside those doubts!

    Corey, I don’t know you personally at all, but you are certainly one of ‘the good guys’. To have the strength and decency to set up and run this website deserves recognition and tremendous appreciation.

    I wish I could do more than type some insufficient words, but they are heartfelt.
    Please, know that there are very many people out there who have nothing but admiration for you and you should be rightly proud of all that you have done.

    • Kimo

      This about sums it up! I couldn’t have said it better!

    • what he said^^^^

    • Melinda Potter

      Awwwwww totally what he said ^

    • Momof2

      Amen!

    • Phoxy_Photog

      I work with a grade-A sociopath. Horrible human being- at the beginning, stole a project I was assigned and currently working on off the company server, altered it, and used it for a final project, without proper approval from the bosses. This was brought to my boss’ attention. Then later, she began altering documents not only of mine but other employees (yes, everything is on a server). Proof was there of everything. Had a meeting with the bosses and this woman basically called me a liar, rolled her eyes, cackled, accused me of some completely random things I didn’t do, and said she never did such and such (even though the proof was clearly there). She with her demeaning, alpha-female personality (and being twice my age almost) turned the tables and made me look like the liar. Everyone knows her true colors now and we’re just waiting for her to get fired. Can’t believe she hasn’t been yet with all the crap she has pulled. My bosses are too forgiving.

      I fucking hate sociopaths. They cause me emotional distress.

  • Justin Case

    So they figured out how to game the system and change the narrative to ignore what is REALLY the root of all this: they stole someone else’s hard work, lied to their friends and clients, then went on a non-stop attack on the people who were brave enough to tell the truth about them.

    Hang in there Corey. When people lie, cheat, steal and harass to get their way, they win nothing. They may have brought you to tears this time, but all they have really accomplished is to show even more people how empty they truly are inside.

  • This is just wrong on so many levels :0( It must be completely demoralising to have put up with this tirade of abuse, and it’s surprising that you’ve lasted this long. Lesser mortals would have crumbled long before now. That’s a testament to your character, and the support you have gathered from everyone here.

    I’m new to the party, but I’ve been read everything on here with a certain amount of “wtf” at every twist and turn. Perhaps the tears were born of frustration at finding yourself unable to do anything about the Facebook bans, but who knows?

    Honestly, I hope that it’s just a bump in the road, and that you and everyone else here continues to fight the good fight. You have my unwavering support, because I admire what you do here and if I can help in any way, I will.

  • Melinda Potter

    Eh, truthfully… It’s not how I found out about new listings anyway. Facebook rarely if ever showed me your statuses in my feed. I did look at posts to page quite a bit. I like reading and helping when I can, when its a stealer situation that doesn’t quailify for a blog listing. Other than that, and a few great comments from the followers of the page, it’s not that important to have anyway.

    Just know that if facebook managment weren’t faceless, things would be completely different. You go girl! I’m proud of you

  • Melinda Potter

    And just know that it’s ok that you’re feeling the way you are. It doesn’t make you less right, or somehow less strong. During this whole ordeal Bill only messaged me once in an attempt to dirty your name. Yes, I laughed and rolled my eyes when my notification popped up, but … My heart raced when I read what he had to say. My heart raced when I thought “oh shit! What will he do to me next? Will he continue to badger me? Will Stacie start with me too? What the hell?! I don’t want this!” Making my decision to write him back was difficult as well. my reply was difficult. So much I wanted to say, but I DID feel quite intimidated by him, and worried of his reaction or retaliation.
    One message. One tiny moment of contact, and I went through a whole reem of feelings and worries.
    Your shoes, I could not wear, not even for a day. But I’m so very glad you wear them, and wear them so well.

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      Well written, Melinda, as usual. When Bill messaged me, I just blocked him because I didn’t want any direct contact with him. Your handling of him was beautiful. It’s too bad your words were completely lost on him.

      As for Corey… she rocks big time, and I admire the hell out of her for doing what she does. She takes so much flack for standing up for what is right from people who are anything but. She’s an amazing person, and is everything Bill and Stacie could never be. Corey lives in the light, but Bill and Stacie will never know anything but darkness. I would feel sorry for them, but they put themselves there. I bet it’s an incredibly lonely place.

      • Melinda Potter

        oh believe me it was almost a knee jerk reaction to block him. I think if I had been home and able to handle it at the very moment my notification came, that’s what I would have done. AHHHHH Squish the bug!!! but I think because I had to sit on it for a while wondering what I was in for… It helped me process it better, or prolonged the agony of not knowing what they would attempt to do to me. UGH! either way… no like. and yes, I was convinced it would not end with just one message. I had no reason to think otherwise. To tell you the truth, I’m still a little worried about what’s next. I won’t let them stop me from commenting on a blog, but… let’s just say, I won’t feel completely comfortable/safe until things get completely resolved with them. “Hi I’m Melinda, and I’m a wuss” *nervous laugh*
        Or maybe I should say “Hi I’m Melinda, and Stacie and Bill scare me a little”

        • Celine (peaceetc)

          You aren’t a wuss. It’s perfectly natural to be afraid of bullies who seem perfectly happy to do whatever it takes to intimidate and instill fear in others.

  • Bill Scott and Stacie Klein are pieces of shit. Thieves are the worse kind of people out there.

  • Photo Stealers

    I shut down the comments to their blog and deleted everything off the Facebook Page and they still kept on going. I actually was considering deleting their post just to move on from things but then the bans started rolling in this week and that “Ha” page ramped up. So it stays.

    It’s been almost THREE months – I don’t think they’ll move on anytime soon.

  • Just a Girl

    THIS is BULLSHIT! Karma will come circle on these 2 and anyone else who is playing their little fucked up game right along side them. And when it does they won’t know what hit them.
    Corey, they didn’t win. They will NOT win. I’m sorry they got you to this point, Corey. You have far to many people supporting you. All they have done is learned how to play the Facebook system. There really is not much pride in that.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      You spelt “karma” wrong – Didn’t you learn anything from Billcie – it is Carma.

  • Melinda Potter

    “Was it a false accusation?” Not at all. Pretty cut and dry run of the mill stuff. A simple problem that could have been so easily, quietly, and painlessly remodied with a little humility, decency, and respect.
    I have no idea why these people chose to fight so very hard and make such a huge mess for themselves, when they have no reason or standing to do so. It makes no sense at all to me. They are very ugly people

  • C Sab

    Their cowardice knows no bounds. Well now they have no way of silencing you cause they can’t do shit here and they don’t have the guts to even come here. Besides, the rest of us are still on Facebook and they can’t get all of us. They’ve achieved nothing. We still win.

  • C Sab

    I wasn’t gonna share anything about them anymore but now I’m gonna do it more than ever. They lost this conflict the instant they thought they could fight back. They’re just two useless narcissistic cyberbullies that rely on inheritances to fund their pointless life of doing nothing but attacking anyone who speaks the truth about them. Well they can’t beat us no matter what they try. Tens of thousands of people already know the truth about them and every day more and more people learn the truth as well.

    You hear that Bill and Stacie? You can’t win. Lol we won this a long time ago. 😀 None of your threats, attacks, or lies are fooling anyone.

    • Helena

      Yeah I’ve been asked about this by about 2 dozen people in the last week.

      • C Sab

        And each of those people can talk to numerous others and the word about these two cowards continues to spread.

      • You can’t fix stupid

        Funny you say that, I have had friends in the past few weeks also asking about this and sharing info. All over Twitter, Facebook, Ello, Tsu , G+. They can’t stop it, they are running scared. Their only little “haven” is their FB page. Oh such a big threat.

  • C Sab

    They’re just narcissists that have no life other than attacking people they think deserve it which is everyone that doesn’t believe their delusions of being famous, important and amazing people.

  • I understand everyone handles situations like this diffrently but to me its like they “Billcie” just got a win and now he will bank on it to do even more.

    • C Sab

      They didn’t get a win. The word on them is already out, and getting the page down isn’t going to change that. They’ve accomplished nothing. 😛 They can think they have and they can think that they have a chance of doing more and eventually succeeding at whatever their goal is but we know the truth. They can’t stop the Internet.

      • Maybe

        Sent from a iPhone, please excuse the brevity and typos.

        • C Sab

          Trust me. They weren’t even going to be mentioned on that page anymore anyway so they haven’t stopped the flow of truth about them at all. And with no presence on Facebook they can’t use its broken report system against the site anymore.

    • Photo Stealers

      At least the Facebook Page went down on MY terms this time, not theirs. While it’s still a “win” in their eyes, it’s also one in mine.

      • You have a good point there..

        Sent from a iPhone, please excuse the brevity and typos.

      • Celine (peaceetc)

        Absolutely. And it ain’t over yet.

        • Melinda Potter

          I haven’t sang hahaha couldn’t resist

      • Helena

        Yep, because it drives the conversation back here, where they can’t sensor dissenting voices or get us banned.

      • Just a Girl

        Yep! Cause here they have NO control! ALL of the conversation is on your terms. Bet they weren’t counting on that! Its actually kind of funny that all they are interested in doing is taking screen shots and lashing out through them. Cowards!

        • C Sab

          And they only do it on their pages where they can delete people’s comments when they point out the huge holes in their “logic.” Doesn’t get any more cowardly than those two.

  • Jeremy Cove

    We are still here for you! Hugs!

    • Photo Stealers

      Thank you!

  • Photo Stealers

    Oh and no, there was no false accusations. Bill claims there was because I stated that Stacie also ran Lollicakes (a cake pop business they ran together), which they did. I never said Lollicakes had stolen images – I honestly hadn’t even looked into it since I only list photographers and companies directly selling to photographers. However, he keeps pressing on about how I said Lollicakes stole images, which I never did.

    • Well, this link notes Stacie as “the owner” http://issuu.com/jespublishing/docs/brm1213flipbook/64
      YOU never said it, but other users here found at least one image that wasn’t theirs on the lollicakes website. So yeah, they stole. Simple.

      • Just a Girl

        Bill seems to think that because he didn’t put the stolen image up on the Lollicakes page that he’s not responsible for it. As a business owner that’s not true. Your employees are representative of you, as an owner.

        • C Sab

          Funny how he says that and yet Stacie claims I’m responsible if someone makes a false account with my name on it just cause it’s my name. Lol

          Actually I’m convinced it was them all along that made that false email account in my name. Sounds like something they would do.

      • Justin Case

        which leads to the obvious question: why, when Stacie Klein was all over the internet as the OWNER and person who came up with the idea for Lollicakes “in a dream” NOT legally licensed as the owner of the business? Why was Bill Scott claiming that the SJK (Stacie’s initials) Photography business was his, but HE never stole any images?

        So, why all the deception and confusion? You muddy the water and then blame others for not being able to see the bottom…

        • Helena

          Why was Picture This by Stacie Klein registered and not SJK Photography?

    • Phoxy_Photog

      For quite awhile, Stacie kept posting that she and Bill weren’t associated with any businesses. Then several posts down the line, she wrote about “their businesses.” I mean, if you’re gonna lie, at least try to make it convincing.

  • Photo Stealers

    Updated with a few more screen captures.

  • Funny thing is, they’ll NEVER EVER be able to outrun the fact their names are forever tarnished online. NONE OF THIS IS GOING AWAY Billcie.. 10 years from now, when you do a search on Bill Scott or Stacie Klein, this will ALL be there. Have fun with that.

    • C Sab

      Yup. We don’t have to do anything else ever again. They’ve already been destroyed.

      • keca

        Deservedly so, no question!

    • Phoxy_Photog

      They’ll legally change their names.

  • Justin Case

    Seriously? Have you been paying any attention to this at all?

    If that is an honest question, go back and read the original post. There were NO false accusations. Everything was listed with proof. The fact that anyone even questions this after all the lies, abuse, bullying and deceit is why this hasn’t gone away.

  • Just a Girl

    You really need to go back and read the original post before commenting. But since you probably won’t; let me recap a few things. Moving on doesn’t stop them. In fact it seems to annoy the fuck out of them so they ramp up the stupidity. There was no false accusation. And to even insinuate that there might have been is an insult to the person who has felt the brunt of their harassment.

  • Jim Martin

    I totally understand the value with Photo Stealers having a Facebook page and I am sorry this happened, but seriously f— Facebook. I walked away from it years ago. I don’t need some brat billionaire who has made it clear on numerous occasions that he has no respect for privacy “facilitating” my communication with friends and family.

    One day I might bite the bullet and start a facebook page for my photography, but I’ll be damned if I share anything personal through Facebook.

    This whole unpleasantness with Facebook just illustrates once again how much support Corey and Photo Stealers have, and that Billice can count their friends and supporters on one finger.

    Hang in there 🙂

  • C Sab

    Guys, calm down. Lol They were just asking. I’m sure they’re not saying that Bill and Stacie are innocent.

  • I’m appalled that all of this has gone on. In fact I’m taking the bull by the horns and writing a blog post on my own site. I’m in the middle of said post, and it won’t be full of screen grabs. It’ll be my own words though

  • Photo Stealers

    I also want to note that this is just the stuff I have been going through on a personal level. There are numerous people whom have been receiving the same treatment since the post, if not worse.

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      It’s a group thing, PS, but you still take the brunt of the responsibility, whether it’s deserved or not. We stand by you. That’s all, end of story.

  • Bob23325

    Unfortunately, you had to do the wrong thing for the right reasons. It’s just a FB page… your PS blog is alive. I have had so many people tell me I need a FB business page and I won’t have any part of it. My FB page is to keep in touch and share with friends and industry peeps. Someone tried to start one for me and I won’t have any part of it. I do not find FB an effective advertising tool. Why does some troll in FL need to know about my limo service here in VA. Sharing my business in a public forum with any random f*ck on FB is nothing but trouble. I don’t want my personal stuff out there for any trolls like them to see. Your reputation is impeccable. The legacy they have carved out for themselves will never go away. You done good!

    • C Sab

      I used to have a page on FB just for fun a while back but Facebook is becoming worse for photographers as time goes on.

  • Helena

    I hope you reported the calls to the police.

    • Yes I did. I was told to just keep a log of anything that further happens.

      • Grace Findsme

        That’s funny, because when I got into it with them, they accused me of calling their businesses and hanging up.

  • Melinda Potter

    There are numerous fauxtography outting facebook pages like the one Ha is trying to mock or pretend to be. I’ve never started a page like that, but I have participated enough in the past to know that the drive/reason behind their creation is to try to put an end to all the misrepresentation and dishonesty going on in the profession. Misrepresentation of skills, and misrepresentation of profit or lack their of etc. So many under the table photography “businesses”, so many uninsured, so many that have just picked up a camera and started charging the public for professional services that they have yet to learn how to provide. I even know of one page that features only those who have ripped off military families, (unfortunately it didn’t get very far because people became too scared of the retaliation from the outted fauxs). There are blogs and sites dedicated to teaching the public the difference between fauxtographers and photographers. Yes, things can get a little heated on those pages, especially when it concerns the business side of photography, but those who are open to learning, even after being listed on a site such as these… Well, I haven’t met a photographer yet, that isn’t willing to help, and they will continue to help as long as their help is actually received. Yes, even those nasty mean photographers that participate on fauxtography pages.
    One thing ALL these pages have in common, regardless of how they chose to criticize, or who participates, or wether they get their submissions from disgruntled fauxtography customers, fellow photographers, or even if they go out and search for them themselves. Regardless if they take a stand against railroad track pictures, babies hanging from tree limbs or shoved in glass containers, American flags used as props, or whatever crazy ass thing you can come up with. Wether you agree with the sentiment behind the pages or take a strong stand against them. One thing you can most certainly count on…
    They will NOT tolerate photo thievery. Zero tolerance for it, and every single one of them will take a strong, rightful, and unwavering stand against it. Not do like this page an do everything in their power to protect those who are guilty.
    Find a forum, any photography forum for any type of photography topics out there, ask them how they feel about so called “photographers” that infringe. Guarantee it would be a unanimous ZERO tolerance for it (along with a lot of colorful choice words…eh hem)
    Ask a photographer on the street and prepare for the “What the hell?!” reaction.
    Photographers may disagree on many many MANY different things. Want to find an argument? Look no further than a photography topic on RAW vs JPEG or full frame vs. cropped, or hahahaha just about any topic in any photography forum. But, photographers won’t disagree on this one.
    This is how we KNOW there are no photographers behind the Ha page.
    The photo stealers blog may have some haters out there, but only because they’re dishonest, fraudulent thieves of creative content that want to carry on with their deceit. Or because they aren’t a creative, just a normal person (HA!) and were only fed part of the story, and haven’t taken the time to read and learn for themselves what it means when a person calls themselves a photographer and takes the hard work from other creatives to promote themselves.
    Ignorant, or deceitful people wage a war with the photo stealers blog, take your pick

  • Kat Forsyth

    I am so fucking depressed by this. Can we all just give a massive group hug to Corey for having to deal with this vile, horrible shit? There aren’t even words for how shitty this is.

    • Photo Stealers

      Awww thanks Kat!

    • Photo Stealers

      I’m certain this is a coincidence. /sarcasm

      • Just a Girl

        AWESOME picture. They look like Statues!

        • Kat Forsyth

          Thanks! Photography Farm gave it their picture of the week, too, so I was pretty pleased.

      • Kat Forsyth

        Oh my gosh! One comment on here and they’re into my photos now? Honestly.

        • Helena

          I noticed this this morning. For critique because it’s better than 100% of “her” photos. Love the Roman baths. Ace picture!

        • Phoxy_Photog

          Oh yeah, they’re watching everything. I don’t think they have jobs… not sure, but they sure have a lot of time to do all this.

  • Photo Stealers

    I wouldn’t feel right doing that. However, click an ad on your way out and that doesn’t cost you a dime and I can put it towards the fund 🙂

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      Or, you know, we could just send some money via the donate button up above. For whatever… like vodka.

  • hey everyone, I published my post yesterday before I went to bed. It’s a very condensed version but hey it’s out there now, with links back here, and to Bullshizer’s blog :0) Copyright Theft http://t.co/pCn7jOY0CY

    Also, as the morale here has dropped a little, here’s a picture of my cat, seeing as cat pictures are rumoured to make EVERYTHING better ;0)

    • Baseball7311

      Well written

    • Justin Case

      Nice job. And nice cat.

    • Just a Girl

      Be careful, Stacie just may steal this picture for her Cat Tails page.
      (By the way, cute cat!)

      • oooh Cat Tails? Might have to go look at that…. ;0)

    • Goodfella

      Great photo. Your cat is sooooo cute!

      • thank you :0) she’s gorgeous, but I’m biased….

  • OtterMatt

    Honestly, I think you need to make this more of a team effort. I know you do this as a labor of love (so to speak), but it’s hard to insulate yourself from the negativity when it’s just you against the world.

    • Photo Stealers

      But the flip side is if I involve others, more will be hurt than just me because of my labor of love. That’s not fair.

      • C Sab

        Pft, I’ll take that responsibility. Takes far more than these two clowns are capable of to make me upset lol

      • OtterMatt

        Fair has little to nothing to do with it if it’s their choice to join up. And you can always add or rotate co-posters through as they get worn down or need a break. By making a larger group, you’re helping to diffuse this kind of negativity, not refocusing it. Hell, just having a group of people on skype you can rant and vent to helps.

        I love what you do, and it’s good work, but don’t make yourself into a pariah just because you feel like you have to shoulder all of the burden yourself at all times. That’s not a mentally healthy attitude. I’d prefer to see you doing this for a long time, not burning out in a massive, traumatic emotional breakdown.

  • Corey, thank you for all you do. It breaks my heart to hear that this brought you to tears.

    I’ve never met you, but you have my respect. I’ve never done business with you, but I would trust you. I’m sure that if we were neighbors, we would be friends. I am just one of many, who must feel the same way.

    How many people can say that about Billcie?

    • Photo Stealers

      Thank you!

  • V323

    Jesus, I have no words. That’s so middle school girl, terrible upbringing, horrible future human antics. Seems like stealing other people’s work and passing it off as her own was one of Stacie’s better qualities.

  • captain-confuzzled

    just when I think they can’t get any more delusional. (attachment)

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      Seriously? Do they not get how any of this works? Photo Stealers got nothing out of that. The only people who were paid were the ones who were legally due payment for their work being used without permission. It is the law. That’s not extortion.

      None of that was faked, it was all real. The company in question admitted their error and they dealt it. End of story. Unless Dealing the Drama has proof to back up their claims, they are engaging in the very thing they accuse us doing — libel.

    • Helena

      Yes, I hope they did pay the people THEY STOLE FROM. Not for silence, but as restitution for using their work without permission. Holy crap. It is not bribery, extortion or anything else illegal to hope that the people who have been wronged get financially reimbursed.

      Maybe if Billcie had STFU and reimbursed the artists for the illegal use of their work, this would have been over 3 months ago.

      3 months of complete face Palm. Every time I think they’ve sunk to new depths of hypocrisy, they prove me wrong. Jesus wept.

      • Photo Stealers

        Exactly, they didn’t pay ME but I certainly hope they did the right thing and paid the photographers for commercial use of their images. There’s nothing wrong with that and it’s what should be done when this happens, especially when a company is selling a product with those images.

        • Why do we bother. This all goes right over their heads. I’m so tired of even trying to use basic logic. My 4 year old gets things like “this therefore that” arguments better than these two. Really.

          • Jim Martin

            I agree. There is no point in trying to “explain” anything to these two. They are predatory psychopaths and have no problem with their behavior.

            All their “friends”, like Stacie’s first lawyer, got tossed under the bus, and you don’t see any indication that Bill or Stacie feel any remorse for their humiliated “friends”.

            Sadly, the world is chock full of people like Bill and Stacey. The problem is that people who still retain most of their humanity have a really tough time dealing with creatures like Billcie. Bill and Stacey have obviously learned that when you get caught, you attack as aggressively as you can until your accusers and victims give up.

            As much as I understand the temptation to shut this whole thing down and walk away, I hope that doesn’t happen. Good people can prevail when they stick together and support each other.

          • Helena

            Mine too Al. I’d be so disappointed if my kids end up like these two. It would break my heart.

    • Just a Girl

      The only thing that was wrong with how that scenario played out was the company named used photos they didn’t have permission to use. They did the ethical and right thing with those photographers once the issue was exposed. Stacie would not know the first thing about “right” OR “ethical” because it doesn’t exist in her little bubble.

    • Photo Stealers

      I’m certain Ross will gladly back me up here when I say they never paid or donated a dime. The post was taken down because they owned what happened and made things right with those stolen from. The photographers agreed to allow the post to go down when Flothemes requested it. As always, I check in with the photographers when that request is made and they were all agreeable.

    • Melinda Potter

      *bang head*. No, for real Stacie, if you had handled this in a serious, professional, and caring manor by communicating honestly, making amends with the photographers you stole from, obeying all take down notices promptly, and promptly paying any comercail use invoices that were given to you from the photographers you stole from, it would have been resolved so easily and quickly. Yes, a sincere public apology to your clients, friends and family that you duped would be wonderful, but it’s not expected, and rarely ever happens. Again, your infringment and unethical business practices were nothing special or somehow original to only yourself. Your infringment, and/or your listing here at Photostealers is NOT what made your story go viral. It was ONLY your actions after getting caught red headed attempting to deceive the public, that made the growing, continuing mess you find yourself submerged in right now. Instead of even attempting to make things right, you instead choose to add more people to the list that find you to be despicable.
      Have you ever taken responsibility for your own actions ever?!
      I’m dumbfounded by your self destructive ego, your stupidity, and lack of common decency and moral fiber. Just dumbfounded

      • Celine (peaceetc)

        It seems Bill and Stacie don’t understand the irony of their actions. The very things they accuse us of doing, they have done themselves, only much worse. This could have all been avoided if Stacie had only owned her actions, admitted that she stole, dealt with those from whom she stole, and moved on.

        But no. She couldn’t do that, and Bill couldn’t handle anyone even mentioning Lollicakes. It seems like they are utterly convinced the whole world is wrong and they are the only ones who are right. Real life doesn’t work that way, though, and their existence must be sad and lonely. In the end, they have to live with themselves. In the end, their designer labels will mean nothing. People won’t remember his shirts and her shoes. If they are remembered, it will be for their actions — how they treated others, what kind of people they were, the impact they have made, good or bad. And for that, they are solely responsible.

      • Phoxy_Photog

        I read some of the screenshots from earlier interactions of Stacie on other pages (a news page for one, and Delilah’s page regarding some Christmas tree contest thing) and these people were already delusional nuts before PhotoStealers ever found them.

        It’s like prisons. They call them “correctional institutions” as in they are supposed to somehow correct poor behavior. Sure, some of the people who do time actually do “see the light” per say and decide to become good, productive citizens and leave their past behind. Others just get out and commit a bunch more crimes and end up back in prison. So much for the “corrections.”

        There’s just no hope for some people in regards to changing their bad behavior.

    • LoLTonelica

      I am super confused as to why they decided to go through my disqus history specifically. Grasping at straws, I suppose.

      The context for this would be incredibly confusing to the regular-Joe. Yet they claim they have no agenda.
      Sure sure. We believe that.

  • Just a Girl

    I posted ALL of the links to my Facebook page. My friends like to share far and wide! 🙂

  • Georganne Hurt-Hampton

    Dang girl. Hate to hear that. Billcie will get theirs, one way or another. I see a divorce in their future, that is, if they are actually married. Because no two evil, narcissists can stand to be second fiddle to each other for very long.

    • Photo Stealers

      They are not married.

      • C Sab

        Probably never will be. They seem to think being trolls on the Internet is more important so I doubt they’ll ever find the time to plan a wedding.

        • Kimo

          Marriage implies equality. Neither partner in a real marriage, or relationship, can be truly superior. Given her intent to lord her desires over him, and his penchant for misogyny and racism, a marriage is the last thing either one wants. She would have to admit he’s her equal, when he’s dumb as a soda cracker, and he would have to admit a woman is his equal.

          Either way, they both lose, as then the lackey would be equal to the boss.

          • C Sab

            Plus I’ve been suspecting for a while that there are a few other reasons but I won’t say them here as this place is only for facts, and I don’t wanna spread rumours. Yes, I’m too nice a person.

          • Kimo

            I have my suspicions as well. For some reason, “living in sin,” as the phrase goes, is more attractive than any actual commitment to them. More proof that they are likely to bail on each other when the going gets tough.

        • perhaps they’re just waiting for 2 people that look similar to get married and post their photos so that they can…. actually, that’s probably a low blow….

          • Kimo

            I suspect it’s far simpler than most theories. They juts don’t want to give up whatever they perceive to be their edge. Equality’s for the losers who want to move up. Equality’s not for those who don’t want to move down by moving someone else up.

            Since each thinks they’re better than the other, neither wants to elevate the other at the expense of their superiority. Plus, not being married allows for expedient dime dropping and cutting any drag when they want out.

  • Melinda Potter

    Oh God! Now they are comparing a photographer collecting money for the use of their photographs to extortion!
    Look buttheads!
    I make some of my photos available to license for a measly $250. You bet your bippy if I saw one of my photos being used comercaily without paying for license, the user would get a damn invoice for $250! And a take down notice.
    If I wasn’t paid, or of I was ignored or insulted in an attempt to intemidate…
    I’m going to use socail media to get the word out about this unethical business!! And I wouldn’t stop until it was resolved.
    That’s NOT extortion!

    • Melinda Potter

      Screen shot for those who have no idea why I just lost it *blush*

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      It may sound weird, but your post made me smile. “Look buttheads!” I love that.

      And you’re right, it’s not extortion. It’s giving the photographers their due, which is allowable under the law. Bill and Stacie have no idea what they’re talking about.

      • Paul G.

        So by their logic, should we call it extortion that they don’t give their lolliwhatever candy away for free?

    • Photo Stealers

      …and none of those photographers made a donation to me once the issue was resolved that I’m aware of (often people’s paypal addy isn’t what their business name is etc). If they received compensation that’s between them and Flothemes, not me. I honestly have no idea if they did or not.

      • Melinda Potter

        it’s a ridiculous accusation PERIOD

    • Sleepy

      I know some retail store owners that have not pressed charges on shoplifters if the goods are paid for. Does that equal extortion too?

  • Photo Stealers

    FWIW the only photographer that has been outed that has made any donation to Photo Stealers is Chris Jones. As you can see, his page is still up despite the donation ($30).

    • C Sab

      These two make CJ look like a saint.

      • Kimo

        They make Obama, Dahmer, and Nixon look like saints, too.

        • C Sab

          They make Kim Kong Un seem misunderstood. Lol

          • Kimo

            They even make him seem smart.

          • heh 😉 and just so ya know, I’m not one of those that thinks words are hard work, I just use memes “ironically” :0p

          • C Sab

            Lol No you’ve already proven yourself to be intelligent enough to handle words quite well. 😛

  • Melinda Potter

    hahaha all kinds of complicated and garbled conspiracies go through their heads and out their mouths and on to the keyboard. It couldn’t possibly be as simple as people expecting her to take the photos down that she stole and making amends with whom she stole from, instead of surprising everyone by going ballistic attacking her accusers and the people she stole from. No way it could be that simple. Holy crap these people are thick! What’s funny is if Corey was an extortionist, they would be the very first to pay her off. I think they are angry because she didn’t ask them for money. That would have been so much easier than being decent human beings for a moment. It might be the way they get out of all sorts of predicaments they might get into. I’m surprised they didn’t try to bribe her lmao

    • Photo Stealers

      This isn’t the first time they’ve claimed this. Won’t be the last.

    • Just a Girl

      Hahaha do NOT accuse them of being thick! Stacie thinks you are talking about her weight! SERIOUSLY!

      • C Sab

        Lol I can confirm this. Shows how insecure she is.

      • Melinda Potter

        Ooops! Or should I say upps!
        Nah, I don’t care what they look like. Disclaimer: My statement above was not a dig on your weight or physical appearance. I was speaking of your intelligence.

        Lol in her defense though. One time a stealer online and her friends were making pokes about my weight, and I didn’t even catch on to it. I thought they were accusing me of being big headed, full of myself, or thinking I was some sort of big shot. Bwahhhaaaahahaha That’s what I get for thinking I was talking to people of average intelligence.
        It was a real “duh” moment for me. So embarrassing that I didn’t get it. Back then I used my nick name Minnie for all my online accounts, so I think you can imagine how it all went down. lol Hey, I’m new to this whole arguing with stupid people thing

      • well… LOL

  • Tessa Ecker

    i support you PS….. just left a lovely comment on their petition page telling them why! Dont let them get to you! thank you from one artist/photographer to another! https://www.change.org/p/stop-stealing-photos-photo-stealers-remove-this-site-s/u/9620001

    • Bob23325

      You will probably wake up to a FB Log-In to let you know they have removed your post….

  • Bob23325

    Holy crap on a cake pop! Extortion? How did their feeble little minds twist someone using an image without permission and compensating them for their “error” as extortion? This is extortion….

    • C Sab

      Funny they make that claim after they threatened to spam my employer’s twitter account if they didn’t deal with me when I started spreading the word on them. Lol

    • captain-confuzzled

      the whole earlier conversation has been deleted on the ‘Drama’ site, but a screen shot of this is now shown with another taunt. sigh. I admit, its a train wreck I just can’t turn away from, which I suppose suits them fine. Negative attention being better than no attention for these types I suppose.

      • Not on my own comuter

        And as usual Bill keeps on saying that there weren’t any stolen images on Lollicakes. Bill , if you download and image and re-upload it, that is theft. That image was not a share. I don’t think that you did it. I am sure it was Stacie but since you keep on claiming Lollicakes as your own, you are responsible for it.

        • captain-confuzzled

          that whole Lollicakes image thing just frosts me, how can he keep saying it was not stolen, tonight, saying it was a ‘share’ while we have screen shots that show it was uploaded and that the original photographer posted on the picture that it was used without permission. (attachments for proof YET AGAIN!)

          • Kimo

            The only reality for them is the one they demand we recognize. Our cognizance of their reality as the only reality is something they crave, as it validates their very existence. Anything less means they’re not real, they make no impact, and they’re just bags of lifeless flesh moved by the prevailing social winds.

          • Bob23325

            I had forgotten about the watermark being cropped out… what a lying POS.

          • keca

            The ability to screen shot is the best thing since sliced bread!! The level of denial is absolutely fascinating to me with Bill Scott of Lollicakes and Stacie Klein, a wannabe photographer of Delray Beach, FL.

          • Kimo

            She doesn’t even wannabe a photographer. She wants to get paid for taking snapshots of people. Snapshots that a slug could take, but because she took them, she should get paid.

            Again, she doesn’t want to provide value, only wants to steal your deserved feelings of success.

          • Melinda Potter

            Her product photography was pretty good (or what I believe to be hers anyway). They were/are at least food blogger worthy anyway. I think she cared more for it than she cares for people and it’s just somthing you can’t hide when it comes to a visual art.
            I kind of get that. I can take pretty good pictures of my kids, my dogs and my family and friends, but beyond that… I struggle with it. A portrait and/or event photographer I am not. I don’t have the drive/desire to get to know people intimately enough to photograph them well, or the talent for it. I don’t think most people do. It’s a special talent for sure

          • Kimo

            I came along too late to see any of her work. (Really hers!)

            My comments are based on the little stuff shared here and on their pages. Not one of them deserved any credit, they were, at best, low quality snaps.

            Even if her product work was good, and the rest so-so, the stealing shows a desire to mooch good feelings from the real creators. She never acknowledge her inability, never admitted wrong, and attacked anyone who tried to help her move on from this event.

            You work hard to make your photos good, and attempt to achieve better with each outing. You recognize what you think are faults, and try to grow in doing what you enjoy. I haven’t seen your work, but I would imagine every photo of your family is better than the last, and you don’t put yourself out there as better than that.

            You earn respect, while she tries to demand it. Failing in her demands for respect, she tries to steal it from those who’ve earned it, so no one can have it if she can’t. Your achievements and maturity far exceed anything decent she will ever achieve.

          • Melinda Potter

            I just want to give credit where credit is due. Yes, she obviously has troubles with human connections, and is socailly somewhat retarded (and no, I don’t mean this in a derogatory way. I just don’t know any other way to describe someone that steals baby pictures and delivers them to a client, and thinks it will end well. Not to mention all the other pictures she pretended to make, and everything else that has transpired since). But, you could see the care taken and potential in her product photography. Only one stolen photo (and I took time looking for more) on her cake pop page. She put effort into that page/business, and I’m sure it was frustrating for her to not have overnight success with it, and that’s why she thought “Ugh! I’ll do portrait work too. There’s more money, instant gratification and accolades in it.”. No, there shouldn’t have been even one stolen picture, but…
            I don’t know, I’m just a firm believer that there is good in everyone. She has a seed to plant. It’s there, I see it. A lot of effort, care, and patience on her part, and it will grow.
            Her portrait work looked careless, and fraudulent, and it was, as we all know. I get this. Like I explained, I’m an introvert that struggles with that connection with people as well. While I would never try to deceive and hurt people as she has done, and I feel I think completely differently than she does about success vs. monetary success, among many other things…
            I want her to have her seed.
            In fact I would love to see, after everything is said and done… I would love to see Stacie have real legitimate success. Something that she can proudly say is all her doing. There’s no better feeling in the world. Maybe then she wouldn’t feel so little towards people and so little of herself.

          • keca

            If she was a decent human being, I would agree. There are many theives on PS for whom I’ve felt this sentiment, one of understanding and forgiveness. Some of them have shown they are good people underneath it all.

            This piece of shit, however, is not one. She is truly just a nasty, ugly person, completely self centered and has nothing of any value to contribute to society. Add her racist boyfriend into the mix, and her support of his abhorrent, racist demeanor, and I’m glad she’ll be nothing but miserable for the rest of her pathetic life.

          • Melinda Potter

            *plugging ears, and singing nahnahnahNAH*. Everyone deserves a freakin seed!! Yes, she’ll probably stomp on it, and squish it to smithereens, but damn it! It’s her seed to do what she wishes to it 😉

          • Kimo

            She already dried her seed out and fed it to the pigs. That was long before us. At her age, she should know better, she was most likely raised well and taught from the beginning to do right. She just happens to be one those burdens on the moral fabric of society that are incredibly incapable of doing right. They know right, they think about right, they just set out to destroy it from the get-go.

            It is extremely sad to think that. I wish she would have that “hit by reality” moment, you know like in the cartoons where everything just clicks. I wish she would then enlighten her “life-partner,” as his misogynistic, racist, inadequately humanized carcass needs it almost as much as she does. Unfortunately, she looks down at him and won’t take any other type of help from him than she commands, and he looks down at her and sees “only a woman.” It really is a vicious, hate-filled, empty, lonely, and cold existence for both.

          • Melinda Potter

            It is extremely sad. I don’t like it. I don’t like thinking that way. I really wish they would stop, and just move on to the next victim. At least then they would be away from my tiny corner of the Internet

          • Kimo

            I think so, too. I only hope they find no more victims.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            I don’t want there to be more victims. I want them to stop doing it completely. They could choose to change, but I think it’s pretty obvious that isn’t going to happen. I think it’s going to take legal means to get them to do anything differently.

          • Kimo

            Apart form seeing her work, I understand how you feel. I followed this page for a long time. It was this couple who induced me to sign up for FB and Disqus to comment.

            I had hoped that they would be able to move on. To grow up. To live a better life. All those things that make us human, that show we’re created in the Lord’s image.

            My hopes were dashed by their behavior. I understand what you say about her not feeling the quick success. Most of us crave having our creations admired, or liked, and credited for the attempt. She knowingly CHOSE to steal that feeling from others. She CHOSE to dry her seed out and feed it to the pigs.

            Having legitimate success requires the ability to feel merit, esteem, and pride. All those things require a catalyst, an achievement or creation. She cannot esteem her partner, she can’t even esteem herself, neither one deserves any esteem, neither has earned any pride. It is truly sad to see, as I believe that everyone should be able to achieve, and free to accomplish something that deserves our praise. Every time, though, we seem to make some ground or they quiet down, they just throw our faith in humanity into the mud, then sling it at us.

            Any seed she has remaining is for a weed to choke out the humanity of everyone who tries to help her.

          • Melinda Potter

            I’m glad that you signed up. I’ve enjoyed your commentary very much. I think I need to concentrate on all the good people this listing has attracted. The circumstances suck, but seeing everyone come together and get involved, is a bit beautiful

          • Kimo

            Thank you. I agree about the cool folks I’ve encountered. I’ve even discovered some GREAT photography out there, not the least of which is Corey’s.

          • I’m the same actually. The situation is seriously messed up, but what I saw was a group of people banding together to try and improve a business I very much want to get into. Following on from this blog I’ve discovered some great photographers and some truly inspirational photographs. It’s a community I’m glad to have signed up to :0)

          • Kimo

            It’s interesting to note, that I’ve discovered a couple through her Ha page. How’s that for her meme “KarmaSutra?”

          • Photo Stealers

            I’ve gained a 100+ likes due to their “Ha” page.

          • I’m not quite as cool, but I’ve gained a handful..!

          • Just a Girl

            This is how I felt about Lucy when she was listed here and everyone, including her, got beyond her games. She has EXCELLENT talent in her own right and her food blog is outstanding. I haven’t visited it in a long time so I have no idea whats there now but even so there are people you just really want to succeed. I will say that Lucy is an example of how prior photo theft will come back and bite you cause she did lose at least one opportunity because someone that wanted to to use her work actually did some research and blogged about it.

          • Photo Stealers

            Oh Lucie. She has great talent and I hope that her life has taken a more honest path.

            It makes me happy whenever people here are able to move on and do great things and learn from their mistakes.

          • Melinda Potter

            Lucie was what this blog is about. I hope she’s doing well. And yes, quite talented

          • Just a Girl

            Yeah THAT Lucie!

          • Photo Stealers

            Her cake pop product shots were decent, better than most food bloggers. Credit where credit is due. Her portrait work wasn’t terrible either – I’ve seen worse. It wasn’t up to the standards of the images she was showing from other photographers however, which is the problem when it comes to those listed here.

          • Melinda Potter

            Yes, not horrible… Just… Generic? Or just like any girl down the street that takes some time getting to know her camera could take? Not really much to base a business on, but not YANAP front page material either.
            My gosh! Why am I even discussing it? I just wish things would have went differently. Why couldn’t she have just done the decent thing from the beginning? Disappointing

          • Phoxy_Photog

            I agree. She had ads made where she mixed stolen images with a few that I assumed were her own. There was a definite difference in quality and style, but hers were just mediocre. Not YANAP material, but no creativity and somewhat snapshot-ish. Like she had a camera and got bookings and didn’t really care. Bookings of course on the shirttails of GOOD images she stole.

          • She should have stuck with what she loves, since (as they claim) they don’t need the money. Then WHY charge I wonder.. oh, because they’re full of shit . They know the end of their easy ride on inherited money is coming, and were hoping to set up some businesses… using short cuts.
            I like how Bill, last night, said Lollicakes is “temporarily” down. Yeah, I can only imagine the feeding frenzy if it every comes up again.

            People following this would be on that like racism on Bill!

          • Kimo

            “Do something you love, and you’ll never work again!” I paraphrase, of course.

          • Photo Stealers

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          • spending money you don’t have, to pay attorneys to take on cases you can’t win obviously has consequences :0

          • Photo Stealers

            This was posted in January – long before her post on Photo Stealers.

          • oh yeah, didn’t notice the date, now I feel stoopid…. “slams head on desk”

          • Melinda Potter

            Whelp… There you go

          • Yeah, he tried to pull that crap on me on his “Selling the Drama” FB page.. and then, of course, deleted the thread. Fucking coward. Fuckity fucking fuck fuck coward.

          • Kimo

            Worse than that, he is an utter and abject example of cowardice and intellectual slovenliness.

          • You didn’t use the word FUCK enough. Fail. 😉

          • Kimo

            Allow me to rectify that-

            Even Fucking worse than that Fucking crap, the Fucking Fucker is an utter Fucking and Fuckin abject example of Fucking cowardice and intellectual Fucking slovenliness.

            Fuck what the fuck fucking thinks.

            Is that a sufficient quantity?

          • Yep. Carry on.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            No, it’s CARRY ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get it right, Mr. Fuzzy Man.

          • ALP
      • Kimo

        They won’t stop until someone says “Oops, sorry we meant someone else. We’re wrong, and you’re right.” The fact that they can never be seen as other than the victim, to the point of knowingly destroying each other, is quite telling.

        Their gluttony is not for money, but for the praise that they know is undeserved and unearned. The believe that they should be praised for being, not doing.

        The 2 biggest moochers and looters on Earth!

    • Not on my own comuter

      Dear Bill and Stacie

      For once and all just top your shit. Stop with the harassing, stop with the reporting, stop with all this shit.
      Bill – The image on Lolicakes was not a share. It was an upload from a site. You (or Stacie) posted it on your site. The watermark was removed. It was only when the original artist was contacted that you gave credit. MONTHS after the photo was added. You keep on saying that Lollicakes is your business so you are responsible for it.
      Stacie – You had tons of stolen images on your page. You made up names and stories about the kids. What crazy sick mother-fucker does that? -Oh yes you.

      So stop with the treats and the emails. You have dug such a deep hole it will take a life time to get out of it. Google will always remember your names. For ever and a day if you search “Stacie Klein” or “Bill Scott – Florida” (There are a few Bill Scotts) you will always find this page, Bullshitzer’s blog and tons of other blogs (I saw 3 new blog posts about you yesterday) You are all over Tsu, Ello and Twitter, there are 2 new Reddit posts about you.

      Take a step back from the keyboard, go get some of that fresh Florida air, come back and with fresh eyes and see what a mess you have made.

      • JustHere

        I didn’t get a screen shot at the time, but there were other pictures on the Lollicakes page that she stole. One was of some Monopoly shaped candies (it was one of the earlier pictures) – she put her watermark on the picture that was created by the company that made the candies. Posting the picture would have been fine, but putting her watermark on the picture is stealing. I’m not a photographer and I understand that much.

  • Just a Girl

    I’m just minding my business and find this. I ROARED…… you just can’t make this up……
    http://www.brandnewgadgets.com/category/liars+fraud+stealers

    • Kimo

      Um, yeah, that would be quite disconcerting. Having your name associated with a page shilling a plug for the male meatus. Wow, just, WOW! Billcie will likely never seem less normal than right now!

    • Justin Case

      I’m not even gonna ASK how you ended up on that page, JAG.

      But I gotta ask: “20 USED and new from… ” Yuck. Just… yuck.

      • Just a Girl

        Honest to god, all I did was put bill scott stacie klein florida into Google. VERY basic. It was buried pretty deep in the search results. The only reason I kept looking was that same exact comment was popping up in weird places. (I even found it on a cancer forum. All in or around Delray Beach Florida.) Most of them were cached so I kept thinking there was more to the comment that wasn’t showing up. I dont think there is though cause it was pretty uniform.

        • Kimo

          I saw that exact same one come up on several forums and aggregators, but never the thing about a meatus plug. I can’t even begin to, nor would I want to, imagine how that could work.

          But it’s pretty funny that their name is associated with that forever!

          • PM me, I’ll explain.
            Kidding! 😉

    • Bob23325

      That is funny….

    • Whaaaaaaat? I think my brain just broke.

    • hmmm someone’s internet history just became interesting….. ;0)

      • Suz

        LOL! But, seriously, EWWW!

        • sorry lol couldn’t resist…. perhaps I need help?

          • Just a Girl

            LOL Perhaps!

          • hey, at least I admit it :0p

        • Kimo

          Notice it says “Master Series.” Is there a different model? Perhaps one with spikes? I agree 100% with your quote “EWWW!”

    • Kimo

      It would explain his anger!

  • BellaSooky

    I am going to miss seeing your posts on Facebook…

    Stay strong and keep your head up, those people are not worth your tears… a low life will always be a low life and will always put others down to make themselves happy. *hugs and kisses to you *

  • Bob23325

    Unreal… Going to have coffee on my deck that looks over the water. Take quite a few deep breaths… and call the toughest libel attorney in the area. Did I mention he has utilized my services? He’s going to enjoy reading that ROR, Yelp review, the e-mail where he admitted he posted them, and that Drama post. I don’t have to bring in anything else. GAME ON! CARRY ON!!!

  • Kat

    With any 3rd party platform, there are always going to be bullying, vandalizing because it’s not your piece of internet real estate. It’s FB’s real estate. But there is a beauty in leaving FB behind because those two lunatics can’t post here. Period. Because it’s YOUR piece of internet real estate. You can ban their sock puppet accounts, delete their comments and there’s not a darn thing they can do about. They can continue to run their little FB page in all caps and nobody is going to take them seriously. Heck, one of their postings resulted in me securing a 6K booking. I know it’s tough because the last three months of dealing with these lunatics probably feel like 3 years but the fact is this: they’re lousy photographers. They suck at what they do. They’re posers. Wannabes. Not a creative bone in either. Their names will be cached in the history of google forever as photo thieves. They stole, removed watermarks. “Stacie Klein” or “Bill Scott – Florida” or “Lollicakes – fraud” and “SJK Photography stole photos” will continue to pop up on google so enjoy. They still suck, they will continue to suck and every sane person knows it.

    • I saw this and I LOL’d

      “Heck, one of their postings resulted in me securing a 6K booking”

      Karma much?

  • prullenbak

    Oh my…
    This is beyond words.

  • MPR1776

    I think this would be a great idea, perhaps Bilcie might finally learn his lesson? http://petapixel.com/2015/04/13/photographer-files-1-million-defamation-suit-against-couple-after-album-cover-fracas/

  • Photo Stealers

    Update from the weekend:

    Bill emailed me. <> I opted not to reply but instead to forward the moderation notice I got when Stacie commented to a blog I run with her review that was posted to The Knot and Yelp. Stacie not only used her name and email address but the IP is theirs as well. <>

    • Photo Stealers

      “Selling the Drama” Facebook Page was created, presumably by Bill. <>

      This page is accusing me of extortion. <> The post in question was removed when the company made things right with the photographers involved, no money was exchanged between the company and myself nor the photographers involved and myself.

      • Melinda Potter

        This, and the extortion e mail he sent you should be put up on your post. I have a handful of interested readers that don’t want to dig through all the comments. Those need to be seen! Unbelievable!

    • Photo Stealers

      Sorry for the extra screencap in the middle!

    • V323

      I totally understand not responding, I wouldn’t either. So I’ll say here: the resolution STARTS with Stacie apologizing for stealing other people’s work and passing it off as her own. Period. Everything that descended since your original post, proving the thievery, it ALL goes back to square one. Stacie, apologize for stealing other people’s work and using it as your own.

      • Photo Stealers

        There was really no point in responding or complying. I can control what is posted here and to my own Facebook and Twitter accounts but everything outside of that is completely out of my control. So I’d never meet their demands since someone out there would still have something about them online and they’d continue their attacks since I hadn’t met their requirements to lay off.

        • V323

          Oh I know the ridiculousness of what they are demanding. I just find it interesting, the continued veiled threat if you don’t comply, yet no where in any of the false negotiations do they acknowledge not just their role in this, but their sole responsibility for ALL of it, Stacie stealing other people’s work.
          How ironic that they claim they can’t stop what other people have done (the accusation that it’s someone here, NOT them) yet think you have the power to control other people?

          • Photo Stealers

            They think I have that kind of power but sadly I fear I’m lacking in the god-like power to control people.

          • V323

            You just haven’t drank enough Vodka yet to get to Omnipotent status. 😉

          • Phoxy_Photog

            They think you’re paying all of us “minions” to say stuff. Lol. Damn Corey, where’s my check?

        • Melinda Potter

          Too large of an audience now Stacie and Bill saw to that. Even if you wanted to tell your army of minions what to do, the 3 of us would listen, but as for the rest of the Internet

          • Photo Stealers

            Even if I was as awesome and powerful as they claim, that’s only the audience of Photo Stealers. “Ha So You Think You’re a Photographer” has made enemies outside of the reach of this blog. I’ve been getting a lot of messages from photographers they’ve been insulting there and many had no idea I ran Photo Stealers or even what Photo Stealers IS – they just found me because of the images Ha has shared to the page and were messaging me to let me know who they think is behind it and what they are doing about it.

          • Paul G.

            I did find it funny they were asking you to remove a bunch of articles/posts that are completely out of your hands. Like, it sounds like in their mind you basically control everything on the internet that isn’t Bullshizher’s blog.

          • Kimo

            Even that it would seem.

    • Disgusting asshole jerks. You steal from people but do not want to be held accountable for it? Special place in hell for thieves.

    • Just a Girl

      Wow! Talk about having their heads buried in the sand.

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      He is essentially saying he will continue to do whatever he can to destroy you and the rest of us unless you agree to his terms. Yet he accuses you of engaging in extortion. How does that work, exactly?

      • C Sab

        I say bring it on. No-one listens to his crap anyway.

    • Danny Downes

      Bill wouldn’t recognise the truth even if it was delivered in an LV bag.

      • You win the internet today! Hahahaha

    • Melinda Potter

      Bill, your story went semi viral, not because of topus sock, devil’s advocate, not because of an email that was sent. Not because of all the things you say you didn’t do in this email. I will entertain this claim you’re makin.
      This blog is only read by thousands, and realistically only read by hundreds when things go as they usually do, and don’t get out of hand.
      Unfortunately, you and Stacie’s behavior minus all the things you say you havent done, and had no hand in, is what made it get read and talked about more widely. Your post got a much larger audience than intended. Non photography forums are talking. The Internet is talking. People that have absolutely no interest in copyright infringment whatsoever, and are only interested in your character that you and Stacie portrayed publicly are talking. When this happens, it can attract all sorts, some unfortunately, unsavory. Some who MAY have done what you claim just to mess with you/us. This really could have happened. But, it would have never had any success at all if Stacie had done the right thing, and you two behaved yourselves and acted appropriately from the beginning.
      Take a look at what you are doing currently. Is this not silly, crazy, horrible, malicious behavior? Youre still attacking innocent people. You’re still attacking and accusing Corey of extortion and vileness. You and Stacie are still denying any guilt. You are still picking on and attempting to intemidate people that know of your guilt and who are completely innocent of any wrong doing. The only thing they are guilty of is sharing your continuing story, in an attempt to stand up to you, and support this blog’s sole purpose. To expose fraudographers. One could only click on the very first sjk thumbnail, and read what is currently happening, and get the whole picture. All those minut details that you are disputing happened by your hand, they don’t even matter! Can’t you see that?! Why can’t you see that?!
      I’m sorry people are talking about you unkindly, but what exsactly do you expect? Then to keep carrying on attracting more and more people to your mess?? It’s only a matter of time before an even larger news source gets a hold of it. Then what?? You think it’s bad now?!

    • captain-confuzzled

      oh, now I see why they were so carefully looking up the definition of extortion, they were looking up ‘how to’ instructions! geez!

      • MPR1776

        That is exactly what I was thinking!

    • Photo Stealers

      <>

      • Danny Downes

        Army of soldiers. Bingo!

        • Kimo

          Yeah… aren’t all armies comprised of soldiers?

          • MPR1776

            No, some of our gov’t agencies think they are comprised of Zombies.

      • ALP

        And WAAAAAAY more people saw that post (which to me kind of reads like extortion) here than did on Facebook.

    • C Sab

      I’d say it’s about time for legal action. They’re basically attempting extortion and add that to the fact that they’re doing so to try and hide the fact that they stole from people they could be looking at some huge fines and some lovely jail time. Let’s see how long their big mouths and huge egos last them in there.

    • Jim Martin

      I feel like I got covered in three inches of slime just reading that. They are disgusting and contemptible beyond words. I hope Photo Stealers starts a legal fund to defend itself against these psychos.

    • Reads like extortion to me. What I get from that email is, “Take down your posts about us and we will stop harassing you.” He didn’t think that through very well. The fact that he felt compelled to send an email to you like that indicates that he is feeling the heat as a result of all the harassment he has heaped upon anyone who dared to support you, Corey.

      Look around. You are not alone.

      • Photo Stealers

        Not just mine – as you can see he wants me to remove any mention of them anywhere i.e. news sites (Peta Pixel) and the like.

  • Corey, I saw this on Facebook and thought you might be able to use it ;0)

  • Helena

    Just in case anyone has any doubts over who is in charge of Ha, so you think you’re a photographer… <>

    • Bob23325

      Were those all CAPS and a buttload of exclamation points? SMH

    • LoLTonelica

      I am guessing the owners and employees are breathing a sincere and heavy sigh of relief that they will never be back.

      • Helena

        No shit. LOL.

    • Marc W.

      It was Little Caesars.. what did they expect?!?!

      • DO NOT DEFAMATE LITTLE CEASARS! Living overseas, I really really miss it. Well kinda. Sorta. Maybe

        • Marc W.

          I used to eat it all the time as a kid. It was a family tradition, well that’s where we got quick carry out pizza (For Helena: Take away). If we wanted good stuff, we went almost anywhere else in Chicago.

          My point was, don’t expect much from them. Their crazy breads were usually hard.

    • Just a Girl

      Bill and his boyfriend went in there? Heh, who knew!

      • Helena

        LOL

        • Just a Girl

          It just shows how dumb they are. They can’t even post a Breadstick review under their own account.

          • Marc W.

            Are you saying someone else posted that? They seem to be saying that a lot.

          • captain-confuzzled

            yep, I can hear the conversations in that household..”I’ll be Bill, you be Stacie today”, “No it’s my turn to be Stacie”, “oh yeah I forgot”. “Wait who’s going to be Billcie?”

          • Just a Girl

            Hahahahaha!

    • Danny Downes

      It’s pretty obvious that the female wears the trousers in that household – she makes the male wear a shirt with the number 2 on his back. Check out the male’s twitter photo if you don’t believe me.

    • Cry me a river

  • See the most recent “selling the drama” post? 🙂

    • Helena

      Yep.

    • V323

      They started ANOTHER page? How many is that?

      • Marc W.

        Thirty twoteen.

        • V323

          How dare you speak libel and defamate math.

  • Guest

    I’m really not sure if Billcie’s actually, fully and finally lost it.

    • Guest

      That was supposed to be with an attachment.

      • Helena

        Attachment?

    • C Sab

      Pretty sure they never had it.

  • LoLTonelica

    I find it wildly humorous that the Selling the Drama page (which I can’t even find…) accused me of receiving a payoff to take down my review of those from the removed post. I took it down 100% willingly, my only incentive being that they did the right thing in owning the colossal fuck up and rectifying it with the photographers who were wronged.

    I actually LIKED their services, which is why it was such a shock and so frustrating for me to find out they had distributed stolen/unlicensed images. The fact that I had considered their services after hearing praise from locals, left me feeling upset with myself that I had been “duped”.
    They are starting to grasp at straws much more obviously than before.

    • C Sab

      Lol I love how they think that their posts actually affect people, like they think they’re actually a threat to anyone. They’re no better than every other troll making false claims they can’t prove just cause they can’t get over their little bitchfit.

    • LoLTonelica

      Thank you darlin’ 🙂

  • Defamate reminds me of defacate.

    • Bob23325

      In the Bilcie Dictionary it is now “defamacate”.

  • Please share my work. Every time you do I make another sale. So far you’ve given me $3000 in work.

    • Helena

      Yay! Excellent!

      • They can share away. I will worry when they show up on my door step. Until then, share away.

    • Helena

      Must admit, all I’ve had is complements on things they’ve shared. They’re sharing from my Flickr now.

      • LoLTonelica

        I love your flickr! Your squishies are SO cute!

        • Helena

          Thanks! 🙂

  • Justin Case

    Poor Stephanie. She must be terrified by the army of followers who have been supplying that Drama page ,,,

  • Lorne Chesal

    Oh the irony…

    #PotKettleBlack

    • That’s my photo I think she’s talking about. The print is perfectly sharp.

      • Lorne Chesal

        Are you questioning “her” critiquing skills? Or her eyesight? Both?

        : )

        • I’m questioning her life skills. She must have not been hugged enough.

          • Lorne Chesal

            Or she (assuming it’s a she…) grew up in a house of SHOUTERS!!!!!!!

          • Clearly she doesn’t have children. Too much hate in her heart.

          • BigAl

            Laura I’m afraid that my ex disproves that theory. They will have kids because they are a status symbol for some too. Nothing to do with love for the kids or anyone else. Needless to say it didn’t end well.

            Alan

      • ALP

        I’ve noticed that a lot of the photos that they claim are out of focus have Facebook compression issues (because Zuckerberg sucks) rather than just being out of focus. It’s not hard to tell the difference but then, they couldn’t harass people nearly as much.

      • captain-confuzzled

        yet again, proving her expertise in photography /sarcasm

  • Lorne Chesal

    Is “Selling the drama” down for anyone else? Early to bed tonight?

    • LoLTonelica

      It may have been suspended by Facebook. The reports must have been pouring in after the last few posts containing not-so-veiled threats.

      • Lorne Chesal

        #SmallVictory
        #ManyMilesToGo

    • Bob23325

      I just checked because I saw your query. It’s down. Even though he posted that threat I did not report it. The mental midgets think they have won something with their bullying people on FB…. I don’t even feel sorry for them.

      • Celine (peaceetc)

        I feel sorry for the people they could have been, and for what they’ve let themselves become. But their actions now are their own, and they are solely responsible.

        • Bob23325

          You women… such softies… LOL I’m sorry, but they have no concept of right and wrong and that did not develop overnight. They are “socially ignorant”. I believe it was best said by Ron White… “You can’t fix stupid.”

    • MPR1776

      For me, yes.

    • Lorne Chesal

      I wonder if they use an app for managing their nom-de-plumes or just a whiteboard?

      Gotta be challenging…

    • Photo Stealers

      Nope they’re very much online *waves*

      Probably unpublished it so they escape any reports that came in today.

      • Bob23325

        I just looked again and it’s listed. It wasn’t earlier when I looked for it. I clicked the link and my regular page showed up. Who knows what evil lurks in the mind of the Keyboard Coward…..

      • LoLTonelica

        It’s offline for me right now. Also, some photos were removed due to reports. Just got the notifications.

        • Celine (peaceetc)

          I hope that means Facebook pulled it.

  • Guest

    I’ve been going back and forth with a person at Facebook. They finally said they would investigate this morning.

    • Anastasia Beaverhausen

      Please keep us updated on this issue. I think Bill and Stacey need to be banned from All internet activity for their own sanity and the protection of everyone else.

    • Yes, please keep us informed.

    • C Sab

      I’ll believe it when they actually do something.

      • Agreed, they’ve been pretty douchey about the whole Billcie thing.

    • Guest

      Received this, this morning.

      • Not seeing anything.. maybe it’s me?

        • Guest

          Hum maybe it has to be mod approved because I’m signed in as guest. Basically says that one page is gone and they are looking at the other. If I see anymore to send them the url and they will look at it. Also says farther down outside of the screenshot that police should be informed, but everyone knows that already.

          • Nah, it’s good, I see it. 🙂

          • I think a permanent ban from Facebook would be appropriate.

          • Bob23325

            I think a permanent ban from the Internet is much more appropriate…. but I’ll settle for just a FB ban.

          • Justin Case

            you have to refresh sometimes to see attachments. Disqus glitch.

      • Justin Case

        this just says the page has been removed… it doesn’t say WHO removed it. we will have to wait to see if he brings it back.

        • Just a Girl

          Yeah, they sat on the Stop the Bullying page for a long time before they brought it back up. Lets hope its actually gone. Like every page they have made it was so hateful!

        • Photo Stealers

          I know in the past my notifications have said when a page has been removed vs when a page has been unpublished.

      • Photo Stealers

        can you pretty pretty please send me the email you’re using to chat with Facebook? I have some questions. photostealers1@gmail.com

    • Bob23325

      Please send me their name/contact! My 1st ban from FB was for sharing the Charge.org petition to Zuckerberg on FB about their lack of privacy features. How ironic… LOL

    • Maaike de Ronde

      That is TERRIFIC (I can use caps lock here eh?) !!

    • C Sab

      I’ll believe that when they actually do something.

  • JustHere

    I know this page and Corey have nothing to do with So, You think you are a photographer, but does anyone know why that page is down? Was it because of Bilcie somehow?

    • Not on my own comuter

      Yes and No. They were tired of Billcie attacking anybody who posted on that site. To save the members from attack they have unpublished it for a while

    • C Sab

      Ugh, really? We’re big boys and girls. We can handle it.

  • Honestly… with all of that… I would go to the police.

  • Helena

    Apparently everyone is supposed to shoot on f/22 or above. LOL.

    • so THAT’S where I’ve been going wrong….

    • Christopher C.

      “The only crisp object is the eyes.”

      Yeah. That’s called shooting a portrait correctly.

      • Helena

        Yeah that’s what I aim for. Never realised that was wrong. :p

  • “Selling the Drama” page is not up for me right now. Not sure if they blocked it for those outside the US. Or if they, as always, in order to hide, took it down for the night.

    • C Sab

      Funny how it only has 1 like and it’s named after a song. I mean can they not come up with an original name for their bitchpages? Lol

      • And funniest/worst of all, their “take it down overnight so people don’t comment” tactic is counter productive to their “we’re the voice of truth” stance… but it’s only the truth if it’s THEIR truth!

        • You can’t fix stupid

          But we know that they are not the sharpest tools in the the shed. They are as thick as 2 bricks.

    • Helena

      The only selling the drama page up at the moment is the auto generated one about the song.

    • Photo Stealers

      I think they did the usual unpublish before I get a warning/ban thing. It’ll probably be back in the afternoon.

      • But it does seem strange that “Ha..” page is up whilst the other isn’t. Or am I reading too much into.
        I forget at times, whilst dealing with Billcie, that I need to shut down most of my brain cells.

        • Photo Stealers

          Bill has always been the one to do the publish/unpublish thing. Stacie just leaves hers up.

  • Too funny… when in facebook, and I start typing “selling the…”.. one of the search recommendations it shows me is “selling the drama Corey”… the “Corey” bit is interesting because I’m sure it’s Billcie spamming the search engine trying to find whether or not Corey has mentioned or is mentioned in conjunction with that page.. funny. Because I certainly know I haven’t searched that so it’s not part of my history for sure.

  • Thank you Bill and Stacie for sharing my photos. You have not only connected me with some pretty awesome people, you’ve given me new clients, and new local photographers to hang out with. I appreciate your efforts.

    • I found your page through HA ;0) like so many others here. It’s done me a lot of good as I’ve gotten a lot more inspiration for my own aspirations to be a professional photographer some day.

      • Never give up. Even if you only do it for yourself, at least you will be happy doing it. I may not get many clients because of $50 with 100 images photographer but the work that I do get and the people that I do work with are amazing and wonderful and I try to give them my very best each time.

        • Thanks for the encouragement. I won’t give up, I’ve got the bug, big time. I just want to make sure I’m ready before I take that leap :0)

  • Maaike de Ronde

    After they decided to put my profile and that of Annemieke London on their page, saying I’m a fake account, I did report them. Everyone involved should report them.
    By the way, they clipped out the ‘UN’ above organized :p
    I’m still here, so is Annemieke and no warnings whatsoever 🙂

    • Maaike de Ronde

      Can anyone tell me how they would link my account to Annemieke’s ?? Just curious.

      • I would imagine they might think that mieke and Maaike look similar? That’s the only explanation I can offer. Mistaken identity and nothing more. Not that it’s an excuse of course!

        • Maaike de Ronde

          No, look at the https:// line. They are both the same.

          • I think they’ve copied your real profile URL and put it in with Annemieke’s photo. This is Annemieke’s URL https://www.facebook.com/AnnemiekeLondonDigitalArtStudio

          • Maaike de Ronde

            No, that’s my art page 😉 I’ll have to go now. As this is linked to my FB page, I’ll probably won’t be able to post.
            I’ll ask Annemieke (who is from my home town) to post here for me.

          • show’s how much I know ;0) best of luck

      • Maaike de Ronde

        Ah, my account on FB has been deleted. Never mind, I had been planning of deleting it for months now. It was created for another purpose anyway 🙂

      • Danny Downes

        Unfortunately they are not very bright. Also, they seem to have a gift for jumping to the wrong conclusion. All that spite and hate clouds their judgement.

  • Photo Stealers

    Yes, I contact the original photographers before making a listing. The problem is they stole from people out of the country which makes things a bit more difficult when it comes to lawsuits.

    Those in the country were looking into lawsuits though but I cannot say if they are currently suing or not as I’m not part of that conversation once I let them know about the theft.

    As far as lawsuits, these two already were part of one relating to this and it didn’t stop during that lawsuit (they lost) so I doubt they’d change in the future.

  • Annemieke London

    thank you John, for trying to help Maaike!

    • no problem at all, helpful is my middle name, which makes it awkward filling out passport applications…..

  • going off topic a little, but I thought some good news might lighten the mood a little…. I’ve been doing the odd bit of on location reporting for my local newspaper since last summer, and earlier this year I decided to take my camera along with me and take some photographs while I was there.

    After several submissions and some of my photos being published, I’ve been officially taken on as a photographer. I’ve got a few bits and pieces to report on over the coming months, but I have been handed a BIG assignment as the newspaper’s only on site photographer at our annual music festival in the summer. I’m feeling pretty good right about now :0D

    • Nice, don’t pull a Billcie and screw it up. 😉
      (I’m trying to start something!)

      • actually I did download an image from Flickr last week, remove the watermark in Photoshop and upload it to another site to enter a competition…. It was my own Flickr page though so I hope that’s ok? ;0)

        • Annemieke London

          🙂

        • BigAl

          Well if your are the copyright holder then no it fine. I would say a couple of things though.
          Firstly It would have been better to have made a copy from the original RAW file, you’d get much better quality that way. Even if you shot in camera JPEG you would be better using the original unedited file for creating your new copy. You do keep the original unedited files don’t you?

          Secondly I would never rely on any single online service as the sole repository of my image files. Even worse as the only copy of my images. You can never be sure that the images will still be there tomorrow. There have been hosting companies that have gone down overnight before, and size doesn’t matter, anyone can fail and the service going offline will be the first that you hear about it very often. It seems like the banks are the only companies that are “too big to fail”.

          If you are going to go pro then data management and backup policies are actually very important things to think about and plan for, right from the outset.

          I really hope that this goes well for you in the future.

          Alan

          • Hey Al, thanks for the advice. I was actually at work in my day job with no access to my RAW files which were at home and the competition requires a Hi-Res upload should your photos reach the final. My photos are on Flickr as well as being on my own website and I have Jpeg and RAW back ups on a portable storage drive. I’ve had PC’s fail in the past so I back up EVERYTHING ;0)

          • BigAl

            Yes been there too myself. My mishap occurred because I had both original files and backups on separate external USB HDD’s. Trouble is you have to have both plugged in at the same time to do the backup. That was when the surge spiked the powered USB hub, which killed BOTH drives completely. I usually have everything on a protected extension lead, when you run out of sockets you can always just stick another ordinary extension lead into the protected one. For some reason in this case that extension lead had got plugged directly into the wall. This was all of my work for one client on that disk. It wasn’t just images either as I did electronic design work for them too. Fortunately the client had all of the deliverables on their machines too. So it was only the RAW image files that were a total loss.

    • Annemieke London

      Congratulations! That sounds awesome 🙂

    • Just a Girl

      *cheers* to future successes!

      • thank you. The festival is my home town’s biggest event of the year, so I’m super excited :0D

    • Photo Stealers

      Best of luck to you!!!!

      • thank you :0) the experience will be invaluable

    • Penmar

      Congrats to you!

      • thanks a lot, cloud 9 doesn’t come close ;0)

    • Helena

      Excellent! Well done you!

      • thank you 🙂 perhaps I’m doing something right after all

        • Helena

          F/22 right? 😉

          • Marc W.
          • Helena

            Holy shit! Well as small as you can. Wouldn’t want anything in the frame to be blurry would we? 😉

          • Marc W.

            Well, to be fair, with larger formats, you’ll need smaller smaller apertures to get more in focus.

          • Kimo

            Ain’t that the truth. You learn quickly how aperture impacts DOF. Having a good magnifying loupe is vital, and it’s nice having movements to help change the plane of focus in relation to the subject and image plane.

          • Kimo

            f/22? Who shoots that wide? I regularly shoot f/45 on LF unless it’s a portrait. Then I usually shoot about f/11.

          • Kimo

            That’s a beautiful lens in an excellent shutter!

          • now I am 😉

    • Kimo

      Congrats. Keep at it, and you’ll be amazed by how quickly thing will fall into place.

    • Goodfella

      Congrats!!!

  • Annemieke London

    Corey, I would like to say I admire your strength, your perseverence and of course your photography skills. Sorry you have to deal with all this, but I have no doubt that this will all be resolved soon. We live in a world of fast communication and the interweb can be your best friend or your worst enemy. In the end the truth will win. And so will justice. We are all here to support you! xx

    • Photo Stealers

      It was cathartic banging out this blog post after my recent ban. Resolved or not, I’m moving forward. It’s been three months. I don’t think they’ll stop soon but I’m over them.

      • Helena

        I think we’re all bored shitless of these two. I’d settle for them going back in their hole and staying there, but alas, they are too pigheaded to just stfu.

        That said, I do feel sorry for them. They have no redeeming characteristics and they both appear to be really fucking miserable. I can’t imagine living like that, with all that pent up hate and rage. It must be exhausting.

        • Marc W.

          To be honest, if we stop talking about them (and of course keep all this up) we’ll all feel better and our blood pressures will go back down… of course theirs will go up because they aren’t getting attention.

          I call for a “cease-talking-about-Bilicie”.

          • Helena

            I need my BP pretty to stay up. I have a genetic predisposition for very low blood pressure. 😀

          • Paul G.

            The thing is, even if we stop talking about them they just keep going. They don’t know how to let something go and quite frankly, it seems like they don’t have anything else going on. I’m not saying that in the typical “you post comments I don’t like so I’m going to accuse you of having no life” sort of way. Just look at how much they invest every single day, all the individual comments they read, all the pages and sock puppets and petitions etc, not to mention they apparently unpublish their pages during those few hours they can’t be vigilant.

            I don’t think we should provoke them or anything (which we haven’t) but I don’t think we should just try and ignore them either because that seems like we’re turning a cold shoulder towards the other photographers they’re going after.

          • Marc W.

            It’s lose / lose with these two. You post about them, they get pissed. You don’t post about them, they get their butt hurt and they get jealous that attention is not on them. I say we just ignore them and their tantrums.

          • JustHere

            Okay, so this kinda follows my theory about these two. I’m not going to research this with dates, but I’ve noticed that when a new thief is outed here, they up their nastiness; reminds me of one of my kids who whenever I am focused on their sibling they feel the need to do something (not necessarily a positive, nice something) to redirect my attention back to them, because they only want me to pay attention to them.

      • Phoxy_Photog

        We need to have a secret FB group for victims and supporters of victims of Billcie. With invite-only status.

  • My new likes just shot up by 22. Keep sharing my work Stacie. I really appreciate your help.

    • Photo Stealers

      Mine keep going up as well.

    • C Sab

      Maybe I should start a photography page again. Lol

      • Bob23325

        You need to wait a while Chris. I think you’re higher up on their shit list than I am. LOL

        • C Sab

          Nah, it’s because of that that I should do it. They’ll get me so many likes. Lol It’s all they’ve accomplished with their pages.

        • Helena

          I am surprised by how little of my stuff “it” shared. They’re sharing directly from my Flickr last I checked. She didn’t even bother to comment on the last one.

          • Annemieke London

            You do know you can turn that ‘off’, sharing on Flickr? I did, just to be sure 🙂

          • Marc W.

            But it does’t stop them from just putting the link on FB.

          • Annemieke London

            That is true I guess, but maybe then you have ammo to report them 🙂

          • Helena

            Why report them? A 6 year old photo is getting views! Happy days! 🙂

          • Annemieke London

            They have to be a member of Flickr to see your photo’s, right? Then you’ll have to find out where they are on Flickr (can’t be too hard, just look for many many CAPS, ha) If you find their profile, you can left click on the 3 dots and choose ‘block’. I’m on this 🙂 🙂

          • Marc W.

            Nope, don’t think you have to be a logged in user to see most photos.

          • Annemieke London

            Slapping forhead, sorry of course they can see them. But I still think that if they do share a link to your Flickr account, they are violating copyright rules. Correct me if I’m wrong, anyone?

          • Marc W.

            Not if they link to it, rather than upload the photo directly, as Bilcie has done (how they got in this mess in the first place).

          • Annemieke London

            In that case I don’t know. I will ask a lawyer friend.

          • Danny Downes

            I’m loving the “it”. I must admit that I don’t like typing their names – it really makes me wince.

    • Phoxy_Photog

      Yeah mine went up by 43!

  • Just a Girl

    I was looking at some of the REAL Photographers work that Billcie has “featured” on their Ha page and all I can say is that it really drives home the fact that they REALLY are bullys. They have taken unsuspecting people and attempted to trash them. I just looked at one girls business page and her work is absolutely stunning. It might not be everyone’s style but shes done well for herself. What a douche.

    • I’ve liked a lot of their pages and offered positive comments on most (I’ll catch up again later on). Ironically they’re trying to trash good photographers. They tried trashing a photo of a woman standing in a field of yellow flowers in bright sunlight by saying she had a yellow face…. I might only be a newbie but I know how light reflection works…. *facepalm*

      • Just a Girl

        They just REALLY have no clue on what good photography is.. unless they are stealing it. 🙂

        • You can’t fix stupid

          Not even then because they trashed one of the photos that they stole. Oh how stupid they are.

          • MPR1776

            That’s just hilarious.

    • Photo Stealers

      They aren’t targeting at random, they are being very particular about whom they are choosing.

      • Bob23325

        Targeting anyone that has commented on any site that has called out Bilcie for their fraud. I’m getting a kick out of how they are “critiquing” FB compressed images because they can “share” those. They did screw up and uploaded a copyright photo and that will probably bite them on the ass hard. Anyone they’ve duped into thinking that is a legit site for critiquing images better not share their original photos… they’ll end up with someone else’s watermark on it in their mystery advertising. SMH

      • Phoxy_Photog

        And every picture to them is “blurry.” On mine, I took a screenshot of the image zoomed all the way in so you can count the subject’s eyelashes. Tack sharp. Billcie said “IMO ITS STILL BLURRY.” Someone suggested some optometrists in Florida.

        • I’ve liked a LOT of new photography pages that were shared by HA, so if I haven’t liked yours, I’m easy to find on Facebook. I love looking at other pages ;0) I’m almost thinking of starting my own photography page, but it will just be a portfolio at this stage. Nearly all of the “so called” blurry photos are either due to intentional focal points/bokeh or Facebook’s hit and miss compression algorithm….

    • Melinda Potter

      It’s kind of bothering me that they haven’t shared my page/photos. Why not? One of my friends suggested that my photography wasn’t shitty enough lol but, no! Trust me they could find something on my page hahaha. They’ve been sharing some really good stuff. Especially if you take the time to click and look further. What’s really great, is I know when I’m looking at ports/pages it really IS all their own work. It’s like they’ve created the newest hottest photography sharing site with built in copyright protection hahaha 500px and 1x watch out!

      • Helena

        *goes looking for your page*

        Link would be easier… PM me? 🙂

      • Helena

        OMG! I found it. Holy hell! I want to like everything! Amazing!

        • Melinda Potter

          Thank you Helena 🙂 and thank you for the great conversation and laughs

          • Helena

            No, thank you Melinda. 😀

  • Proof is in the Puddin

    Corey, I’m sorry you’re going through all of this BS! I really hope it is over soonest and your life can get back to normal. They are so unhappy with themselves and their lives that they are trying to spread the misery. They are both complete miserable excuses for human beings.
    Please know that you have the support of more people than you will ever know.

    • Photo Stealers

      Thank you Proof! Your name reminds me of my favorite Road to Avonlea episode. Ha.

      I’m over it now. I actually feel sorry for them.

      • Just a Girl

        Its incredibly hard to not feel sorry for someone who acts like they were dropped on their head as a child.

      • C Sab

        I definitely feel sorry for them too. They can never be happy with their lives.

        • Phoxy_Photog

          I stopped feeling sorry for them a long time ago. They are true sociopaths (maybe even psychopaths) and I don’t even think they know that what they’ve done is wrong.

      • Proof is in the Puddin

        P.S. I plan on buying a new full frame to replace my D700 in the next few days… do you have a referral code/link/etc I can use; or will you get credit if I click the ad from your page?

        • Photo Stealers

          If you are buying from Amazon click the ad and then shop from there and I believe I get some kind of credit. Thank you for asking!

          • Proof is in the Puddin

            Corey, I ordered my new camera via the link on this site… I hope you benefitted from it!

    • Phoxy_Photog

      I have been sharing links and telling everyone I know about Stacie and Bill. The more we share the info and links, the faster the entire country will know of them.

  • I’m banned from thanking Stacie for giving me new work. I commented on my fanpage and she blocked me.

    • V323

      Banned on her page or your own page? I know they keep reporting everyone (so bloody hypocritical) on their page, I hope it’s not on your own.

      • I’m banned from commenting on HA from my own fanpage.

        • V323

          Wow.

        • Annemieke London

          I bet most of us are by now :p
          Isn’t it just absurd that FB allows them to share our posts and then ban us, duh.

    • That is just dumb…

      Sent from a iPhone, please excuse the brevity and typos.

    • I’m banned now too :0( seems my comments pulling apart their critical “skills” didn’t go down to well and they deleted them 🙁

      I think the final straw must have been when I said:

      A lot of photographers have got some work from being featured on this page, and a lot of new likes on their social media pages. As it’s doing more good than harm CARRY ON!!!!!!!!!

      • Helena

        LOL. Good effort.

      • Phoxy_Photog

        I love your use of her “CARRY ON!!!!” little trademark phrase!

  • Helena

    Thanks for the Flickr share, but surely you could come up with something a little less 6 years ago? I uploaded two pictures today. Surely they’re more interesting than a scan of my face? I didn’t even report it!

    • Marc W.

      If you replace that photo on flickr, will it update on their FB page? 🙂

      • Helena

        I don’t know. I better check the page. 😉

      • Helena

        Please comment and tell people to click the link. 😛

        • Marc W.

          HA!

          • Helena

            I don’t know what you’re talking about. 😉

        • Annemieke London

          Hilarious! 🙂

      • Annemieke London

        Haha, I’d love that.

  • Helena

    Also, don’t lie Stacie. No one is submitting to you for critique.

    • C Sab

      And what she’s doing isn’t critique. It’s a tantrum being thrown by a jealous, miserable little girl.

      • keca

        It must be aggravating her to no end that the photos she’s sharing are getting nothing but positive comments!! I LOVE how it’s backfiring on her at every turn.

        • C Sab

          Oh i bet it’s driving her up the wall and I love it. That’s why I’m thinking of re-opening my own little photography page. 😛

        • V323

          Imagine, just imagine….how far she could actually be in her photography, if she applied this much energy into actually, you know, working.

          No stealing, no lying, no attacking others via email & online reviews, no making repeated pages, no scampering left right & center to control the narrative & delete any & everything she doesn’t like, no lawsuit threatening…just real, actual work.
          Imagine Stacie, where you could be, if you ACTUALLY TRIED being the photographer you want to be.
          Unless it’s actually a sociopath you want to be, then you got that covered. Well done. :applause

          • Kimo

            That would make her liked for what she did or accomplished. It seems her goal is to be loved for the mere fact she exists.

            That “like me for existing, not for what I am” crap is emotional blackmail, and allows people like this to run rough-shod all over anyone who buys into it.

        • Phoxy_Photog

          And pretty much every stupid meme and quote shared on her new page describes HER, not others. She even used a hashtag like #stoplying or something. Um, what has SHE been doing since January and before? LYING!

          I got over 40 new page likes in about a day and a half since my photo was shared to her page. I guess she didn’t like my updated caption to the photo, because she actually un-shared it.

      • MPR1776

        I like this response to one of her shares, though no telling how long it will stay up.

        • MPR1776

          I think someone didn’t like my photography…

          • MPR1776

            And she’s not done yet, she’s actually had to resort to ‘stealing’ an image of myself and my husband…which I have also reported as a violation of my copyright.

          • MPR1776

            And since I know they rent space here, my price for using my images in unauthorized advertisements is $1500.00 per image.

          • MPR1776

            Guess they decided to remove the images rather than pay my fee, but Screenshots are forever. Anyone with a case against these two, feel free to use my screenshots.

        • MPR1776

          I sent this msg

          • MPR1776

            I have also filed a dmca complaint and changed my profile pic to the image above. Guess we will see how that goes.

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      Yep (attachment — reuploaded since I failed to block out a name the first time).

      • Helena

        Hahahaha. Bingo!

      • Whilst I don’t believe for one second that anyone submitted a photo to them (well maybe one of their “seven admins!”), if it’s publicly shared on FB, it can be perfectly legally shared on their page. Hate to support them on that, but it’s technically true.
        They’re still cunts.

        • They reported my photo of a client’s daughter. They must have been on the report button all day yesterday. I linked to the PS blog about them. I guess they were trying to get me banned. The photo has been removed which is fine with me. Whatever.

  • Grace Findsme

    Why am I not surprised to stumble upon this page? I had a run in with this couple and the things they wrote me were truly despicable. I guess what goes around comes around. They love to threaten people with lawsuits.

    • Marc W.

      Any more proof of these two you’d like to share?

      • Grace Findsme

        All I have is proof of how mean and nasty she can be. I’d be happy to forward messages I received though.

        • Danny Downes

          According to “them”, sharing is caring …

        • Helena

          Oh please do share. 🙂

        • C Sab

          That’s more than enough. Every bit helps.

        • Marc W.

          You’re honor, here I’d like to introduce evidence of their character.

          *your cue*

          [How’s my fake lawyering?]

          • Bob23325

            Not bad… but if you want an opinion on fake lawyering ask Bill or Stacie. He went to law school and she has a degree in Criminal Justice. They lie like a rug!

          • Phoxy_Photog

            Law school… yet doesn’t know the difference between slander and libel.

        • Photo Stealers

          photostealers1@gmail.com if you’d like to forward.

          • Grace Findsme

            I sent you an email with all of our correspondence. Wish I could find the original conversation on WPTV’S news thread. Google her name and WPTV and words like thug and you’ll see more gems I’m sure.

          • Just a Girl

            BUT shes not racist…

          • Just a Girl

            Heh,this was fun….. Now, who is butt hurt Stacie? LOL

          • Jay Muller for the win!

          • Wow…these idiots make me feel shameful for being American.

          • captain-confuzzled

            well that was a fun Google peek, here are a few Billcie gems..(attachments)

          • Just a Girl

            Awwwww I wonder if Bill gave her a medium sized empty LV bag for that last comment.

          • LoLTonelica

            Oh. My. God.
            These people make me physically ill.

            Just, truly disgusting behavior from “adults”.
            And isn’t Stacie fairly young? How on Earth can she hold 3 degrees? Especially at the time of this posting? I mean, sure, if she went to a diploma mill like the Art Institute for Photography stuff, but Criminal Justice? Also, what is a “Fire/Science” degree?

            Sure hasn’t helped with any burns, that’s for sure. *rimshot*
            Had to. Sorry.

          • Helena

            Actually Stacie is in her 40s. She just has good skin because going out during daylight hours would turn her to dust. 😉

          • Grace Findsme

            I thought she was younger because of her vocabulary and Photoshop. I was surprised to find she was in her 40’s.

          • LoLTonelica

            Is she really?! What?
            I have never seen a selfie of a 40 year old woman look like that of a high schooler except for when they are mocking their teenage children!

            That just makes this whole thing that much sadder.

            Although, if I’m being honest, I’ve met someone much more toxic than her. 50 year old woman, I was in high school. She told me I should kill myself because her daughter deserved to be dating my then-boyfriend more than I did. No lie.
            Myspace was a bigger cesspool than Facebook.

          • JustHere

            Thank you for asking about the Fire/Science degree. I was wondering as well.

          • captain-confuzzled

            Fire Science is a legit degree. Kind of like Criminal Justice for police and law enforcement, Fire Science is for people in professions related to firefighting.

          • LoLTonelica

            Yeah, but it’s definitely not referred to as a “Fire/Science” degree. It’s considered a Fire Science degree, which is essentially useless if you don’t get a firefighting certification. Also, I imagine they enforce some sort of EMT training as well…

            You would think someone with a Criminal Justice degree and a Fire Science degree would know a bit more about gun safety.

            Yes Stacie, we haven’t forgotten the Twitter photo of you demonstrating terrible gun safety.

          • Bob23325

            Gee… No new material in 3 years… I wonder if they have an insult play book they break out for taunting people?

          • Grace Findsme

            Where is that first one from? It sounds awfully familiar to what she said to me.

          • Grace Findsme

            Nevermind, found it. Should have linked to the whole thread.

            Not me, but similar to the attack she launched on me.

            https://m.facebook.com/WPTV5/posts/10151062884228384?comment_id=24582267&offset=0&total_comments=153

          • keca

            My favorite part about their weird relationship is when he chimes in on a thread like he has no clue she she is, and then she responds to him like he’s a stranger. They did that on the Delilah thread, too. They are sick f**ks, that’s for sure.

          • You can’t fix stupid

            hahaha she is damn right you “can’t argue with stupid Bill” he is waaaaay too stupid for arguing with.
            Their English is so bad and yet they bitch about sports being broadcasted in Spanish.
            English lesson 100 – The comma. Now this is how you should have written that sentence.

            “You can’t argue with stupid, Bill” or even “Bill, you can’t argue with stupid”

          • Marc W.
          • JustHere

            The problem with the sentence wasn’t the lack of comma but the lack of proper capitalization – it should have been written “can’t argue with Stupid Bill” – which is true, you can’t argue with him since he doesn’t understand even simple concepts like theft is wrong.

          • Marc W.

            “…3 degree’s…”

            English was definitely not one of those.

          • Goodfella

            WOW! EVERYONE is “stalking” her. They took me to court for cyber stalking and harassment. They lost.

          • Grace Findsme

            They threatened me with that too. It isn’t stalking though. I’d love to avoid the crap they post, but they are literally all over Facebook. ALL OVER.

          • V323

            Does anyone else find it, well, sad she still keeps using the same tired insults, no matter what the situation? Reminds me of old, bad comedians that have only one set of material, and drag it out over & over, no matter how bad it goes.

          • Phoxy_Photog

            “Your horrible grammer is hurting my eyes.” < LOL LOL LOL

    • C Sab

      If you have any info about them, do share it.

    • V323

      Oh Grace, sit down, grab yourself a vodka popcorn and do share your story.

    • Grace Findsme

      Let me edit some screen shots and I’ll post them.

    • Grace Findsme

      This was the last message I received.

      I have called my fiancée and we WILL be getting a lawyer this time, I am done with your games, and we know where the lawyer can serve you, we still have all your info.. You just couldn’t keep your mouth shut!! WOW…… and you didn’t think I would figure out your NEW account!! Let’s drop the “n” and still use (@@@@@@@@)………. man, if I were your husband, I’d leave you.. You’re really something.. Nice video, glad to know your still in the same crappy house, like you called ours!! That we paid double for, than what you paid for yours!! ;D

      I have also reported you to facebook for cyber bullying and stalking!! Tell your hubby to start working OT, your mouth just cost you getting sued!!!!!! I have every bit of emails, pics, evidence since April, shame on you.. You’re prob still arguing with ppl on WPTV, I moved on from this type of immaturity, guess you didn’t..

      • Grace Findsme

        I got this after I called her out for advertising her boyfriend’s business as if she didn’t know him on a Mommy page.

        • Celine (peaceetc)

          I was going to ask about that. It pre-dates what’s happened here, then. I’m sorry you’ve had to experience their wrath. Was it last year?

          • I just googled her address… nothing impressive.

          • Bob23325

            Oh but she’s going to buy a Bentley and park it in her driveway. SMH Nobody in their right mind is going to buy a $150K car when they don’t even have a garage….

          • probably a Pacer with a Bentley badge on it ;0) You can buy Bentley badges at the same place you can buy Louis Vuitton bags ;0)

        • What was the “business” her boyfriend was advertising? He repeatedly tells/told me he don’t need to work because of how much money he’s made in the past.. hahahah.

          • Grace Findsme

            His handyman business.

          • Ah, was this the one they advertised on Craigslist? Or was it somewhere else?

          • Grace Findsme

            A local Facebook group for Mom’s that clearly said No Advertising.

          • gotcha, thanks!

      • C Sab

        Don’t worry about it, they make threats to sue all the time. They only did it once and their cases got thrown out due to lack of evidence. You’ve got nothing to worry about from them.

        • Bob23325

          Bill’s case was tossed for lack of evidence. Stacie had too many medical issues to get her ass into court. I’m still trying to find determine if “chicken-shit” is a valid medical condition.

          • possibly not, but yellow fever is a real thing although I don’t think it only attacks the belly…. and so is not having a spine

          • Goodfella

            HAHA! It actually is a disease (not in the way you mean though…LOL!). It ‘s called Psittacosis. Bob Dylan had it back in the 80s. I was tempted to ask her lawyer when she told my lawyer but I had to be good.

          • Bob23325

            Amazing! I was right! I won’t make fun of anyone with a serious illness, but that one is so appropriate as it relates to her behavior. I may have to update Wikipedia. When I saw “Chlamydia psittaci” is contracted from “fowl” and spread by “droppings” I had to SMH…

      • Helena

        LOL! This is gold. When did you get this?

        • Grace Findsme

          This is nothing compared to other things I received.

          • V323

            Are you saying there’s a pattern of repeated bad behavior by Stacie? Say it ain’t so.

          • C Sab

            Post everything you’ve gotten from them.

        • Grace Findsme

          This was back in 2013. I recently looked to see if she was still in business (I figured she would eventually make the wrong person mad). Looks like she did.

          • C Sab

            She’s not “in business” as her and Bill’s businesses are all pretty much dead but she is still pulling her usual crap.

      • V323

        Nothing screams “validate me!” like a threatening to sue about bullying whilst bullying.

      • Marc W.

        So, how was that trial? /sarcasm

        • Grace Findsme

          Awesome. She forgot you can’t sue people speaking the truth.

          • Marc W.

            So, did she actually get lawyer and try to sue?

          • Helena

            Don’t be silly

          • Marc W.

            Just curious if they’ve fallen on their face again… You know what they say about the definition of “insanity”.

          • C Sab

            Look at the last three months, they’ve done nothing but fall on their face.

          • Grace Findsme

            Not that I know of. I’m assuming she was laughed out of the office.

          • C Sab

            Doesn’t stop them from making empty threats. lol

      • Grace Findsme

        This all way predates what happened here. However, the lovely Time Hop app reminded me of it and I looked to see if they were still in business and came across all this.

        • C Sab

          lol How fortunate.

      • Danny Downes

        That writing style is so familiar now. It’s just so full of fail.

      • Helena

        Oh and now I feel really sorry for her. No wonder she attacked the pictures of my children. Infertility is tough. And even tougher if you’re trying to start a family at “advanced maternal age”. She is really empty inside. At her age, the chance of a healthy conception is slim.

        • Grace Findsme

          I almost felt sorry for her. But then she accused us of calling her business and hanging up (guess she upset someone else) and started threatening with lawsuits the first time. They’re just mean people.

          • Helena

            In fairness, the feeling passed pretty quickly. 😛

        • Phoxy_Photog

          How old is she? From some of the photos she looks to be maybe 30. Her maturity level is 14 (though my 12-year-old neighbor is way more mature).

          • LoLTonelica

            Supposedly she’s closer to 40. Which was SUPER surprising to me!

      • PSYCHO

      • Bob23325

        Is anyone really surprised there isn’t more of this behavior out there? Even after the Delilah Christmas Tree incident? I would shake my head but it hurts when I try to do a face palm at the same time…

        • Just a Girl

          Poor Delilah! She just always wants to spread good!

      • Just a Girl

        So typical!!!!! But noooooo they aren’t the bullies!! Pfffft!

        • Grace Findsme

          They are huge bullies. Just Google their names and news websites. They do nothing but fight with and degrade people. I can’t believe I actually thought they were successful. I used to wonder how such vulgar, mean spirited people had successful businesses. Now I see it was all fake.

          • Goodfella

            I wish I kept all their rants when I was FB friends with them and how she put me on blast on her FB page when we got into a fight. She called me a “wannabe photographer” and made a reference on how I drive a crappy car. She also wrote me nasty FB messages. That was 3 years ago and I deleted them after a week or so.

          • Bob23325

            I’ll bet you are still taking showers to get that shame of being her friend off of you. No offense… These two really do creep me out.

    • LOL! I updated the description of my photo that they are sharing.

    • Grace Findsme

      The thing that set this all off was I accused her of not being a real photographer like my step dad (who won a Pulitzer while an editor at the Philadelphia Inquirer). Oh the irony.

    • Grace Findsme

      Anyway, thank you all for doing what I was too scared to do and taking down her businesses. I felt like there was no way she was legit by the way she treated people, but didn’t have the time or resources to prove so. I’m trying to be a better person than I was back then, but I can’t help and think they’re getting what they deserve. I’m sorry anyone else has had to deal with them. I’m sure there are others out there as well.

      • Just keep everything you ever had from/with them. There may be a time people would like to get access to it, you know, for legal purposes. Thanks!

      • Phoxy_Photog

        Are you local to her?

        • Grace Findsme

          Yes, I live in the next town over.

  • Bob23325

    I had someone send me a nice e-mail today explaining how to do the FB Report Abuse dance. That was fun! I’m thinking “Why am I getting banned because of these turd nuggets?”…. CARRY ON!!!!

    • They’ve been reporting me all night. I woke up to several things deleted from my page that mentioned them.

      • Phoxy_Photog

        My image was shared, and after several comments went up, they deleted and re-shared it. So, I captioned it with the link about Stacie and Bill and they actually un-shared it! I wasn’t reported and didn’t get a 24-hour FB ban. Small victory?

        • Great victory … We need to tell everyone they share to edit it with a like. They will be forced to remove the share.
          Sent from a iPhone, please excuse the brevity and typos.

  • JustHere

    It is still on the page and still says that the pics were submitted to her for critique; in fact that photographer’s comments are still there, 3 hours later…

    • Jennifer McNally

      She’s dropped the ball tonight; I guess she forgot to unpublish the page! I screengrabbed this a couple of hours ago; Brad’s comment now has 24 likes!

  • C Sab

    Don’t believe what she says. For all you know she doesn’t actually want kids and is claiming she can’t have them so people will pity her. I’m not saying that’s true but you never know with her.

    • Grace Findsme

      Apparently her whole life is a lie.

      • you mean she’s actually dead? ;0)

        • Grace Findsme

          There may be vampires walking around Florida…

  • Just a Girl

    GOOOOOOD GOD! I HOPE they never never procreate! What vile little monsters could come from THAT mess!?! Snip it or clip it for ALL of humanity! 🙂

    Stacie seems to think that “Edumacation” is an insult when actually it shows her lack of intelligence and lack of carrying out discourse in a mature, EDUCATED manner.
    Its also interesting to see that she has NO problem with putting other peoples personal information out there but doesn’t want hers out there.
    Hypocrisy at its finest.
    Potmeetkettle!
    Dear sweet, misunderstood Stacie.. Educate don’t hate!

    • Bob23325

      Didn’t I mention in an earlier thread these two were prime candidates for sterilization? I rest my case…

  • Annemieke London

    See how this works for our creativity, LOL

  • Bob23325

    All I can think of is the opening scene with George Hamilton in Love at First Bite… “Children if the night…. SHUT UP!” Someone is getting an early start on their mday. Taunting newcomers and deleting comments. My favorite from yesterday attached….

    • yep and they’re banning pretty much every photographer that comments on their own photos. They’re also banning anyone that pulls apart their critique and manages to explain WHY said photos are the way they are…. They have no defence against people that actually know what they’re talking about, so they just ban them. If ignorance is bliss, why are they so f**king angry all the time?

  • Bob23325

    Going back to bed. No doubt there will be a few tidbits to enjoy with my morning coffee. In just a few hours Bilcie will need to get back in the coffins before daybreak.

  • The saddest part of this is that their whining has probably caused people with real problems real harm…

    https://theinternetoffendsme.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/the-real-story-behind-facebook-moderation-and-your-petty-reports/

    • interesting post.

    • Bob23325

      I know there are bigger problems out there. I feel bad for having to report the frauds that are attacking all of us through their creepy critiqueing of photos and petty “I’ll get you banned” game. It is frustrating when these little turd nuggets keep creeping into my world…

    • Just a Girl

      Interesting article. The Facebook page he refers to is even more interesting. Unfortunately, Billcie will never see anyone elses issues but their own as important so you can bet they are 2 of the reasons the system is bogged down.

  • Helena

    Just had a little giggle at this. All I can think is “yes, Stacie, Bill and 5 of their imaginary friends.” <>

    • 7 admins my ass…they so love to pretend they are some one

      • Helena

        Just to show the calibre of person we’re dealing with, this is another gem from the page. Quoting teen movies like they’re relevant. I doubt anyone will ever pump her gas, because we’re adults with real lives, not teenagers. I think she must have topped out in high school.

        • She DEFINITELY topped off in High School. Just the fact that she’s quoting (much less watching) that drivel at her age, says it all. It’s one thing to watch those things as a guilty pleasure, it’s another thing entirely to quote them as guiding principles in her “life”
          Oh Stacie… you make me waver between disdain and pity.

          • Kimo

            I think she topped out a lot earlier than high school.

          • you mean she flunked Kindergarten?

        • if we’re going with posting appropriate songs, can I suggest this one from Megadeth for starters? With lyrics for your convenience in case you want to watch with the sound off. I’d post it on HA, but I’m banned…. https://youtu.be/zOlayd0aubk

    • You can’t fix stupid

      Yeah the “ran” should be “run” – but what can you expect from 2 very uneducated people. I mean “carma” 🙂 LOL that was the funniest.

      • And what’s up with the Pink on wednesday thing? Is that a thing?

        • Just a Girl

          Hmmmm, maybe Bill has a need to let people know that instead of picking panties that have days of the week on them he picks special colors!

          • Paul G.

            He and his boyfriend probably picked them out before their day was ruined by that crazy bread scandal.

          • Bob23325

            PIZZA, PIZZA! CARRY ON!!!!

        • Photo Stealers

          It’s from the Mean Girls movie.

          • Grace Findsme

            I thought it was an antibullying campaign.

          • Photo Stealers

            Nope. Mean Girls, said by Regina George.

          • I’ve never seen that movie.

          • But what does it mean?
            Screw it, I’ll just assume it means “I’m a douchebag image thief and proud of it”.. so don’t explain it to me!

      • it’s “unedjewmakayted” ;0)

    • Kimo

      They need that many to keep up with deleting comments!

    • Photo Stealers

      I wouldn’t be surprised to find out a few other past thieves are in on “Ha” along with them, especially one as “Ha” targeted someone that thief has a grudge against (and no, they are NOT the people who outed her and will gladly testify to this).

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      Just the other day, she was saying the page had only been up for a few days (even though it was started on March 9th), and then called people names when they didn’t get she meant that’s only how long she’d had it live, because she took it down when she didn’t want people to see it. Not true, but whatever.

      So now she’s complaining that the page is live 24/7, and people should stop spreading lies about it.

      Um, sure. That makes total sense. So much sense, I won’t even mention her grammatical error.

      Also, Stacie? the mean girls in that movie aren’t meant to be role models. They’re the bad guys. Just sayin’.

  • I’m more convinced than ever Stacie and Bill are behind HA. My photo that they shared was removed for bullying and harassment. It was only removed AFTER I put that information about them in there.

    • Helena

      They removed their link to this picture. 😛
      https://flic.kr/p/61Tdk5
      I didn’t even report it.

      • Even your handwriting is sexy! (inside joke folks!)
        😉

      • Goodfella

        I saw this yesterday and thought it was hilarious!

    • Goodfella

      They posted recently that it is run by 7 people…… Bill & Stacie plus their 5 other personalities

      • I’ve contacted my local news station about them. They are very interested in doing a story about photo theft.

        • Melinda Potter

          Ugh I sure hope something comes of it

          • I’m waiting on a phone call back. They asked me to email the photostealers link.

          • Annemieke London

            That is the kind of exposure we need. Papers and/or tv.

          • hell with this kind of Drama Netflix or HBO could make a freakin’ series out of it

          • V323

            Someone get Andrew Jarecki on the phone!

        • Goodfella

          I hope they do. Are you in Florida? I would love to see it air 😀

          • I’m in Maryland.

          • Goodfella

            I don’t know if you can post video here but you should record it with your phone or camera and post it 😀

          • I will see what I can do.

          • Just a Girl

            Fairly certain that Bob is in your area, send them his way!

        • I’ve been in initial talk with someone at a local (to Billcie that is) tv station that may be interested. We’ll see. I’ll keep you posted.

        • Phoxy_Photog

          Awesome Laura! I hope they do.

      • Just a Girl

        Yeah…. And they all shut up at the same time each night.

  • Her home is nothing to brag about.

    • Phoxy_Photog

      I looked up the address on Google maps/street view as well. Yep. I don’t think that house has a closet big enough for 15 pairs of Louboutins, like she said she owns. And, if she actually has said Louboutins, they probably cost more than the house.

  • Kimo

    I like her comment of the band at Orlando. When said you couldn’t make the photo without a flash, her reply about using a “SPEEDLIGHT.”

    WOW, they’re the same thing… doesn’t she know that?

    • of course she does, she’s a professional photographer. Sorry…. SHES A PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Bob23325

    Didn’t Stacie have Legal Aid represent her in her case against “Guest”? SMH

    • Goodfella

      yes

  • keca

    Not sure if this has been posted, it’s getting difficult to keep up with the various people Stacie Klein of Delray Beach has stolen from.

    This is from the photographer who took the photo of the Louboutins that Stacie Klein claimed were hers and SHE took.

    http://lifewithjson.com/2015/02/11/the-case-of-the-pseudo-photographer/

    • That photographer needs to do something more than write a blog post. He needs to take some action.

      • Jim Martin

        Yea, I saw the photographer’s comment of:

        “… In fact, I
        really don’t care that much either – perhaps it’s due to the fact that
        there are literally hundreds of other people doing “justice” already.”

        Maybe it was just a poor choice of words, but to me it sounds it sounds like he is absolving himself of any responsibility to act because other people are doing the work for him. Hope I am just misreading the comment.

        • That type of behavior would make me not let him know if I found his work next time.

          • We’ve discovered it’s very difficult to sue (or take other legal action) against people not in your state, and I believe he’s not in FL. So cut him some slack, all that other action you guys are calling for costs time and money.. just ask Billcie who threw away a bunch of money on a lawyer on TWO cases they eventually lost/had dismissed! 🙂

          • You know, I guess I agree with you. I mean I have had my work stolen quite a few times and twice the people were a little remorseful. One outright lied and said she bought it from Getty Images but couldn’t produce a receipt for it.

          • it would be a better idea for insurance companies to include it in their policies “insurance against digital copyright theft” and provide legal expenses should such cases arise, regardless of where in the world it happened. I wouldn’t mind paying a little extra on my insurance if it gave that peace of mind…..

          • Hell yes! I pay to copyright all of my photos, even my personal photos. So far the few times that I have found my work have been from newbies who just started. As in put up a page that day or close to that day and haven’t made a dime yet. But if one o them did Iw ould for sure seek monetary damage of some sort.

          • If other businesses were getting lawsuits thrown at them with the monetary weight of insurance companies fronting the legal expenses, you can bet your ass that a lot of people would think twice before stealing photos, regardless of where in the world it was happening. I also think insurance companies are missing a trick by not including this……

          • Bob23325

            Insurance is just “legalized extortion”. They are happy to take your premiums, but fight tooth and nail when you need to file a claim. That’s how they make money.

          • yeah most have a disclaimer “in order for us to provide legal cover, you must have a reasonable chance of winning” which is vague at best…. I’d forgotten a lot of insurance companies are as morally corrupt as the people they insure against ;0)

          • cyber bullying is now a criminal offence in the UK, but try to bring charges against someone that isn’t in the UK for it. That’s the thing with the internet, it’s a global network, but it allows the less moral individuals to make an ass out of the law at every turn 🙁

          • Bob23325

            Yeah… Stacie is not going to let Bill spend any more of his (her) Bentley money. LOL The feedback I’m getting is it would be better for ALL OF US that have had bogus reviews and reports hire a Florida attorney and go at them as a group on their turf. Frankly, it’s not worth the money because these two have dug themselves a very deep hole. They are a joke down in Florida by their own hand.

          • Grace Findsme

            I would imagine they should stop spending money for the wedding on this nonsense. They’ve been engaged forever. Although, judging by the way they come at strangers, I can only imagine the barn burners they have in their house.

          • Danny Downes

            I love the way they talk to each other through Facebook.

          • Grace Findsme

            Wait, what? That’s not normal? My husband and I text message in bed at night too. Carrying on a real conversation is much too hard.

          • Bob23325

            They’re probably sitting in the same room when the do…

          • Bob23325

            What is that old saying? “Why buy the cow when the milk is free?” For clarification Bill, I did not just call Stacie a cow and there is no intent to butcher said cow referenced in the old saying. There is no threat here… Nothing to see… Move along… CARRY ON!!!!

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            Yeah, the Bentley. Yet Stacie had to use Legal Aid in her failed efforts to get a restraining order against someone. Makes sense, right?

  • Goodfella

    Selling The Drama is not on FB anymore. Not sure if FB took it down or they did

    • Paul G.

      Bill apparently unpublishes pages when he can’t monitor them. I believe people were saying it was down the other day too but ended up coming back a few hours later. Guess that could still be FB, I admit I’m very ignorant in their policies.

      • so are Facebook by all accounts going on recent events….

      • Goodfella

        Yeah, maybe they took down temporarily. I didn’t realize it was down another time too. They will probably put it back up later

    • Bob23325

      I’m pretty sure FB took it down. The avatar is gone. I’m pretty sure the avatar shows up in the search if a page is unpublished but the page holder is active. I have blocked Stacie, Bill, Selling the BS, and the “Ha..” page. I can’t see, and really don’t want to see, what they are up to, but I do enjoy the comments from “real” photographers giving them shit on the “Ha…” page. Of course the comments are taken down in the wee hours of the morning the when the trolls are out hunting, but I still get some pretty funny screen shots of them getting handed their ass. 7 admins? I call BS. I have a sneaking suspicion Bill is riding out a FB ban too… I’ve learned so much about how F’ed up FB is by watching these two. BTW… I have no sock puppet accounts. Never have and never will.

      • Celine (peaceetc)

        I do not under anything but my real name. I’m me, for better or worse, and my mother told me if I was going to say something, I had better own it. Heck, I even changed it on here to add in my first name, to avoid any confusion.

        And you’re right about Facebook — their reporting system is screwed up so badly, they might as well not have one at all. I had no idea it was so bad until these two came along.

        • As you can see, this is me. 🙂

          • Photo Stealers

            I obviously own up to everything under my name. I don’t have the time or energy to spend with fake names and accounts.

        • I was me the last time I looked, although sometimes I wonder….

        • Big Fuzzy is my real name. Al Borrelli was just my superhero name. That guy is awesome.

      • Helena

        If you read my interaction with Bill above, I am Helena on this site, and I’m hiding behind my fake account. Except my name really is Helena, and I use my own picture. :/

        But whatevs, Bill is obviously much smarter than me. After all, he figured out I am Helena on here and Helena on FB. 😉

        • Celine (peaceetc)

          Geez, Helena, hiding behind your real name and picture like that. It’s so confusing and deceitful!

          For those wondering, I really am a metal bear from a carnival ride.

      • Paul G.

        Well, at least FB got something right by finally getting rid of their page. I have a feeling it will be a short lived victory though. Just give it a few days (or possibly even hours) and I’m sure they’ll come up with another page. They apparently have little else to do with their lives. I wonder if FB ever outright IP bans someone. That’s really the only way I can see them ever stopping.

        • Bob23325

          Now the avatar is back up. The Prince of Trolls is watching everything we say. What a pathetic little turd nugget… LOL

          • Grace Findsme

            They definitely are. I had to verify my identity on my Facebook account today. Coincidence? I think not.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            How shocking. I verified my account years ago, thankfully.

          • Grace Findsme

            Someone obviously reported me for using a fake name. I have a Facebook Account that I used to discuss the Trayvon Martin case because people kept reporting my actual Facebook and getting me banned for nothing. It is also the account I corresponded with Stacie on. I haven’t used it since, until I retrieved the messages to show you all. If it gets shuts down, not a big deal.

          • LoLTonelica

            Any time they issue you a ban or warning, you have to verify your identity. I did it years ago when I initially opened mine and had to do it again when I got my warning from when they removed my screen shot posted to PS.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            That’s weird, I did get a ban, and I didn’t have to verify. I sent in a copy of my license to them years back… is that what you had to do?

          • LoLTonelica

            No, weird. They just wanted me to verify my email and such. You had to send them a copy of your license? SUPER weird.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            That wasn’t for a ban. I was added to a very popular photography list (https://www.facebook.com/lists/10100169411913963) on Facebook that has a ton of subscribers, and that shows as me having a ton of followers because Facebook is weird. Facebook wanted to make sure I was a real person using a real name since I was suddenly gaining a lot of pseudo-followers (that’s how I think of them, since they aren’t directly following me). They didn’t require me to do it, but I’m glad I did. It’s probably helped me avoid problems now.

            When I had my ban, I just had to login again and agree to the community standards stuff.

          • LoLTonelica

            Ohhhh, that makes way more sense. When you had said you sent them that, I thought they required you specifically to and I couldn’t help but think that’s a HUGE overreach by Facebook!
            Now that seems much less crazy. lol

          • Grace Findsme

            They were busy busy bees last night. Facebook now wants a photo ID. Not happening. They can shut down the account.

          • Kimo

            This is what I got. I just let the account go. I can view with my wife on her account, so I don’t need one to comment. I’ll keep my comments here, where they have to come find them.

          • Kimo

            I never had an FB until I started commenting here. I made one to match my old user name on Disqus, and within days of my first post, I was told to verify my identity or close the account. I let go of the account.

          • Grace Findsme

            I changed the last name to Smith. They seemed happy with that and no more verification was necessary.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      It isn’t “Selling the Drama” it is a “STD”- sexually transmitted disease.

      • Goodfella

        LOL! I stand corrected 🙂

      • Kimo

        I thought it meant “Sore Tingly Dingly.”

  • Bob23325

    Well what do you know… I’ve just received a message from FB that one of my photos has been reported for nudity. Who could have done that? LMAO The trolls are up!

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      It’s those nekkid limos, Bob. So scandalous.

      • Bob23325

        I have 3 cats too. Damn cats have been taking naked selfies and posting them on my FB page while I am under a 3-day ban. You can’t make this stuff up!

        • Celine (peaceetc)

          I went and looked, Bob, and I also see a nude turkey. Oh, the horror of it all.

        • All cats are sluts

    • Bob23325

      Good news! FB did not remove the photo of the naked turkey! SMH

      • Celine (peaceetc)

        Yay! Turkeys have the right to be free!

        • Bob23325

          I know, right? You should have seen the breasts on that bird!

  • captain-confuzzled

    I almost hate to post this because either their stupidity on Ha has reached a new level of low that I can’t even comprehend, or they are baiting – which okay, I guess I’m taking the bait if that is the case. On their ’24 hour’ post there are two likes. One of which is supposedly a lawyer (I won’t type his name out of respect and don’t want to get him meshed in here) if you follow the links it is obviously a fake FB profile made that links to a real lawyer – what is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I doubt he would be amused, and picking a lawyer doesn’t seem like the smartest choice if you are going around impersonating people. The Facebook info is pretty old for the impersonated lawyer but I did determine that they are actively in business now. My head hurts at the craziness. (see attachments to follow the trail).

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      That’s…. confusing.

      • captain-confuzzled

        yeah, sorry, the attachments kind of run together. The profile that ‘likes’ the Ha page is fake but has a link to a real firm with a lawyer of that name. Following the real link you see a picture of the real lawyer who doesn’t look anything like the profile pic on the fake page and has his own real FB page.

        • Celine (peaceetc)

          No, I didn’t mean that. I mean the fake profile linking to a real page where that fake profile clearly doesn’t work. Somebody’s not terribly bright.

          • captain-confuzzled

            oh, gotcha, yeah, that’s why I think someone is baiting. It is just so obvious.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            I agree, but then again, I wouldn’t underestimate these two. I think they really feel they can pull the wool over our eyes, despite them having failed to do so many times.

            I sent a PM to the law firm letting them know of the apparent fake profile. I don’t know how active that page is, though, so who know when/if it will be seen.

          • Danny Downes

            I sent a message too.

          • Paul G.

            I hope he ends up seeing it, that’s really messed up on Billcie’s part. I think even they realize they’re playing with fire since they never busted out that sock puppet account to threaten us before.

          • Guest

            You might want to send a message to the real lawyer whos profile pic that is at the above address too…would be better coming from a Mod.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            Update — the law firm got back to me via PM on Facebook with this:

            “Thank you. We will contact FB. I appreciate you letting us know!”

            So that’s good.

    • Just a Girl

      Someone needs to let that guy know! That IS identity theft! It’s one thing to make a Favebook with some random name and details….. Totally different to literally steal someone’s complete profile. What dumbasses

    • Guest

      Not even the same guy, they stole the photo from somewhere else…https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbjoseph

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      That fake profile is now down.

  • Danny Downes

    A quick Google search on that image brings up a completely different person.

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      Yes, it sure does. Nice catch, Danny.

      • Danny Downes

        That was a pretty lame attempt at intimidation. Brilliant spot by c-c though.

        • Celine (peaceetc)

          I don’t have the ability to message the person on LinkedIn with that image as their profile, since I don’t have an upgraded account. If anyone can do so, that would be awesome. I don’t want to link it here, though, since he has nothing to do with any of this.

          • Danny Downes

            I sent a message through his company’s contact page as I can’t remember the last time I used LinkedIn.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            Great, thanks.

          • Guest

            Just go to the website listed on the linked in and message through that web site

          • Guest

            oops to late!
            lol

    • captain-confuzzled

      I see the picture is another lawyer! geez, someone is really going out of there way to be a dufus.

  • ALP

    Just for the record, I did NOT submit a photo of a belly dance costume I was selling for critique. But honestly it creeps me out that someone is spending that much time lurking around my personal page, which is the only place that photo was posted. The watermark was accidental because I was too lazy to fix the automatic action.

    • C Sab

      They have no life, no jobs, no friends. This is literally all they do all day.

  • Phoxy_Photog

    Their phone number and address were posted online. We can see a good view of their home. lol

  • Phoxy_Photog

    Guys, how can I track IP addresses? I just had content reported and removed from my business page, so yep, Stacie/Bill are watching my page and this page I’m sure. I had various views on different pages of my website/blog today and I strongly believe they were Billcie.

    • They often use proxies to hide their IP. But you can always use something like http://www.ip-tracker.org/

      • C Sab

        Hiding like the cowards they are. And yet they still can’t do any harm to us.

  • From the “Ha, so you think…” FB page: “ONE MORE HOUR TO GO, JAMMIN’ TO THIS SONG RIGHT NOW AT WORK. ‪#‎bartenderissues‬”
    Again trying to make us think there’s someone else behind their page. You know, one of The Seven.
    And then later, the post alleged to be from someone living in Dallas. Yup. Totally believe that too!
    Billcie, we know you’re full of shit.

    • captain-confuzzled

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      • Until I see scans of her degrees, this, like everything else from them, is complete and utter bullshit.

        • keca

          You’ll never see her degrees, but maybe she’ll scan her degree’s.

          • Well, were she stupid enough to put something untrue, it’s really really easy to find out from the universities (or fake degree mills!) whether she attended or not!

          • keca

            They are probably in the same place as the RAW files.

        • Kimo

          Maybe her degrees are like the “36 Chambers of Shaolin?” You know, where you shave your head and go through the three degree chambers- 1) Right Clicking, 2) Selecting “Save as,” 3) Uploading stolen photo.

      • I can buy 3 degrees for $400 without ever having studied…. $600 and I could buy 3 doctorates…. Doesn’t mean I’ve earned them though ;0) http://www.instantdegrees.com/

        • Danny Downes

          The Three Degrees

      • This cracks me up. I can just hear his voice. LMFAO

    • Danny Downes

      And they’re in Dallas too (apparently). Maybe they should have linked to the song ‘Fantasy Island’ by Tight Fit.

      • Bob23325

        You are not thinking like they do Danny. Post said “hometown link”. Might be someone from Texas… but I could post a link for the bars in Anchorage and it wouldn’t mean I’ve ever lived there.

        • Danny Downes

          Good point Bob.

      • Melinda Potter

        HOLY COW! That video is amazing! It’s like ABBA, Xanadu, (insert any 80’s pop star here) all got together and had babies! lol fantastic!

        • Just a Girl

          Definitely has that ABBA feel to it!

    • You can’t fix stupid

      I see the HA page is closed now. They must be sleeping. You know how they hate having pages open when they are sleeping.

      • Danny Downes

        It was still there when I looked a minute ago.

    • Bob23325

      It wouldn’t surprise me if they have an accomplice or two… Probably past theives and they’ve formed their own little club.

      • C Sab

        Like shooting losers in a barrel.

        • Bob23325

          Careful Chris…

          • C Sab

            Yeah that would be their response. I’ll edit it so Bill and Stacie don’t get too scared at big bad me. lol 😛

          • Bob23325

            You saw the photo that went with that?

          • C Sab

            Yeah. Just thought I’d do it anyway, you know how desperate Bill and Stacie are to try and find straws to grasp.

    • Marc W.

      My vote is for Marcus.

      • Guest

        Who’s Marcus?

        • Marc W.
          • Guest

            Ahhhh ok, just another sleeze. I thought for a sec you were talking about a someone I know that had to end up deactivating his account for awhile to avoid a complete ban. Man where do these people crawl out of? What happened to morals and values? Don’t parents teach that anymore…sheesh.

          • Bob23325

            A little too much speculation there… That post said “hometown link”. Linking people on past theft because they’re in Texas isn’t helping. Now if you were to say “MP”, I would say that one is a very good possibility. I mentioned “MP” on here, never by full name, and I’m blocked from her FB page.

    • Photo Stealers

      But wait I thought they worked 2-10PM?! What kind of bartender is that?

  • So Lollicakes isn’t still around?

    • Nope,. that died quickly. Though they’ve said “temporarily” which means “looking for a way to rebrand that we won’t be noticed”… which is fine since Lollicakes wasn’t the problem (even though they DID have stolen images there!)

      • Now I want some cake!

        • Grace Findsme

          I’d bake you one if you lived closer.

      • Celine (peaceetc)

        There are screencaps which show Stacie trying to sell off her equipment from that business as a lot, which predates their listing here. I don’t have them handy, but I’m sure they’ve been posted here before. They may be on the listing itself, but I don’t feel like going through all of that to find out. 🙂

        • Grace Findsme

          Maybe I should buy it. All my friends think I should go into the baking business. I did fifty cakepops for someone last summer, for free. Never again.

          • BigAl

            Ha,last night my daughter (she’s 17) volunteered to help bake cakes for an upcoming cake sale on our local market for our local Royal British Legion Branch (Great Yarmouth Norfolk) . Apparently I don’t have to worry too much as they are all being done with recipes using only 1940’s British rationing ingredients. So not too much stuff to buy. This is in commemoration of the 70th anniversary of VE Day (8th May). The sale is on Wednesday 6th May on the Market Place Great Yarmouth. All the proceeds will be going to the Poppy Appeal.

            Alan

          • Kimo

            It’s great to hear about someone that age taking part in something so noble. I wish you both the best!

          • BigAl

            Thanks, as I’ve mentioned before, I am disabled and she is my sole carer, and still in school and doing well. She hopes to go on and become a lawyer. I could not be more proud of her.

          • Kimo

            It sounds like your pride in her is well justified. I know that she’ll exceed your every expectation and will encounter every success God has to offer!

          • Danny Downes

            I haven’t been to Great Yarmouth for years. Lovely place.

        • Phoxy_Photog

          The Lollicakes FB page says “We are currently closed.”

          • Bob23325

            If it’s the one that closed in 2013 in Orlando that is not them. Bilcie did register the company in 2013 in Delray Beach.

        • V323

          I find it curious, they’re all aghast over being caught for stealing images, yet neither business that they’re SO protective of even still exist. If either were thriving, why did they disappear? Does anyone think Stacie is still actually a working photographer?

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            She claims she’s still doing her “hobby” (photography) and that we’d never find it, but that means nothing. I do know it didn’t show up as a licensed business.

            I don’t get what the big deal about the cake pop thing was, either, since it had ended long before this listing came along. I think perhaps it was just something Bill could latch onto for his attacks, but that’s just a guess. I don’t pretend to understand what goes on in either of their minds.

    • Bob23325

      Seriously? $30 to $36 for a dozen fancy donut holes on a stick?

      • Wasn’t there an As Seen on TV for cake pops? I have one of those little rubber tubs that I bought when I was still active duty.

      • Kimo

        It might be worth it for a party filled with lots of kids. My wife makes her own, without kits. She also makes them only for our friends. To do it as a business, though, requires talent and hard work. Neither Dill nor Spacie could muster enough of either to make it work.

  • Danny Downes

    I think we should shorten ‘Billcie’ to ‘Bile’ – seems more fitting.

  • keca

    Look at the email address! Only high end 4 me?? Except for her integrity. And personality. And her photography skills. And her house. CARRY ON!!!!!!

    • Goodness we almost share a birthday. I’m a Libra too.

      • Annemieke London

        I would like to study her birth horoscope. A good astrologer (hey, my brother is one) could do it without knowing the exact time of birth. Oh, I’m tempted. It would be nice to see how ‘things’ evolve. I can guess a few oppositions and bad conjunctions there, LOL
        And don’t worry Laura. Some people do not fit the normal human astrology types. Special signs must be invented for them.

  • this explains a lot….

    • You can’t fix stupid

      Now the problem with this is that they won’t get it. Stacie would say “But I am not dead” – just like the “thick” comment.

      • you have to wonder how many drugs and how much alcohol any normal person would need to consume to get anywhere near the level of oblivion that these people portray….

        • Just a Girl

          I think their drug is “creating drama” or better yet the thrill they seem to get from creating it. Much like a serial killer.

          • Paul G.

            Definitely. I’ve run across people like this before, though never quite to this extreme. Basically, they’re unhappy with their own situation in life, but they’re either in denial or just plain don’t want to do anything to improve themself. So instead of trying to better their lives, they lash out and just attempt to lower everyone else around them in an attempt to feel superior. That’s why so many of their comments are about personal status and wealth. To them, this isn’t about the stolen photo’s, hence why so few of their comments even mention/defend that aspect. It”s just about social standing to them.

          • Kimo

            Did you also notice they never make mention of how much they value each other? They never talk about how special they feel when they’re together? They never talk about how they feel that special pride that comes from creating something or contributing to the world around them?

            They don’t even have social standing with each other. How can they have any real standing in any society that subscribes to real values?

          • Annemieke London

            They are what we call ‘sentenced to one another’. Imagine how tiny their world must be. They might not even like each other anymore, but are stuck in this situation. Imagine them going for groceries wondering if people in that shop know what they did and are doing? After all, this sort of news spreads fast and everywhere. Everybody has FB these days. One person knows at least 100 others and so it’s like a snowball effect.

          • Kimo

            Yeah, they’re not getting ahead with this kind of behaviour, and definitely can’t trust each other, as neither values anything over her/his individual self, actually the lack thereof.

      • Annemieke London

        Haha, she would most likely try to prove that she’s alive. In Dallas. Duh.

        • Celine (peaceetc)

          Yes. A bartender in Dallas who posts random songs and movie clips to a page which has nothing to do with either one of those, and are really meant to stick it to their “haters.” Makes total sense.

          • Marc W.

            Wait, there was another stealer in the DFW area who’s husband / boyfriend got very verbally abusive. I’ll have to find it.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            That’s possible. But I’m willing to bet B&S have combed through this entire site, so it’s possible they might use others’ details to try to throw suspicion off of them. Or they could have pulled Dallas out of their backsides. Who knows.

          • Guest

            Them trying to hide behind any kind of fake profile is a useless attempt. Facebook tracks and keeps everything. They can even tell you what device you used. Even if they used VPN, all they would have to do is login once on a cell and bam they are all linked. They have all accounts and posts even those deleted. All you have to do is have your lawyer or law enforcement email or fax a request and they are more than happy to hand it over to authorities. They have a whole team that just does this.

  • Annemieke London

    I think it is just awesome how this whole ‘situation’ has connected so many people. I am making new friends on FB, getting more likes and I love getting inspired by visiting the pages of all these professional photographers. In a while nobody will pay attention to the Ha, wankers page and it will be forgotten.
    I would love to focus on positive things. As every bit of attention they get, is a waste.

    • C Sab

      It’s gone so far because they kept it going with their behaviour. They don’t realize that by fighting back they made things worse for themselves, and it gets worse and worse every day for them cause more people know the truth about them. They can’t fight against that. They can talk as much trash as they want, it’s just words, it means nothing to us. We won this a long time ago.

    • Yeah, heck you and I should get together, share some beers, take some photos! We’re not far from each other. And we can show Billcie what it means to have friends.
      Also, our lives are clearly cooler than theirs! 😉

      • Annemieke London

        True! Great idea. Whenever you are near Eindhoven, let me know 🙂

      • Annemieke London

        Huh? I’m sure I typed a reply … Hmmmmm, never mind.
        That would be lovely. Indeed, we could take a horrible selfie for her to post on the Ha, wanker page. I’ll find you on FB and send you a friendship request.
        Oh, I did type an answer :p Have to get used to this Disqus thingy 😉
        Can’t find you on FB, please find me (that’s easy).

  • Phoxy_Photog

    I think I found the info for the woman Stacie tried to sue. She’s in Boca Raton, FL, and is a nature photographer. I tried looking up the circuit court records in their county and that came up, but details aren’t available. It was filed at the end of March. Anyone have confirmation of that?

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      Yes, that’s it, if you mean the cases ended at the end of March. Bill’s case failed due to insufficient evidence, and Stacie gave up on hers, though she still swears a temporary order of protectiion she had is still in place. It isn’t.

      The person they filed against has commented on here. I feel terrible she had to endure that, not to mention the costs involved.

      • V323

        Any particular Stacie picked that one person out of the anyone that has commented? I feel like I missed the how, why. what in that story.

        • Celine (peaceetc)

          They actually knew each other and had a falling out, from what I understand. I think they felt she was an easy target, but it didn’t exactly work out for them.

          • Goodfella

            yes. It was just easier to come after me because I live near by. They wanted to try and make an example of me but it didn’t work

          • I’m WAY late. Why did she try to sue you?

          • C Sab

            She shared a link to this site and the post about Stacie and Bill. That’s it. Now you see how pathetic they are.

          • Goodfella

            They didn’t sue me. They tried to get an Injunction or Restraining order on me. They tried to say I was Cyber Stalking and Harassing them. It falls under Domestic Violence (weird).

          • Kimo

            What? You lost your license because of a link? That’ just shows how pathetic the courts are.

          • Goodfella

            What happened was that I received in the mail from legal aid that her lawyer requested a Motion To Consolidate for March 4th. The Original date was Feb 18th. The day before the original court day, their lawyer REVERSED the motion for Stacie. I had no idea and that made me a no show. There was no way I would have known and I think that is why her lawyer pulled that stunt. Stacie said her “case” and that is when the judge granted a temporary.
            I then received in the mail that my CC license was suspended and I had to turn it in. My lawyer requested a motion again and we were suppose to have the hearing on March 4. Stacie claimed she had back problems and could not go. Bill showed up but my lawyer filed another motion to consolidate. March 25th was the new date and Stacie didn’t show up again but she wanted to dismiss it. Bill’s petition was denied. Stacie’s would have been also if she showed.
            I sent my court papers to the license depart in Florida and now I wait to get it back

          • Phoxy_Photog

            Well, you can still open carry, right?

            That’s BS.

          • Goodfella

            I sent the court papers to the Florida Division of Licensing. I just have to wait for them to get on the ball and send me back my license. It really doesn’t effect me too much because I can still go to the gun range and shoot. That is pretty much what I do anyway. Since all this stuff happened and the way they are acting, I want to make sure I carrying something on me. I have guns, knives and knuckles. THey live too close and since they have both gone over the deep end, I fear for my safety with them.

          • Phoxy_Photog

            That’s absolutely horrible that you actually have to fear for your safety, but I don’t blame you. Some people are just mean behind a computer, but they have taken this way outside the confines of the internet, and with their behavior I honestly don’t doubt they are capable of doing something more severe. They already show no remorse or take responsibility. They fit all traits of a sociopath, and many of a psychopath.

      • Phoxy_Photog

        I feel terrible too. I figured they knew each other considering their close proximity.

    • Goodfella

      That’s me (I am Lisa) Bill lost his case against me and Stacie dismissed after being a “no show” twice.

      • Celine (peaceetc)

        Thanks, Lisa. I didn’t want to put your name here again without your permission.

      • Phoxy_Photog

        Glad! YOu take some nice nature photos by the way. Better than anything Stacie could product I’m sure.

  • Danny Downes

    What’s a digit maker? And why only make over 6 over them a year?

    • Annemieke London

      LOL

    • C Sab

      lol Yeah he makes it from something called a trust fund.

    • chuck knuckles

      A “digit”…like a finger??? Billcie gets over 6 fingers a year?
      I would imagine they get a LOT more than 6 a year.
      Hey Billcie… Here’s another one for you !

    • C Sab

      It also shows how insecure he is. He bases his whole self-worth on how much money he has and how many expensive material items he possesses. There’s nothing about him that he feels pride over so he relies on meaningless things to give himself a false sense of self-worth.

      • Grace Findsme

        Incredibly true. I used to get so upset when internet trolls would try and attack our financial status. One of the reasons I completely blew up on Stacie when she baited me on the news thread. When I finally stopped comparing my husband and I to other people and what they have and became grateful for what we have, I became a lot happier and a lot less stressed And blocking internet trolls, instead of arguing with them became a lot easier.

        I do have three beautiful, incredibly smart children…that I get to stay home with, an amazing husband (don’t tell him I said that), a huge family and we are finally reaching out and making friends.

        Also the less we focus on the material things and more on our relationships, the more we seem to receive. My dad is loaning us money to completely redo our backyard. My husband has more doors opening for him career wise. Friends want to help us with home improvement projects and in return, we help them.

        As much as I’ve taken a couple jabs, I do hope they can figure out how to find happiness and stop basing their (and others) worth off of “stuff”. It’s hard to do in South Florida, but doable if you plug yourself into the right groups.

        Maybe one day we will be able to afford some really nice things, but for now I’m content with spoiling my kids and stepping on legos.

        • C Sab

          You’ve already accomplished more than people like Bill and Stacie ever will.

          • Paul G.

            That’s how I see it. Like, even if I believed their completely unsupported claims about being rich…who cares. Having money doesn’t make you any less of a thief. It’s just completely irrelevant to what we’re accusing them of.

          • Grace Findsme

            It is irrelevant to a lot of things. They seem to think being or appearing to be rich gives them a right to say whatever they want. Or to intimidate people into thinking they will take legal action against them. Maybe to make themselves seem very successful, so you’ll think their argument is more valid. I ran into them on a thread about the Trayvon Martin case. They brought up money then too.

          • C Sab

            That’s what you get with people who have been spoiled rotten. ;P

          • Grace Findsme

            Yeah, unfortunately in South Florida, there are a lot of them. A LOT.

          • C Sab

            I can believe it. Florida is one of those places where it’s all one big socialite, dick-measuring competition with everyone trying to 1-up each other with overpriced crap to hide the fact their lives are hollow.

        • V323

          I gave up 6 figures to be happy. It’s amazing. We plotted, schemed, managed, and planned, and there have been a few tough patches (mostly from a expensive dog rehab still ongoing) , but we made distinctive choices, where it hasn’t been near as difficult as it could be. I don’t drop $$$ like I used to, but also recognized those things I was shopping for were in retaliation to how unhappy I was in work. Can I still buy some of those things? Sure, if I plan for it. I just don’t have the need anymore.

          • Grace Findsme

            The things never actually fulfill you. Although, this backyard is an answered prayer. But once again it’s for my kids. Who am I kidding? It’s really for my sanity.

        • Annemieke London

          That just made me smile! Good for you 🙂

      • On top of that, it’s all BS. I wish there would be a court case where their income filings with the IRS would come to light!

    • Melinda Potter

      I only make 3 digits a year, but I do it honestly

      • C Sab

        And that’s better than making 9 digits their way.

      • Kimo

        Anything earned is far more valued than anything stolen, and even more so than any handout.

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      She writes numbers really, really, really, really slowly.

    • Bob23325

      There’s good money in pole dancing…

      • Kimo

        Especially now that spring break has sprung.

      • But you’d have to be someone people want to see on a pole, Billcie certainly doesn’t fit the bill for that!

        • Kimo

          It is spring break… I bet some of them drunks would pay to see him try it.

          Nasty visual, no?

    • Kimo

      It’s interesting to note that uses the “digits” in lieu of “figures.”

      It’s even more telling to note that every new session begins with posts about comments from here. It would seem she’s fighting a defensive battle, rather than fighting a war to achieve victory. She seems to be drawing this drama out in order to hopefully either wear us down or rally some some reinforcements. Unfortunately for her, those reinforcements are just opportunistic failures, similar to her. Their “help” is just a chance to dig up some old dirt.

      I suspect more than one past offender would like to see her go away, as the reinforcements just bring attention to the past thieves, including them. They can’t move on when she’s drawing attention to them by proxy.

      It’s contrary to a victory minded position. Sun Tzu said no one ever benefited from a protracted war. It’s a drain on resources and resolve.

      • Danny Downes

        More than 6 digits is … 7 digits or 8 digits and so on. Talking of war – it looks like they’ve created another sock account called CYBER WAR so they can talk to each on Facebook.

        • Kimo

          Right, but typically income is referred to as figures, as in a 7 figure salary, with options.

          I couldn’t find CYBER WAR. Must be Dill’s, not Spacie’s.

          • Annemieke London

            It’s Cyber War and it’s a community. Look for the community that has 1 like 🙂

        • Celine (peaceetc)

          I noticed that. Full of stolen images, and of course blathering on about taking Photo Stealers down. You’d think they’d find a new hobby, but nope. Ah, well, this too shall pass.

        • Marc W.

          I make more than 6 digits a year.

          $9999.99

      • Phoxy_Photog

        She’s apparently a bartender. Bartending is great in your early 20s. I was a cocktail waitress for a couple years. I highly doubt she earns six “digits.”

    • Kimo

      How about this gem from Sweet n Demented, the page she shared with the image of the lady smoking and holding a pistol, “It’s better to have nobody than to have someone who is half there, or doesn’t want to be there.”

      That sounds like both her and Bill. Together they make nearly, maybe, 1 semi-interested person.

    • A bartender makes 6 digits?

      • I’ve known bartenders make that much… but only for “side services” 😉

        • Kimo

          Are you pointing back to Billcie’s pole?

          • Well who else works over night? a “lady of the night”??

      • Photo Stealers

        The only way that’s possible is if the “bartender” isn’t wearing any clothing.

  • Photo Stealers

    William was also kind enough to send me this email <>

    • Helena

      They’re obviously not getting enough attention at home.

    • Annemieke London

      William should stick to apples, really. On Billcie’s heads. He’d probably miss 😉

    • Kimo

      Based on his comments and e-mail, I would guess this guy probably hurt animals as a child to see them squirm. He might even hurt them still.

  • Danny Downes

    Have you ever considered a career in the church?

  • Melinda Potter

    no proof?!

  • LoLTonelica

    Stacie? Or one of her mindless drones?
    Let me guess. They used a proxy.

    • Photo Stealers

      No. Past photographer featured on Photo Stealers posting from work.

      • LoLTonelica

        Yikes. Some people just can’t move past this.
        Like, I understand the anger. It sucks to get caught with your hand in the cookie jar… but if you can’t become a better person for it, it just gets sad.

        • C Sab

          They’re just butthurt about the fact that they thought they were being so clever and sneaky and yet were brought down so easily. Banding together won’t help them. Just shows how desperate they are, and the fact that they can’t move on with their lives. Sad.

          • LoLTonelica

            It IS sad.
            Like, I keep thinking about my future going forward and I actually ask myself how I can prevent becoming embittered and, not going to lie, completely crazy like them.

            also, check your other folder on facebook when you get a chance.

          • C Sab

            I’m always preparing for the future, trying to not become dependent on people handing everything to me like Bill and Stacie do. I can see that the lives of pretty much everyone here are worth more than theirs regardless of how much money they have cause trust me, we know where it comes from and it’s not from any meaningful job or anything.

          • Phoxy_Photog

            It’s sad any photo stealers think they’re sneaky and clever… I mean it’s the freaking internet… it’s public… it never forgets!

  • Paul G.

    Sup Bill. Or maybe Stacie? With any other thief I’d assume it was a friend or family member, but it doesn’t seem like Bill or Stacie have any of those coming to their defense. Maybe a past stealer who got outed?

    • LoLTonelica

      Oh heck no. I even got a message back around when this started from a friend of theirs asking what was going on. He was suuuuuper mad that Stacie Klein of Delray Beach Florida had lied to him. He burned that bridge. Smart man.

      • Paul G.

        Yeah, there have been a couple of those. That’s why I added the coming to their defense part. To be fair towards the few people that have tried to defend them, they at least made a genuine effort to find out what was going on and didn’t just lash out. I did forget about that other guy who seemed to have a personal vendetta against another member here, but I don’t even know if he was actively trying to defend Billy and Stacie or just further his own vendetta.

        I just meant normally we have friends and family coming on talking about how so and so is a really good person and this must be a mistake etc. Nobody in Billcie’s social circle has done that though, and I mean, you know they’d be sharing this information with everyone they possibly could because they aren’t exactly known for silence. It’s just them and their sock puppets and the occasional person that’s kinda sorta on their side just because they want to lash out at this site.

        • LoLTonelica

          Yeah, that was certainly my point. I had forgotten about the man who went on a name-calling rampage on the PS facebook. I actually missed it, but I saw the few screen grabs that were posted and subsequently shook my head.

          It just makes you wonder. I mean, this behavior has lasted so long over so many platforms, before PS even outed their fraud. How many friends have abandoned them along the way? When did this behavior manifest? Who affected whom in terms of possibly making it worse?
          Just a lot of questions about the psychology of it all… and, honestly, using it as a road map of what not to do.

        • Photo Stealers

          In the very beginning I had two false reviews from what I think are family members of Stacies. There was one guy, Brian, that also came to their defense here but not the normal show you see.

        • Kimo

          They have no one who can support their position after the first words leave their mouth.

          Almost everyone can spot the emotional blackmail/mooching/looting that these 2 attempt to use to manipulate everything and everyone around them.

      • Photo Stealers

        Huh?

        • LoLTonelica

          I considered posting the conversation, but to save him backlash from those two, I did not post it. He said he had contacted you as well. He was trying to sort out the truth and Stacie had told him someone had hacked her facebook and put her watermark on those images in an attempt to defame her. I explained from my point of view what was going on and referred him to the evidence here and on the BullShizer blog posts. He said he was really upset and would be distancing himself from them going forward because he didn’t want the drama.

          My heck no was to them having friends that would come here in their defense because it either would have happened by now (I mean, three months and radio silence on that front) or people like their lawyer friend would just be thrust into a horrible position because there’s no denying the evidence anymore (and who really wants that?).

          • Photo Stealers

            OH! I had a few of those myself from friends of theirs, fans of the Cat Tails page and some from the bullying sites they tried to rally.

    • Photo Stealers

      Different past photographer from PS – Moore Photo. He posted this from work where he’s listed as an employee.

      • Classic!

      • Just a Girl

        Now that I have a chance to look at it. YUCK! YUCK! YUCK!!! I remember that guy! The nasty, dirty feeling his listing left just came rushing back! That guy was just creepy in a pervy way!

  • LoLTonelica

    Yep. No proof. Sure sure Billciam TellsLies.
    Because, you know, the countless screenshots aren’t anything worth noting. Oh, or the fact that Stacie has confessed to stealing images that weren’t hers. Ooh ooh, or the extortion!

    So, as a non-involved party, I guess CNN has no right to report on anything and every newspaper in the world should be hanging up it’s hat any day now. Since, you know, we have no right to report on things as non-involved parties.

    Thanks for the laugh though. 🙂

    • Photo Stealers

      Not Bill and Stacie

      • LoLTonelica

        Color me surprised! Is it the same person as the bleepy bleeperson?

  • C Sab

    We know who you are fool. lol Also, all the proof is on this site. Your comment is invalid.

    • Photo Stealers

      It isn’t Bill and Stacie.

      • C Sab

        I didn’t say it was. I assumed it was one of them or an accomplice. lol

  • Photo Stealers

    Probably not a great idea to post from work Craig of Moore Photo in Indianapolis.

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      He posted from his work, which is easily traceable. Not terribly smart.

      • C Sab

        If he was smart, he wouldn’t have been featured on this site because he wouldn’t think he could get away with stealing other peoples’ work.

        • Paul G.

          Poor Craig (but not really). Can’t get away with stealing, can’t get away with trolling.

    • Bob23325

      Can I get you a tissue for that nosebleed Craig? Must hurt to get smacked down like that.

    • hahah busted! I can’t believe how incredibly dumb that was. At least, have balls and post with your real name (or a way to identify you as you can with my Big Fuzzy profile). Coward.

  • C Sab

    Legally as long as we don’t do anything illegal like Bill and Stacie and everyone else featured on this site have done we can do whatever we want. And since we aren’t doing anything wrong (we’re actually doing something very right), there’s nothing anyone can do to stop us.

    Also, what exactly are we getting a taste of? A couple of losers hiding behind bitchpages on FB talking shit to everyone who spreads the word on them because they can’t handle the fact that now everyone knows how pathetic they are even though no-one gives two fucks what they say? Oh yes, we’re really afraid. LOL All you people do is make us laugh, nothing more.

  • C Sab

    If that’s directed at us then I’m afraid you’re mistaken. No damage has been done to us. lol We can easily wave off every pathetic attempt from thieves to fight back against the truth. The thieves can’t. 😉 We have proof and facts, they have nothing but big egos, bad tempers and way too much time on their hands. lol How awful for them. 😛

  • Including the digits to the right of the decimal point?

  • V323

    Like this proof? Just let me know if you need more, there’s quite a bit. 🙂

  • Kimo

    This one should probably stop his “Renfro” act before he moves on to eating spiders.

  • Kimo

    That word is viewed as the worst thing you can call a woman. He uses it to cause to hurt and pain. I’ve mentioned elsewhere, he appears to be quite sadistic based on his comments. I would imagine that he’s both a physical and an emotional sadist.

    Someone like this is often driven by feelings of inadequacy, which create an irrational hatred of the world around them, especially those who point out their perceived inadequacy.

  • Grace Findsme

    So it’s definitely them running the page because they just put up a picture of two of my children. Which is stupid because I’m NOT a photographer, nor do I claim to be. However, they also put up a very popular South Florida photographer’s picture…at least among the mom’s around here…I guess they really want war.

    • LoLTonelica

      They are so precious! Seriously though, adorable babes!

      • Grace Findsme

        Thank you! I think they’re pretty adorable myself…most of the time. I’m not sure what the point of sharing that photo was, other than sharing complete cuteness. I’m not going to be offended by any “critique” as I’m not a photographer.

        Posting Dara Bling was a big mistake if they ever want to go into Business again. She’s huge down here and as nasty as they are to people, they keep going after local photogs, they’re going to run into a real nasty mommy crowd.

        • keca

          Make no mistake, they aren’t really interested in critiques of any photos they share. They are simply nasty, spiteful, hateful people with absolutely nothing better to do.

          • Grace Findsme

            Oh, I know. But now they can’t even pretend to be anyone else. Or claim this is about photography.

          • Guest

            I pm’d you on FB. Might be in your other folder.

    • Annemieke London

      Complete cuteness indeed 🙂 Your children are cute ánd beautiful.

      • Grace Findsme

        Thank you!

    • Bob23325

      There is no question in my mind they are involved. I suspect they’re getting help from past thieves outed on PS. CYBER WAR is making claims about the PS Community Edition FB page being taken down. 39 Likes in 4 days… It’s no wonder Bilcie can’t get any sleep. If the world knew I was a fraud I’d have a hard time getting any sleep too.

      • Grace Findsme

        They’re ruinning it. No other past photographer would have a reason to post my life’s picture. Or know where to find it.

        • Bob23325

          They are heavily involved… no doubt. I still think they are getting a little help.

          • And the funny thing is, EVERYONE knows it. It’s not as if there is ANY doubt as to whom is running those pages (and set them up). MAYBE they’re getting help from former thieves (like that douche that commented recently), but it’s all stemming from them.
            They’d gain so much more credit in my mind if they just owned up to it. and stopped being so cowardly.
            It’s so sad, really.

          • Kimo

            It’s their egos. Egos that can never be justified are threatened by those that can. Egos that merit no credit are often destroyed by the mildest breezes, never mind the storms they bring on themselves.

    • Kimo

      Wonderful kids. They only posted because they can never have anything wonderful like that!

      It’s too bad these bad apples can’t imagine that your children can’t shame you. They have no concept of the joy and love that children bring into our lives, and they will never know.

      • Grace Findsme

        That’s for sure. No way sharing that photo could ever make me mad. Made me smile this morning.

        • Kimo

          Having kids is the greatest joy for most women, and speaking from my experience most men, too.

          My wife made me a better person, and being able to share that “betterness” with ours is awesome! Keep at it!

          • I have four and they are the best things in the world. I love being a mommy.

          • Kimo

            I love being a daddy. I only have one, but her and her mommy are my greatest earthly treasures!

    • Annemieke London

      And I’m not a pro photographer either, I don’t have a ‘business’ as they called it. This selfie was on their page for a while, until I put the link to PS in the description 🙂

      • Grace Findsme

        I wonder if they will remove mine since I changed the description.

        • Careful, that’s what got me banned from FB if you identify them. Just post the link and don’t use their names. Though I’m not sure why FB cares since Billcie claim it’s not them running the page.. oops!

          • Grace Findsme

            I haven’t used their names. I just changed the caption to say I’m not a professional photographer, just a mom.

          • Bob23325

            Yup… My ban was for editing my public cover photo with their names and the PS blog link and challenging them to steal it. They got me on that one. LOL Then a got a remove photo notice for nudity. The only thing close was a photo of a turkey I had deep-fried at Thanksgiving. FB allowed me to keep my naked turkey…

          • That’s what was reported on my page. Nothing else.

          • Phoxy_Photog

            My ban was for posting something about them with their names.

          • Goodfella

            they reported so many of my photos for nudity or graphic violence. They are all Nature photos. They even reported a close up of a dragonfly for nudity…HAHAHA!! They shared 3 photos of mine on their HA page too but I deleted them off my page which removed it from their site too. They also shared a photo on the STD page but didn’t say anything about it. weird. I am blocked from the HA page from makin comments on it.

          • Phoxy_Photog

            You mean, “upps!”

          • Annemieke London

            So I can share the link, just not their names? LOL

        • Annemieke London

          Oh, they will!

    • Annemieke London

      Did anyone notify that photographer???

      • Grace Findsme

        I did.

        • Annemieke London

          Yay!!!

          • Annemieke London

            I hope with a screenshot? Because I’m sure they will delete it now 🙂

          • Grace Findsme

            Yeah. But she is so well established I doubt it will phase her.

    • Danny Downes

      Aah – I’ve just messaged you through FB. I’m sure you’ll rise above their behaviour which clearly belongs in the gutter. Wonderful kids by the way.

    • I just sent you a friend request!

  • Guest

    What shallow pathetic unfulfilled lives they must have. I feel sorry for them because it’s clear they have no potential to be anything more than what they are. There are so many people who have far less and yet still have the ability to contribute in a meaningful way to society. Not them tho.

    • Kimo

      They don’t even have the potential to be what they are.

      • Danny Downes

        I think they set their standards pretty low and fail to achieve them.

      • You can’t fix stupid

        My chickens have more potential than them.

        • Kimo

          Do you know why they each have one more brain cell than a chicken?

          So they don’t crap on the floor.

    • Bob23325

      If you exclude the definition associated with the Internet they are real life “trolls”. No pity party here for either of them.

      • Guest

        How the hell old are these people? I had always assumed they were young because of their juvenile actions so I got curious looked and man, they look like they’re closing in on 50! If they haven’t learned by now they never will…lost causes..time to flush.

        • You can’t fix stupid

          They are 45 going on 3 🙂

          • Guest

            Really, I would have said closer to 50 from their photos, IMO. I also think a 3 year old would be insulted by the comparison but I’ll just chalk it up to you being nice.

        • Phoxy_Photog

          I figured Stacie was younger, like in her 30s, and Bill was in his later 40s. I thought Stacie was a gold-digger but I don’t think Bill has any gold to dig… lol. Surprising to find out Stacie is older. I was judging her age more on her actions and in some photos she looks young.

          • Kimo

            She won’t show anything that makes her look even normal. Her vanity won’t allow it. She’ll never realize that older women can be just as attractive as any younger one. It’s a lot to do with confidence, which she lacks.

          • Just a Girl

            I personally just want to slap a black pointy hat on her head every time she posts a picture. That nose gives her a witchy feeling!

  • Danny Downes

    Essentially, this blog is about “those who shouldn’t be named” so when we add the number of comments on this blog to the number of comments on the SJK blog that’s over 4,000. Is this a record?

    • Has to be!

    • Just a Girl

      No, I think CJ’s was much higher.

      • C Sab

        I think he was 5000 comments.

        • Just a Girl

          Pretty sure there were a lot more on Tumblr that didn’t transfaer over with the move.

          • Photo Stealers

            No, we moved them all I’m pretty sure. I just didn’t move all the comments from old posts. He topped out at 3008.

          • Just a Girl

            Jeez it seemed like soooo many more! Thanks!

      • Danny Downes

        CJ Photography?

  • Their “Selling the Drama” FB seems completely gone. I think it would still show up even if they disabled it for the night, right? I can’t see it at all anymore.
    I guess they’ve shifted operations over to the Cyber War one.
    Pathetic cowards.

    • Bob23325

      I think the post on “STD” where Bill threatened me and called me a “d*ckh#ad” took that page down. At least his new troll pages are easy to spot. Surprised FB made a move. Who knows…

      • JustHere

        Just look for the, um, “cool” all caps and you will find them.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      Well it was a sexually transmitted disease so I am sure it was cured.

      • Just a Girl

        HAHAHAHA There is NO cure for them.

      • Kimo

        Unfortunately for the rest of the world, their lives are an STD.

    • V323

      It appears they have a new one, “cyber war”.

  • Kimo

    We’ve woken the beast!

    • Danny Downes

      I’m blocked from posting on their page as they don’t seem to welcome my helpful and constructive comments which really hurts because I am their biggest fan. I love what they do; it’s so positive and refreshing as well as completely original.

      I love the mangled English, poor grammar, atrocious spelling, the capital letters, the multiple exclamation marks and multiple question marks. It’s all so much fun.

      Life is so unfair. 😉

      • Lorne Chesal

        Danny… don’t you mean LIFE IS SO UNFAIR!!!!!!!!!

        A true fan would have nailed this. 😉

        • Danny Downes

          You’re right – I’m such a loser. 😉

    • Helena

      Haha. Nope!

    • Jenny M

      Doesn’t Facebook ever get a clue when the same person is constantly reporting everyone else?

      • Just a Girl

        I don’t believe it is the same person reporting people. In fact, I KNOW its not.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      No, we aren’t on bans we just don’t give a shit about you and your stupid partner. We have had enough stupid to last us a lifetime. Nobody is interested in you, your shitty pages, and your socks.
      No matter what you say the bottom line is that you stole photos. Both sites had stolen images. Yes and we have proof. Your names are forever shit. You will never be able to get it off Google. Maybe you should take a few minutes and Google “Craig Brittain”. Google never forgets.

      • Just a Girl

        For me, I think the biggest piece of humor in all of this is they think that because people have lives away from the computer that we are afraid of posting on their page or that were all on some silly ban. Just like URTD, I’m STILL waiting for them to find me. They claim to know who everyone is…… LOL
        Sorry Billcie, who has time to pay constant attention to you with all the other Facebook and web pages circulating about you and your stupidity. I know I’d much rather rally/support the positive cause!

        • Grace Findsme

          My theory is why waste the time posting? It’s like a communist country there, any dissenting comments get deleted.

      • V323

        They’re actually PROUD of lying to get people banned. Proud. There really is no hope for them, is there. There isn’t much pettier, shallower, than relying on silly FB bans to feel good about yourself.

        • Just a Girl

          🙂 Hasn’t anyone ever told you “its the small things that matter” lol

          • Kimo

            They have the smallest things… their combined human worth.

    • taking a poo

    • C Sab

      Nope, they haven’t been able to touch my FB. But that’s cause I hide all my posts from them and only friends can see them. 😉 Can’t report what you can’t see.

  • Grace Findsme

    Maybe they should critique this picture that my step father took years and years ago. Only fair since he “claimed” to be a photographer and I’m, well not. Points to whoever can identify the photo!

    • ChrisB01886

      JFK’s rocker removed from the white house following his assassination

      • Grace Findsme

        Winner!

        • ChrisB01886

          Funny, I was just looking at that photo a couple of weeks back in a old copy of the Boston Globe (we were tidying up, honest). The Globe never identified the photographer, only said it was from UPI (I think)

          • Grace Findsme

            Yes, it was by Gary Haynes. An incredibly talented, humble, fascinating man and amazing step father. He was a photographer for the UPI during the civil rights movement and eventually became an editor. According to him, this photo ran front page on all the papers back then.

            He wrote a book called “Picture This” and it is a collection of photos and a glimpse into history. Pretty cheap on Amazon now, for whoever is interested in that type of stuff. Unfortunately, he passed away a few years ago. So this thread has given me a great reason to find some of his photos and writing and brought him back at least for a few minutes.

          • Danny Downes

            Is it just a coincidence that the title ‘Picture This’ is also linked to “her”?

          • Grace Findsme

            I think so.

          • Danny Downes

            I agree.

          • Kimo

            Just remember, even though the pictures bring him back for a moment, he will always be with you.

            It sounds like he never really left, based on your heartfelt comment on his nature!

            BTW, both photos are magnificent.

          • Grace Findsme

            He would say Thank You. I know he will always be with me, it’s just nice to go back and hear his words in my head. When I read articles he wrote, I’m back at the dinner table…where I admittedly didn’t listen well enough the first…Or millionth time he told us a story. And it’s a good reminder for certain people reading that photography is important. Whether it is documenting our own histories or changing the history of the world.

          • Kimo

            Amen!

          • Kimo

            It doesn’t even have to be photos. Every time I eat a tomato sandwich or drink a root beer, it’s like both my parents are right there, comforting me when I had a boo-boo or laughing at my antics. What’s funny about it is, my mom’s still alive, thank God.

            These memories are great, and sharing them with our families is quite rewarding.

    • Grace Findsme

      Or this one. Even though I’m not a photographer, I was brought up to have respect for those who were. And why I think this page is so important.

      • Goodfella

        intense photo! It speaks. I love it

    • Goodfella

      GREAT!

  • Bob23325

    Time to go do something constructive. I’ve put a spin on Jerry Seinfeld’s “Coffee and …”. My version is “Bagels and Bu$$shit”.

  • Phoxy_Photog

    I would be in 100% support of Facebook charging a one-time fee for every profile or page created. Not even kidding. Like $25-$50 each. It’s not too much for the average person to afford, but enough to prevent all these spammers, sock puppets, scams, fakers, trolls, etc.

    Just this week I got two friend requests from extended relatives. One of them I added (thinking I wasn’t already his friend- extended older uncle) and he started messaging me about some lottery. Realizing it was a scam, I asked a personal question and he blocked me. Several relatives of mine posted that the same thing happened to them. Their profiles weren’t hacked at all. Someone grabbed their profile pic and some info and made fake accounts for them, and added their friends and family! Luckily people caught on.

  • MPR1776

    Incorrect, it is called reporting, news reporting, in the US of A, news reporting is covered by the 1st Amendment and as the screen captures are evidence of said copyright infringement along with several comments from photographers whose images were stolen calling out the parties doing the stealing, that is NOT, I repeat…NOT libel. It can only be libel if the statements made are not true. And a reporter does not need to be ‘involved’ in the story to report on it.

  • Phoxy_Photog

    LOL. Except the internet has the proof. The photographers people stole from have the proof. It’s only libel if it’s untrue.

  • Helena

    The cyber war page has now committed copyright infringement and harassment. Another local who really needs to go to the police and file a petition for a order of protection and subpoena the Facebook records and internet records of these morons.

    P.S. I have screenshots.

    • oh wow

      • This is involve the police stuff now.

        • Helena

          Absolutely.

          • I hope I’m not that sad when I’m in my 40s.

          • Bob23325

            I’m just happy I made it through my 40’s without turning into such a huge tool like him. Then again, I was brought up better.

          • Goodfella

            NORMAL people do not! I am in my 40s and I love it. I am very happy 🙂

          • You can’t fix stupid

            I have enjoyed my 40’s more than any other age 🙂 These 2 are the reason why they put warning labels on things.

          • Helena

            Me too. I don’t understand how someone can reach that age thinking this behaviour is okay.

          • Grace Findsme

            Yeah, they’re accusing me of cyber stalking, but I’d like love to know what this is considered.

          • Helena

            I suggest asking the local PD and filing for a restraining order.

          • These two are psychos. And sad.

          • Photo Stealers

            Their hypocrisy slays me.

          • Grace Findsme

            This must have literally went up right after I changed my picture.

          • V323

            You have to take that to your attorney, and send a copy to the judge on the case. Talk about giant hypocrites.

          • Do you have an open case against them right now?

          • Grace Findsme

            No, I don’t. I’m going to take everything I have directly to an assistant state attorney on Monday. I’m not going to play their games. I haven’t had contact with them in over a year and last time I did, she had joined a group I was already a part of. So if anyone is cybwe stalking, it’s them. I’m positive it isn’t illegal to look up a company and see if it is still in business. Not my fault I came across this because they’ve made it so bad for themselves.

          • V323

            Keep it quiet what you’re doing, silently document.

          • Bob23325

            If you report CYBER WARS to FB for harassment you will need the permalink… https://www.facebook.com/#!/permalink.php?story_fbid=1122657474426726&id=1120068368018970

          • Helena

            I think Stacie is jealous of your appearance. You look fab in the pics they posted. 🙂

          • Annemieke London

            Yes, you do, Grace Findsme, you look lovely and I think your lovely son was just about to stick out his tongue to that arsehole.

          • C Sab

            Have you seen how quick she is to mention her weight? She’s definitely jealous.

          • Grace Findsme

            Someone mentioned my weight? Oh well. Happens after giving birth three times in four years.

          • C Sab

            They accuse everyone who mentions anything about then that they don’t want other people to know of being a cyberbullies stalker. Even if it’s public record. They’re just trying to deflect attention away from the fact that they’re hypocrites.

          • You can’t fix stupid

            You have to take this to the police.

      • Helena

        I know right? Unbelievable.

    • C Sab

      Typical cowardice. They wouldn’t have nearly as much bravado if they had to do this in person.

      • Exactly, I made a public offering for them to meet me when I was there, and NOOOOO, that huge pussy never once replied to the many offers to meet up in a public place for them to show me the evidence. Not even a “fuck off” reply to my attempts to set up a meeting. What’d he think I’d do in an IHOP (probably the classiest place they frequent!)
        And you know why? Because they’re both massive cowards.

        • C Sab

          Oh yeah, Bill pretends to be all big and bad when he’s safely hiding online but in the real world he’s just a dickless coward. Even online he’s a coward, only threatens women. Probably cause he’s afraid men like me and you will go down there and put him in his place. The fact he ignored your invite proves it and nothing he says can change that. But I welcome the little bitch to try.

        • I told my husband about this drama and he said no real man would create multiple accounts to start shit with people repeatedly.

          • C Sab

            Well Bill is about as far from being a man as possible.

          • V323

            I think it isn’t gender specific, but rather not HUMANS would ever act like this, male or female. The bombast is epic. There’s just no substance.

          • Don’t use big words. Billcie will think “bombast” is a physical threat to them. Keep it simple yo. 😉

          • You can’t fix stupid

            You need to use little words for little minds. If you call them “thick” they think fat, and so many others. So please for their sake, write as if you are talking to a 2 year old. They seem to understand that.

        • Phoxy_Photog

          They are incapable of adult conversation in real life and on the internet.

    • Phoxy_Photog

      I took screenshots myself just now.

    • Bob23325

      Is Bill being a bully with women again? He won’t pull that crap with a man. He’s real brave when you’re out of state or on the phone. No question who is behind that page now. The Keyboard Coward is going to be a huge train wreck and we will all be watching.

      • Goodfella

        yes! especially to Grace Findsme! She is featured now on that BS Cyber War site. I saw how he talked to women but after finding out he had some kind of domestic violence issue against him…I am terrified by this man. I am trying to found out the court stuff on him.

      • Helena

        They mentioned me in another post too. I feel so special. *cries*

        They also mentioned themselves. Something about the two biggest stalkers in Palm Beach County. 😀

        • Melinda Potter

          Once again they claim they have proof “ALL the messages!” of innocence, yet they don’t share it…sigh…

          Bill, Stacie, I don’t know if you know this or not, but it’s not normal what you are doing.

          Why won’t they stop?! It just baffles me

          • Helena

            It’s like everything else they claim they have. If they actually bloody had it, all this would have been over 3 months ago. It’s pathetic. Like dealing with a petulant teenager.

          • You can’t fix stupid

            Hey I have teenagers and they don’t even act like this.

          • Guest

            It’s typical of an abusive personality…and of someone with little man syndrome…and of a moron…and spoiled brat tantrums. So I’m not surprised. Very telling that they only pick on women. LOSERS!!! Oh ya….CARRY ON!!!!!!!!!!

          • Grace Findsme

            Doesn’t matter, I already put the proof and admitted what I did wrong on this PUBLIC forum. Obviously I didn’t have harrassing them in mind when I found their address. Just stupid and spiteful on my part back then.

            Any other “proof” proves the opposite, that they are staking me.

        • Just a Girl

          At least they recognize that about themselves!

      • C Sab

        To this day he hasn’t responded to the messages me and Al have sent him. Definitely afraid to talk shit to men unless he’s hiding behind his bitch page.

    • Goodfella

      I hope she does

    • V323

      I don’t think anyone should report them. Let them continue. 🙂

      • C Sab

        Me too. I hope he keeps trying to trash talk me as it proves that I’m half as age and yet 100x more of a man than he’ll ever be. 😛 He always makes me laugh.

    • Phoxy_Photog

      I wonder what Stacie’s employer would say about her spending all this time on her phone or whatever during work to create bullying FB pages and bully people.

      • C Sab

        Let’s be real here, she most likely has no job. Neither of them do. And if I’m somehow wrong it’s probably part-time. They spend way too much time doing all this to have meaningful, full-time jobs.

        • JustHere

          You mean she isn’t a bartender in TX making so many digits?

          • Nope. It’s one of the seven other Admins that magically and secretly handle (and surprisingly write in the exact same style!) the “Ha..”page. Nope, totally not Billcie!

      • Just a Girl

        No one in their right mind would hire her!

    • Annemieke London

      I don’t even think you need screenshots. FB keeps a log of all your actions anyway.

  • Celine (peaceetc)

    Everyone, please, I am asking you to stop engaging Bill and Stacie. I understand how tempting it is, with their pages and posts, to want to speak up. But it’s not helping anything. If they harass someone, then it needs to be dealt with, preferably legally. But going on their pages and posting is exactly what they want. They get off on it. Please don’t give them that.

    I write this as me, and I am not representing anyone or anything, nor did anyone ask me to write this. I’m just tired of this whole stupid thing. Grace Findsme, please do follow this up legally, as I think you have a case. That they would post photos of you and your children is disgusting.

    The rest of you — don’t stoop to their level. Please. Don’t create pages and post comments on their pages and all of that. What do you hope to gain? Honestly, I don’t get it, and I don’t want to. You’ll do what you will, but think of how it reflects on the rest of us, and on Photo Stealers itself. If you can’t be the bigger person, then disassociate yourself with me, because I want no part of it.

    • Every fiber in my soul wants to argue with you, but I can’t. I agree. Grrrr..

      • Celine (peaceetc)

        Sorry to harsh your vibe, Fuzzy Man.

        • Yeah, you owe me something I can thrash.. or beer. Or chocolate. 😉

          • LoLTonelica

            Oh my… Can we have a Photo Stealers bake sale?!

          • Bob23325

            I’ll make the Lollicakes! ROFLMAO

          • I hear they’re easy. Plus, then all I have to do is steal other photos of better looking Lollicakes, and BOOM, I can start a business!

          • LoLTonelica

            And here I was, thinking it was better to do things on my own and grow as a person if I wanted to be successful!

            What crazy talk all that is now!
            I’ll just pick up some store bought brownies and cover their sticker with my own, made with love, label that I stole from Etsy!
            Gosh, who knew it was all so easy?

          • Doing this with photography, is even easier! Just start a FB page and website, learn how to right-click and “save as..” and then make up stories (especially about the children) as if you took the photos, and booya, you are a pro. Easy peasy!

          • LoLTonelica

            Everything I know is a lie!
            *weeps*

          • Just a Girl

            There are some listings on here that make ME want to get baked!

          • Kimo

            That sounds like a good idea on the surface. The problem is, at least for me, I’d likely eat up any sale!

            Baked goods… mmmm!

    • C Sab

      They don’t need to be engaged to do this crap.

      • Celine (peaceetc)

        They’re doing it to get a rise out of people, and they are getting it.

        • C Sab

          Only from a few. They want everything to stoop to their level and they won’t stop until we’ve all given up and let them do what they want which will never happen. Also they’re doing it for attention as well, last time everyone ignored them they just did it more.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            Let them. Let them fall on their faces by their own hand. If they do something bad, take it up with Facebook or via the legal system. Just please don’t engage them directly. Every time you respond to them on their pages, then are being rewarded in their minds. To them, any response justifies their actions.

            There is literally nothing you can say to them to change their behavior. They will not stop just because you post something in response. They don’t think like other people, Chris. They crave this. Don’t give it to them.

          • V323

            I see no point in engaging with them on their page(s), they just frickin delete everything the don’t like anyway. Far more entertaining to have the yell into the wind alone, rather them feel validated every time the chickenshitly hit delete.

            Seriously, this is who they are. They thrive on deleting any commentary they don’t like. Why help them?

          • C Sab

            I never do. Their words aren’t worth my direct attention. I just say what I will right here where they aren’t in control and wait for them to come here and see how brave they are then. And I sit here and laugh at them.

          • I hate how right you are.

          • I’m not engaging directly. But I do support corey and Photostealers and will tell everyone about them.

        • LoLTonelica

          No rise, just good laughs.
          Their ignorance knows no bounds and I’m sorry, but I find that humorous.

          • C Sab

            Me too. Bilcie gives me no shortage of amusement.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            To you, it might be funny. To them, they see it as justification for their actions.

          • LoLTonelica

            *groans* Yes Mom.

            I get it, but seriously, if I can’t have a laugh at it, it’s just overly pathetic and is contributing to my faithlessness in humanity.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            I understand that completely. I’m just asking people to not engage them directly. That’s all.

    • captain-confuzzled

      I agree wholeheartedly and at this point in the process, it sometimes begins to look like we are being used in private situations. We’ve seen it before. Those people all need to work out their own situations, it doesn’t have anything to do with photo stealing or business fraud, both of which I think are fair game. But the personal stuff, not really our bag. (also my personal opinion)

      • Grace Findsme

        If you are referring to me, I simply wanted to give you guys more ammo if they tried take anyone to court. I have not posted nor engaged with them anywhere but here.

        • Celine (peaceetc)

          If you are talking to me, then no, I wasn’t referring to you. I think you’ve learned the hard way to stay far away from Bill and Stacie. I hope you do pursue what they are doing now legally, though. Good luck.

          • Grace Findsme

            No, Captain Confuzzled.

          • captain-confuzzled

            Grace, I don’t doubt for a second that stupid stuff is going on that traces back to Billcie, it just gets really difficult on this venue to sort out and get involved in things at that level.

            I hope that you can use all of the info that has been gathered on PS to help you if you need it, and in that sense there is safety in numbers. It is just that at some point the discussion leaves the realm of photo theft and business fraud to a place that in my opinion, we aren’t equipped to deal with as a group.

            If there is specific help that we can provide, my suggestion would be to make a general plea for more private help, where the discussion of details can happen behind the scenes by those who could help you specifically in regards to what has been going on over the past three months here.

            I think you were brave to post here in the first place and I do wish you well and much success in resolving whatever you have suffered from Billcie. And keep in mind that this is just my personal opinion. I do not speak for PS in any official capacity.

          • Grace Findsme

            Found the comments that started it all with them. Our argument did start ironically enough about photography.

          • You can’t fix stupid

            Wow, so mature. Really. Wow. One exclamation mark is all that is needed. Maybe she should be kind to her. I don’t think she finished school.

          • You know, this saddens my heart. I know there are ugly people out there. But to see this type of stuff.. I don’t know how to explain it. With her attitude though she wouldn’t last long up here in Baltimore.

          • Her comments to you are quite revealing. Things do not make one a better person. Moreover, pretending to be able to afford “high end” is just embarrassing. I actually feel badly for her after reading those comments. Those are the words of someone who desperately wants to “be somebody.” She could direct that energy and desire toward something more positive.

          • Phoxy_Photog

            For crying out loud, if she really can afford all those “highend” things, don’t you think she’d live in a much larger and more extravagant house?

          • I admit it. I Google-mapped her house. I wanted to see how “high end” copyright infringers lived. Ain’t nothin’ high about that end of town, but there is nothing wrong with being working class either.

          • Phoxy_Photog

            Oh no, I totally agree. My house is modest and I was finally able to upgrade to an newer but still relatively inexpensive car last fall. I just mean, for talking like she’s thw richest and best there is, and her “six digit” income, reality doesn’t seem to support her claims.

          • I drive a mini van yo! LOL And we rent right now because we sold our house in Texas. And we might be leaving AGAIN in a year from Maryland because my husband is looking at a promotion for work that will relocate us. I don’t want to have to buy another house and go through that same crap again. No way.

          • Helena

            I must admit, I was shocked to see it on Google maps. Not even a gated community. I always see American houses as being much bigger and more spacious.

          • Just a Girl

            You know why they hate Liberals so much? Has nothing to do with Political beliefs…. has everything…… EVERYTHING to do with the fact that some Liberals live a life much higher then they do. It called ethics and integrity…. neither of which they have.

          • Kimo

            I’m pretty sure you”re right about living a higher lifestyle than them. I don’t think that’s because the liberals have ethics and integrity, they are, after all, politicians.

            But, you are 100% right they neither of these 2 have a single shred of ethics or integrity, or decency, etc.

          • Goodfella

            big deal….Steve Weagle, James Wieland, Tyler mauldin and Lisa Vaughn from WPTV and WFLX have featured MANY of my photos too. I had one photo on Weather Nation and several on CBS12 by Jeff Berardelli. Anyone can get a photo on the news. I have a whole album on my Facebook page with the photos that were aired (about 24 of them)

          • Kimo

            Kleptos Monthly? Psychotic Chic Chic?

          • Danny Downes

            I don’t understand this obsession with measuring your life by designer labels; it doesn’t make you a better person. Why pay all that money just for a label? Why brag about it? Why try to use it as a weapon against other people? Why think everyone aspires to wear the same overpriced shit?

            Unless you are called Stacy of course.

          • Goodfella

            I agree

          • Phoxy_Photog

            She needs to fucking spend that money on photography classes (not online degree-factories), professional photography gear, and counseling.

          • Danny Downes

            Much counselling!

          • Spend that money on life classes. Etiquette classes. You know, the stuff “rich people” spend their money on.

          • This

          • Just a Girl

            If Stacy were stranded on an island with a tree she would argue with the tree about every single leaf attached to it.
            .

        • Grace Findsme

          I should have gone with my gut instinct and privately sent it Though. Instead of feeling like there was safety in numbets.

          • C Sab

            There is safety in numbers but even if you were alone there wasn’t anything they could do other than what they’re already doing which means nothing if you just remember that their words mean nothing as they come from two miserable, jealous, insecure people.

          • Grace Findsme

            Yes, but they know my address and I only live thirty minutes away, if that.

          • Grace Findsme

            My back patio door was also open when I got home tonight. But I think I forgot to close it after bringing the dogs in.

          • C Sab

            They wouldn’t do anything in person and if they did they would make it easier to have them arrested.

          • Grace Findsme

            I don’t think so either. Just a crappy day to forget to close and lock the door.

    • Bob23325

      I agree. I have not “engaged them”, but I am not going to lie and say I’m not enjoying it. We’ve all known these two are bat-shit crazy from Day 1. Going onto their stalking pages and commenting feeds their stupidity. I’m just waiting for their heads to implode from not being able to keep up with all their lies and BS.

    • Seems someone wants to fight fire with fire. I understand it but they should stop antagonizing them.
      Sent from a iPhone, please excuse the brevity and typos.

    • Kimo

      The best course of action, if you want to comment of the photo, is to click the photo first then comment. Make no mention of them. That way, they’re less likely to see your comment, and less likely to get hateful on a personal level.

      In fact, they probably won’t see your comment that way. They don’t click the pictures to see every comment, they only look for the reaction their hatred sparks. If they don’t see you hating on them, it burns them more.

      The bible says “If your enemy is hungry, give him food; if he is thirsty, give him water. For in doing so you heap coals of fire upon his head.” It’s the truth, they fume and rage over being either ignored or your kindness and ability to rise above them.

      Unfortunately, it’s one of the hardest things in the world to do!

    • Annemieke London

      You are right, Celine. We should all just ignore it. I did post something this morning, because I simply couldn’t stop myself, because it is so easy to make fun of them. But you are right. Let’s focus on positive things. I think silence will be their hardest penalty.

    • Danny Downes

      Don’t give them any fuel.

  • C Sab

    This applies to Bill and Stacie more than it has ever applied to anyone else ever.

    • Bob23325

      Didn’t they just quote him on something else? Funny how they missed this one.

      • C Sab

        Probably because everyone would make the connection like I just did.

    • Kimo

      It’s notable that they play the victims. They blame their business competition, the politicians, the legal system, them minorities, mostly, they blame us. For them, it’s not about accepting responsibility, it’s about passing it. A society that tells us we are important because we exist, we should be loved because we exist, and we deserve the best because we exist, this enables such a mentality. When we are constantly told things like that, we lose the motivation to earn.

      Honor, integrity, value, esteem, earn, deserve, work, respect, and merit. These words have no place in the vocabulary of these 2. These words are meaningless dictionary fillers that don’t apply to them.

      • Phoxy_Photog

        They keep saying people are attacking legitimate businesses. I don’t care if you are “legitimate” on paper… so are we. Legitimate business DON’T steal property of any other business or person, period.

  • These people are certified crazy.

  • Grace Findsme

    I deleted anyone I don’t know off my friend’s list. Nothing personal, I just don’t know who to trust. I wouldn’t put it past someone to create a fake account and befriend me, just to pull more picture. I’ll be happy to refriend you all when the dust settles.

    • C Sab

      Understandable.

    • LoLTonelica

      I was debating sending you one but didn’t want to cause like, a moment of stress for you. With the littles running around, I’m sure you have enough stress! Not to mention crazy nutjobs who have it out for you 🙁

    • No worries. I’ve been having a Supernatural marathon.

    • Bob23325

      I had to do the same thing. Even new friends from this place. Nothing personal, but if they can get to your images from your FB security not being tight I have to worry about unwanted access to my page. My naked turkey thanks you for your support.

    • Phoxy_Photog

      I generally don’t add people I don’t know… the only exception being some photographers I interact with on a regular basis on FB groups. I do have a lot of people add me, but same here, nothing personal- I like to keep my personal friends list small and limited to people I know.

      • Christopher C.

        “I generally don’t add people I don’t know…”

        This is the safest way (and in my opinion the only way) to use Facebook. With only two exceptions, my friends list is exclusively people I have met and know in real life. I see people with thousands and thousands of friends, and I don’t understand why you’d expose yourself like that. I have less than 150 and they’re all people I actually know.

        The two exceptions are people that I’ve known for a long time, but have never actually gotten to meet in person yet.

  • Grace Findsme

    Good news is…the content with my kids came down. Bad news is, I only know this because I’m up with a sick baby. Thanks to everyone here that reported it (and my mommy friends that may have found this page and reported it).

  • Bob23325

    Today’s episode of “Bagel’s and Bu$$shit” we bring you…. nothing. I think one page has got a wake up call with the new SJK Photography page and the other one is without a question Bill the Keyboard Coward as the troll behind CYBER WAR. I do not condone anyone trespassing. I wouldn’t put up with it here. Home security is important, but when you have to have a 5 camera video system because you’ve pissed off half the planet…. A photo of a person off a security camera video image means squat. Could have been someone delivering his mushroom pizza… hold the pizza!

    • it doesn’t surprise me that they have to put up security cameras around their house. With all of their childish behavior they are bound to piss the wrong person off.

      • Grace Findsme

        They’re pretty common here. We have two cameras because someone kept vandalizing my husband’s unmarked car when we first moved here. We suspect it was the squatters in one of the foreclosed homes. After they left, a lot of the vandalism to our house and others stopped. Luckily the Florida market has started to recover and I don’t think we have any empty homes on the block anymore.

        • My sister had them at her old home. But she likes to start shit with people all the time and people would retaliate.

        • Just a Girl

          Not here. I still live in a place where MOST people are still ok with leaving the doors unlocked at home. NOT me. For me, its instinct to lock every door behind me. So much so that those times I’ve been distracted and left the door unlocked has freaked me out. I’m armed 90% of my day so I’m usually ok coming home to an unlocked door but have to work thru the adrenaline that is automatic.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      Well Stacie’s facebook page is down.

      • Guest

        Yup it is

      • Celine (peaceetc)

        I’m guessing she got hit with a ban, and is still asleep so she hasn’t gone through the screens to agree to the community standards, so her account is offline until then.

        • I called her a cow and she shared a photo from my page that she went digging for. It was 17 degrees out that day and I’m wearing a sweatshirt and my husband’s big fluffy jacket. I’m 130lbs, hardly a cow. The word cow as an insult doesn’t mean fat. It means asshole, rude, and jerk.

          • Kimo

            I thought it meant mindless, grass eating, methane machine! At least you’ve accomplished things she never will!

          • Well that too. If I wanted to make fun of her weight I would call her a whale. There’s no mistaking what I meant there. But I don’t make fun of other’s weight.

          • Kimo

            I’ve been tempted, and even did. Thankfully Corey straightened me out. I was wrong to suggest it, and am glad we have decent people here to keep me in line when I need it.

          • Making fun of people’s weight is just wrong. Calling them out for being in their 40’s and acting like they are 7 isn’t.

          • Kimo

            I agree. They do, however, bring out the mean in people. Though, as I said, we have good people here to keep me in line!

            BTW, I once weighed in at slightly over 300 pounds. You’d think I’d know about making fun of people’s weight.

          • OMG! I have four kids. And two back to back. Talk about heavy! LOL After I had my last kid I was 165. But I got that way under control.

          • Kimo

            It’s hard, but once you do it, it’s such a good feeling. Congrats on your success!

            At least your weight came honestly.

          • I’m ex military so I’m used to working out and eating healthy. Some days though I love a good hamburger.

          • Danny Downes

            Me too.

          • Kimo

            I gave up most starch; rice, potato, soda, and so on. My problem was poorly balanced eating.

          • Phoxy_Photog

            The thing is, before her profile was totally locked down, there was this picture of her and Bill standing wearing some obnoxiously patterned outfits with tropical flower designs. She was hardly skinny. Not huge by any means, but she has NO business ridiculing anyone’s weight as she obviously has been there.

          • I saw that photo. That outfit was hideous.

          • Kimo

            But Billy’s blouse was quite pretty. Just ask Stacie.

          • Real men don’t wear blouses.

          • Kimo

            Don’t tell them.

          • Just a Girl

            No, Bill wears Blouses. Yes, oh YES he does cause something that hideous on a man…IS a blouse!

          • BigAl

            Actually the short battle dress jackets that were issued to the British armed forces from some time in the 1930’s, through until about the early 1970’s and seen in so many WWII war movies, were actually called a Blouse Man’s Battle Dress, IIRC the label correctly. Just saying like. Now in Scotland the correct derogatory phrase would be: You big girls blouse.

          • C Sab

            Especially when she’s engaged to someone like Bill.

          • Just a Girl

            LOLOLOL I just can’t stop laughing! You guys called it right on. They are soooo ego bent they took it as weight based! LOLOLOLOL AND based their decision on a silly web definition! LOL C’mon Billcie….do you not see that every move you make just makes you look that much more stupid! LOL AND by the way… I’m still waiting for you to figure out who I am and find a way to take my FB down… its got LOTS and LOTS of stuff about you. AND the comments are freeeking classic. I wish some of the people commenting would comment here cause you would seriously run away with your tails tucked and your mouths whimpering! Come on, Billcie, direct challenge… ;P

          • Phoxy_Photog

            But I like cows, because they give me amazing cheese. Yes, I spent $10 on a small brick of 10-year-aged cheddar the other day. Take that for high-end, Stacie! lol

          • Cheese is good!

          • BigAl

            Mmmmmmm Cheeeese! Love Cheddar too. In a nice big doorstep sandwich, with a couple of thick slices of fresh bread, preferably a Crusty Bloomer, with the poppy seeds on. Thrown on some Branston pickle and consume with a couple of pickled onions. Or if I’m feeling really daring I’ll have the Haywards Piccalilli Mustard Pickle, for a real man sandwich.

          • now I’m breaking out the cheese and crackers

          • BigAl

            Don’t I know I have Ritz crackers in the cupboard, and some cheddar in the fridge, but it’s like midnight here, and I’m supposed to be on a diet. Well my daughter is doing slimming world, so I am sort of too. She does most of the cooking. At around 240Lb I really need too lose some as well though.

          • Kimo

            Cheese and crackers once in a while won’t hurt!

          • Phoxy_Photog

            Cheese is an excellent clean source of protein.

          • Kimo

            Good cheddar, or Gouda, or Swiss…

          • Just a Girl

            BLECH!

          • Kimo

            ???

          • She is an idiot and a cow.
            Now i fully expect her to find an image of mines and post it

            Sent from a iPhone, please excuse the brevity and typos.

          • Bob23325

            Calling her a cow is actually not fair to the livestock. Quit being mean to cows. Cows are much better behaved.

          • I don’t know, perhaps the application of a cattle prod might just work….

          • Melinda Potter

            I use it in place of the other C word while thinking of the other C word in my head (only if it was earned). It’s just a little nicer than saying you know what. I’ve never even thought of it being about weight or physical appearance.

          • Helena

            Cow isn’t a weight reference, unless, like these two, you are cripplingly insecure. I wasn’t this bothered about my weight when I weighed 170+lbs. Honestly, I pity them. It must be hell living in a world where you are this insecure and hateful.

          • we tend to call people Clint…. for those who might not get it, put your caps lock on and type c *space* li *space* n *space* t

      • I blocked that cow.

    • Annemieke London

      He mentioned it was taken with his phone. Why on earth would you make a video with your phone if you have 5 cams to do the work???? 🙂 It could be the pizza guy, he was checking his phone for the next delivery.

      • Danny Downes

        I read what he/she put as he took a photo of the computer monitor which was showing the cctv pictures … with his/her phone.

        • Annemieke London

          then it must have been the pizza man :p

    • Phoxy_Photog

      I like mushrooms on my pizza.

      • Bob23325

        In case you missed it over 2,000 comments ago… I told Bill to stay out of the cow pastures down there. THOSE mushrooms were not good for him. Only someone eating THOSE mushrooms could come up with the delusional BS he is trying to pass off as reality.

        • Phoxy_Photog

          I am sauteeing some portabella right now.

        • Just a Girl

          HAHA! Perfect for “NO, fungus among us!” I HATE mushrooms. YUCK

  • How’s everyone today? I had a real photoshoot today. No right click and save stuff. Also I want to thank Al for CC me on my website. I will be working on it this week. It’s such a mess. I haven’t had a solid moment to sit down and work on it. I really need to.

    • I’m good thank you 🙂 a new band was put together in my home town and they played their first ever show on Thursday and I was invited along to take photos by the promoter / if anyone wants to have a look at them, you can find them here (expenses paid and a free access all areas pass for my daughter and I is payment enough) http://www.facebook.com/dog8myscreenie/media_set?set=a.978109375534241.1073741856.100000055630875&type=1&pnref=story

      I will admit that a lot of them are grainy, as the lighting was awful, flash wasn’t allowed and when my camera gets up to ISO 3200 things tend to get noisy. I think that I was able to use the grain to good effect during post production in some shots though. I know I need to invest in some faster lenses, but I think a better camera is my priority, so I’m saving for a full frame. Anyway, feel free to critique them too, I’ve got thick skin ;0)

    • Just a Girl

      Just dandy!!! That little girl in the dark blue dress (2 photos before Snow White) in your Portfolio is ABSOLUTELY adorable!!

      • Curly hair? That’s my daughter. Thank you 🙂

        • Just a Girl

          Yes!! Shes like the perfect little Cherub!

    • Phoxy_Photog

      I had a real photo session today too. All my own work was posted even! Who woulda thunk?

      • Kimo

        Nice shots. Your fine art stuff has some real gems in it.

    • Kimo

      You do some really nice work! I think between you and Al, you’ll have a show stopper in no time!

    • Grace Findsme

      We had an AWESOME, relaxing day at the pool with friends and then met back up for some awesome Greek food and wine, while the kids all watched Big Hero 6.

    • Helena

      I was busy with my kids and husband. Lunch out, shopping, and gardening. I’ll be taking a family photo in 10 days when my daughter has been out as long as she was in. 🙂

    • V323

      Just catching up here, spent 9+ hours helping the booth for the rescue I volunteer with Saturday. Too hot already! Grabbed dinner & a drink after, came home & went straight to bed. The events can be tiresome, because I’m always there start to finish, but rewarding when you see past fosters, find new families for current fosters. Sunday morning coffee, then editing to commence & prep for the shoots this week.

  • Kimo

    Lately, when I read their stuff, I’m hearing Cartman’s hateful voice. Like when he sings about Kyle’s mom…

  • Phoxy_Photog

    They love thinking they hold all the power. Except the joke is on them. I’ve almost gotten to the point to feel sorry for them, but nope, not yet.

    • Kimo

      Yeah, the same here. Read Freud sometime. His description of things seems to fit these 2 to a tee. What’s strange, though, is that Freud was way off on most things.

    • Just a Girl

      Oh. believe me… just when you THINK you are feeling sorry for them they will do something stupid that reels you right back into rational thinking. Been there, done that, MULTIPLE times since January. There is just no feeling sorry for them. NONE.

    • C Sab

      They’ve thought they had the power since the beginning but that’s just their narcissism. They really have no idea that were winning.

  • Thank you for sharing my photo though. Because of that my fan count just shot up again and I booked another session. You’ve given me 40 new people and a few new jobs. Thank you Stacie. <3

  • Bob23325

    To set the record straight… I did not create those 2 pages. I am not the admin. I have to admit it was a stroke of genius by whover did. I’ve told the Keyboard Coward multiple times to just “bring it”. Quit talking about it… and do it. When their attacks stop I’ll stop, but he’s forever on my shit list for his continued bravado, lies, and general hosebag behavior. If he wants to continue to escalate the situation with me he is in for more than he bargained for. I have 20 more years of dealing with a-holes under my belt and he doesn’t want to see what I can come up with. It will be on my terms…. I’m sorry if anyone feels I should just curl up and watch the continuous bullying from these two from the comfort off my keyboard… It’s obvious there are a couple of us that are just tired of their shit and we’re not the type to back away from a-holes like this. CARRY ON!!!!

    • I didn’t make any pages either. That’s way too much energy for me.

    • Phoxy_Photog

      Me either. I don’t think it was a good idea, but I have to admit it is a little funny.

      • I think its hilarious something i would do but cant …smh

        Sent from a iPhone, please excuse the brevity and typos.

    • C Sab

      I’m with you. I can be quite devious when necessary.

  • Phoxy_Photog

    Stacie doesn’t like that I have some used shoes and swimsuit tops for sale locally. She also told my great-aunt that I’m a liar and a harasser. My great-aunt. Pretty sure she knows me quite well.

    • Kimo

      That’s why I’m glad they got my FB closed. I didn’t need it before, and certainly don’t now!

      • Justin Justice to the rescue!

        • You can’t fix stupid

          that is them as Stacie has been hit with a ban.

          • I figured as much. I’m not worried about it. It’s truly sad.

        • Kimo

          I’m lost now.

        • Bob23325

          Well crap on a cake pop… Justin Justice? How many sock puppet accounts has this clown created?

          • Phoxy_Photog

            I’m telling you. FB needs to charge a fee for every account created.

          • Grace Findsme

            How about you just eat one instead? They’re too good to crap on.

          • Bob23325

            Big woop… a fancy donut hole on a stick. IMO not worth $2.50 to $3.00 a pop (see what I did there? yuk, yuk). That’s what someone was charging from what I read in an on-line magazine article….

          • Dunkin Donuts!

          • Bob23325

            We have a couple Krispy Kreme donut shops here. I hate that orange glow from the neon “Hot and Now” signs… It draws me like a moth to a flame. LOL

          • Grace Findsme

            I made these ones. They were free and delicious.

          • Grace Findsme

            Well, not free. I did have to pay for ingredients.

          • You can’t fix stupid

            Poor Justice is gone 🙁

          • Just a Girl

            Poor Justice needs to get more original. WHAT A Joke!

    • Melinda Potter

      But, I bet she didn’t know your screen name… Errrrrrrr I mean your “fake” name on discus! So there 😛
      Roxie,
      It was really good seeing/looking at your pictures again and seeing some of your newer stuff was really nice 🙂 Im glad I got a little reminder about you from Stacie, and it’s good seeing you here at photo stealers too! Do you plan on sticking around even after this SJK fraudographer thing is over?

      • Melinda Potter

        Ooops I just realized that I sound like a creeper if you don’t remember me. Lmao I know you from YANAP go ahead and click on me and you dpshould be able to get to my port that way. Maybe you’ll remember it? Regardless I’m not a creeper I swear! Hahaha

        • that’s what I tell everybody 😉

        • LoLTonelica

          That’s where I know both of you from! lol.
          Oh YANAP and PS, bringing people together.

      • Phoxy_Photog

        Haha thanks! Yeah I commented on PS here and there before this story broke.

    • Phoxy_Photog

      So I made that album private, but it still shows up as shared on the page. Shows it now say “attachment unavailable” to others?

  • Bob23325

    What a tool… Another harassing post from CYBER FART. To keep this page somewhat clean of any negativity I won’t share the latest tantrum. It’s a good thing the SJK Photography admin isn’t known for crude retorts after deleting posts…

  • HAHAHH I saw this coming and “Stacie’s” dumb ass fell for it.
    All I did was agree that she is a “COW” dies…

    • You can’t fix stupid

      Joseph, you should know by now that they don’t get it. Oh man the list of their “stupidisms” is growing. Can you imagine if you called her a “thick cow”.

      • Helena

        Technically, it’d be a heifer. 🙂

      • Phoxy_Photog

        Yeah, she thought my swimsuit bikini tops I had for sale on my personal page were used bras. Can’t read or not smart in general.

    • Bob23325

      For the record… I did not call her a cow. I said “Calling her a cow is actually not fair to the livestock. Quit being mean to cows. Cows are much better behaved.” What a twisted tool….

  • Bob23325

    I really don’t know who is posting on the “Ha” or CYBER FART page from that SJK or Lollicake page, but I hope they won’t do it any more. That is engaging them directly. If the trolls want to see what is going on they know how to do what they do best… troll on over to it. As long as there are no names or links from those pages FB has no reason to take the SJK or Lollicake pages down. Don’t ruin it!

    • Just a Girl

      Yeah, I agree. If you want to vent call a friend. :)))))

      • Bob23325

        DO NOT ENGAGE THEM IN THEIR FB PAGES! If they are harassing a photographer (or anyone that commented on their BS tactics) send them a PM and the link to the PS page for SJK…. not the FB SJK.

        I can see Bill whining to FB that there are people being mean to him by calling him “The Keyboard Coward”. He would have to admit to them that it is him for it to work. He’s just dumb enough to try it.

        EDIT: BTW… I’m hanging my fanny out on the SJK page by commenting there. If I get a ban because someone is ENGAGING THEM I’m going to be pissed. PLEASE DON’T RUIN IT!!!

        • Kimo

          Yeah, he would do that. To paraphrase Oingo Boingo “It’s a pity party, who could ask for more? It’s a pity party, leave your conscience at the door.”

        • Just a Girl

          Say what??? *I* haven’t engaged them on those pages. At least not since the HA page first appeared.

        • Bob23325

          EDIT to the EDIT: I saw where SJK posted again to the CYBER TURD page so I removed my comments and likes. It was not FB or the trolls. I’m not going to hang my ass out there for someone to keep poking them with a stick. Don’t get me wrong… I Love the pages! I’ve got something I’m working on…. I posted this here too to make sure there was no question about who removed what.

    • Oh great now B&S will be even more bitchy.

      Sent from a iPhone, please excuse the brevity and typos.

    • Bob23325

      EDIT to the EDIT: I saw where SJK posted again to the CYBER TURD page so I removed my comments and likes. It was not FB or the trolls. I’m not going to hang my ass out there for someone to keep poking them with a stick. Don’t get me wrong… I Love the pages! I’ve got something I’m working on….

  • Kimo

    At first, they sounded like Deputy Dawg or maybe Chumley from Tennessee Tuxedo. As time goes on, I’m sure they’ll start sounding like someone else!

  • Bob23325

    Good morning! This will be the last edition of “Coffee and Bullshit” on this page.. I will be creating my own community page to document the continuing saga of the trolls from Delray Beach. In this morning’s edition I noticed quit a few of the photos up for “critique” are gone. I really don’t think FB has a clue what these trolls are really up to, so I doubt they were removed by FB. It looks like the photographers being attacked are just deleting the photo from their FB page. That drops the shared link immediately. Just share that little tidbit in a PM and problem resolved. If they leave the photo up it’s on them. CYBER TURD has 1 new Like! Let’s share a round of applause… A new sock puppet account in the name of Justin Justice appeared yesterday… and disappeared just as quickly. The Keyboard Coward has been busy! Have a great day everyone!

    • I didn’t remove my photo. I Guess facebook saw their bullying and harassment of me. I’m welcoming either of them to call me direct so we can discuss why exactly she has a problem with me.

      • Bob23325

        Removing the photo from one’s own page is the quickest way to see it go away. Sure it’s inconvenient, but it shouldn’t be on that page at all in the first place.

    • Phoxy_Photog

      My image that was shared was not deleted, but the share disappeared two days later. Maybe she realized how much good publicity the share gave me???

      • Helena

        They remove the shares before the ban hammer can fall. They are ever so scared of Facebook bans I imagine.

        • C Sab

          They’re afraid of more than that. They’re afraid of everything. Why else would they hide behind the safety of their pages and not pull their crap anywhere else?

        • V323

          I think they remove the shares if a) they don’t get the negative feedback they want & b) the photographer actually gains from the attempt at trashing.

          • Helena

            Everyone gained. Even the picture of my daughter got a load of likes. This has backfired completely and if they can’t see that they are blind.

        • You can’t fix stupid

          OMG that is so pathetic. They are sooo scared of FB LOL what a f’ing joke, brilliant. They are such little squishy worms. All big talk and no action. They don’t stand by what they say and everything gets pulled down. Wow Bill is such a man.

    • Grace Findsme

      Making the image private also in a sense removes it. I made the picture of my son and daughter private and now only I can see it on the Ha page.

  • this just flashed across my Facebook feed…. Is it wrong that I spat coffee on my computer? Timing ftw

    • Danny Downes

      Cows and socks – quite fitting really.

    • Kimo

      This is perfect on so many levels!

    • Just a Girl

      I’m waiting for Billcie to climb on the cow the right way so he can ride it right out of town..instead of letting the cow ride him in alll the wrong directions!

  • Phoxy_Photog

    Have they never heard of a screen name before? They keep calling them “fake names.”

    • C Sab

      They’ll make up whatever excuse they can to bash people.

    • Helena

      LOL. Even mine, which is, you know, my name. My actual name. 🙂

  • Christopher C.

    Corey,

    I know I am MASSIVELY late to this party, mainly because I never did see a “discussion” link attached to this post. I still don’t, but I did find a way in through the comments feed.

    Anyway, rather than try and re-state what others have already said far better than I can at this point, I just wanted to pop in a short note to say “thank you” and “we support you.” I mean shit, it’s nothing you don’t already know and lord knows I’ve had some minor disagreements with others here about how the community handles stealers that you’ve posted. But one thing we all have – in universal agreement – is an understanding of how important and valuable this website is.

    Believe it or not, Bill and Stacie are the absolute perfect example of why PS is necessary and wonderful. They treat people like garbage. They shit all over society because they feel like they’re entitled to being treated better than anyone else. They do what they want, and expect no repercussions for the shitty things that they do. And honestly, they probably haven’t gotten much in that regard.

    Until you came along.

    The reason Bill and Stacie are so incredibly pissed off at you and everyone who supports you is because for once, someone held up a mirror to them and they caught a glimpse of what they are – and they HATED IT. Their vehement and unending retaliation is their way of cocooning themselves in a tight blanket of denial, painting themselves as victims rather than perpetrators. I know it’s frustrating for you. Truly. But between the anger and frustration, try and take away some delight in knowing that these two despicable people have been wound up SO TIGHTLY, you are going to recover long, LONG before them. (If they EVER do.)

    You have a large community of people who support you. Again, I know you know that, but it’s times like this and people like this who show that reinforcing what you know to be good and true isn’t a bad thing. We’ll continue to support you.

    All the best.

    • Helena

      I know we’ve had our disagreements in the past, but this is pretty much perfect.

    • Photo Stealers

      Thank you Christopher!

  • Billice/Stacie and supports just flagged over 700+ posts and counting it’s very time consuming for them.
    All I did was select all flagged and approve … Took literally 10 secs smh.

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      Yeah, I can promise them it took far less time to approve them than it did for them to flag them. If they’re willing to waste their time like that, then they should consider getting a better hobby. Maybe pottery? Crochet? Beating their heads against the wall? There are so many options available.

      • The only annoying thing is removing all the email flagging notifications but its a small annoyance …. A sacrifice i am willing to endure :p
        Sent from a iPhone, please excuse the brevity and typos.

        • Grace Findsme

          Is that why comments occasionally disappear?

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            It’s usually because Disqus is weird and doesn’t display things properly – reloading can make comments disappear which are still there, which is annoying. But, yes, sometimes comments get flagged and need to be reapproved by a moderator.

          • Grace Findsme

            Okay. Thanks. Sometimes I see my comments gone and think I’ve said something wrong, but then they appear again. This while format is a little confusing too sometimes.

          • Yes but we put them back..

            Sent from a iPhone, please excuse the brevity and typos.

      • Bob23325

        I was going to suggest photography… but after all their BS I forgot that’s how all this started. LOL

      • Penmar

        I think maybe they have already beat their heads against the wall, would certainly explain the brain damage.

  • Kimo

    I just got told by a friend that someone is starting a FB account with my old name from here. If you see something from Aloha Nui, it’s not me.

    I can’t verify it though, just going off what someone told me. They might be up to something.

  • Bob23325

    Even more bravado from CYBER TURD. I wonder who he had to lie to to get some attention? What is he and his one follower up too? Oh, I forgot… more threats of things to come (or not). What’s going on over at the “Ha…” page? Let me check… Oh… NOTHING! Not a peep out of those 7 admins in over 24 hours. My naked turkey is still on my FB page too. Tomorrows Code Name is CYBER TROLL.
    MMMMOOOOOOOOO! CARRY ON!!!!

    BTW… I think I can see the blood vessels popping out on his forehead all the way here in VA.

    • C Sab

      You’re only seeing them now. I’ve seen veins in his head since day 1. Pretty sure they’re a permanent thing. Lol

  • Penmar

    More threats…….

    • We are all running for cover..

    • Melinda Potter

      If anyone honestly wants to help them and genuinely has their best interests at heart, they would tell them to stop everything they are currently doing to themselves. They would say what we’ve all tried to say to them from the very beginning of their shenanigans. If anyone is attempting to “help” them they wouldn’t incourage them to continue dragging their own names through the mud. Tread lightly Stacy and Bill. I think you may be getting played (if what you are saying is true)

      • Phoxy_Photog

        They have been advised from the start to take the high road, but unfortunately their skulls are too thick and must have taken those statements as a challenge. I think all of the photo stealers were advised,and truthfully I have hoped they all realized their wrongdoings and became better and more honest people. But you can only do so much. Some people are just bad people.

        • You can’t fix stupid

          Stacie doesn’t have a thick skull, remember she is thin! Baby words for the two of them. Baby words

          • Just a Girl

            YES! TRUE! Do not use the word “thick” for Stacies way of thinking. She automatic goes to putting it to her waistline. Like any of us care. They are the ones that started the image shaming…. but apparently its ok for them but not anyone else.