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AMB Photography in Marion, Ohio

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I see this time and time again… a photographer using someone else’s images in a genre they are looking to expand into. ย  Here we have a photographer who is looking to get into weddings and posted a few images from weddings she claims to have photographed in Florida. ย  She didn’t.

 

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  • Haha, even watermarked em! Nice!

    • MississippiMadness

      WHICH IS A MAJOR NO NO… aside from the infringement.

  • peaceetc

    “It’s time to dig into the vaults.” Too bad they weren’t her vaults. She can’t even claim she used them as “inspiration,” as she clearly indicates they were her own images.

  • eric

    wait, so who is the stealer here? “I DO” or “AMB”

    the “I DO” photos are all cropped compared to AMB’s, which makes it a bit confusing…

    • Paul Ferrer

      AMB is the photo thief…

    • Joel

      Generally the company or person’s name that is the thief, is the header of the page.

    • Photo Stealers

      AMB. They just happened to take EVERYTHING from I Do.

    • guest

      wondering the same, as per her “old” facebook page she was in Florida for a time, but she did take the photos down and disable comments on current FB, so seems like that would indicate some guilt

  • WOW just went to her page already changed her photos. Lets hope she stops stealing other photographers work!

  • Disappointed

    Par for the course… she deleted all the photos and comments from her FB page and is just going about her business like nothing ever happened. I REALLY wish someone would steal MY photos, because you can bet your ass that I would prosecute them to the full extent of the law. The reason this epidemic is so prevalent is because there are never any serious repercussions.

    • Bhig Bhad Wolf

      I feel the same way, though I’m no professional. I’d love to take one of these assholes to task.

  • Disappointed

    And now she has disabled comments on her FB page… People like this really make me mad, because it’s the unsuspecting couple who hire her to shoot their wedding that will be in the for the surprise of their lives when they see that AMB Photography and Allison Bumgardner are just big FRAUDS.

  • Bhig Bhad Wolf

    “Dig into the Vaults”…. what the Bullshit Vault?

    • captain-confuzzled

      I think it’s called something like the “INTERNET” lol

  • Just checked out her FB page and saw that she’s in my area. I hope she doesn’t get any wedding bookings from her false advertising. Stealing photos is bad enough, but I always feel particularly bad for people when it’s their wedding photos that suck. You can’t do those over again.

    • C Sab

      Well you could always spread the word in your area. They do say word of mouth is how most businesses get clients.

  • sue

    ok, stealing photos is bad enough, but how on earth can you create or even steal the creative ideas behind that images and then put it into realisation for your client. If you are good, you good no need to steal. if you not good, someway or another, I bet there’s some people are just happy to pay cheap in return for bad photos as long as they have pictures they can announce to friends they pay professionals.get a life stealers. I constantly learning self taught my craft , cracking my head for new ideas. i open my eyes wherever I go , scouting location . it is endless. and one came long and took my work??

  • Steven Joseph

    Since she’s disabled commenting on her fauxtography page, I doubt my comment on Allison Bumgardner’s Bridal Boutique page will last very long. Here’s a screen cap.

    • Steven Joseph

      Already deleted from her boutique page. I’m going back in …

  • Eric Lefebvre

    Comments are disbaled just as I was typing one.

    She says this:
    AMB Photography You will get a disc with a copyright so you can make unlimited prints.

    I had a witty come back about not knowing the definityon of the term copyright considering she has violated other photographers copyright by using their images.

    ZING!

  • Allison Bumgardner

    First off I did not steal those photos someone else did. I bought those photos from a stock website. Im sorry I never have done so but someone else is stealing your photos and selling them to others. Now please leave my page alone. I have taken all photos down and will not put them back up.

    • Amanda

      “Someone else did”….You bought pictures off a stock site…I thought you said you “got them from the vault”…..This whole thing stinks. Why not just be honest with your client base and admit you messed up? Not cool, dude….

    • captain-confuzzled

      perhaps you would share with us which stock site and which photos you bought specifically from them. Should be easy enough. Although that doesn’t explain putting your logo all over them

    • Eric Lefebvre

      While it is good that you bought the images, you may want to contact you micro stock agency … most of them have this clause where you aren;t allowed to infringe on someones copyright and claiming you took those images is a violation of the authors moral rights.

      Moral rights are rights of creators of copyrighted works generally recognized in civil law jurisdictions and, to a lesser extent, in some common law jurisdictions. They include the right of attribution, the right to have a work published anonymously orpseudonymously, and the right to the integrity of the work.[1] The preserving of the integrity of the work bars the work from alteration, distortion, or mutilation. Anything else that may detract from the artist’s relationship with the work even after it leaves the artist’s possession or ownership may bring these moral rights into play. Moral rights are distinct from any economic rights tied to copyrights. Even if an artist has assigned his or her copyright rights to a work to a third party, he or she still maintains the moral rights to the work.[2]
      Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights

      So while you do have rights to the images you cannot claim that you created them.

      You might want to review your agreements and maybe contact a lawyer.
      .

      • Jo Marie

        Not sure if it really matters, i’m sure it does to anyone doing business with her but AMB photography is NOT even registered as a business or trade name/ficticious name with the state of Ohio! I would think that if you’re doing business like this and building your name, you would at least make sure that you are official in some way.

    • C Sab

      Yeah ill believe that when I see it. Btw, buying them off a stock site doesn’t mean you can pass them off as yours.

      Also blocking people and deleting their comments only further proves your guilt.

    • Paul Ferrer

      Stock site? If you purchase a photo from a stock site the first thing you do is slap your logo on it? Please just stop with the lies right now. You are only making this worse for yourself. If you are going to lie to our faces (actually comment section, lol) just don’t even come on here to say anything at all

    • Lydia B

      Hello Allison, darling. My name is Lydia, I am the photographer you stole the photos from. Nice to meet you. Where did you say you bought my photos? If you’re referring to my craigslist ad for Smart Film & Photo, too bad for you, as that’s my company as well along with The “I Do” Photography. And regarding “leave my website alone”, how about a “thank you for not suing my ass” instead?

      • Marc W.

        This just got good. *gets popcorn*

      • Cinobite

        “I Do” Photography…. that makes so much more sense now that I’ve read it with the quotation marks ๐Ÿ˜›

      • Marionite

        Please sue her. She is a joke. YOUR pictures are beautiful btw

      • mia

        Lydia, a tip of the hat, both for your exquisite photos and for your extreme self-composure.
        Thus said, you have been MORE than graceful in waiting for an apology. Instead, you have received lies, excuses, rudeness, and sob stories. If it had truly been an error, from ignorance or inexperience, most people would have complied with your simple request for a public acknowledgement and apology. The fact that this person can’t comprehend something as simple as this would lead me to believe that she is lacking the basic moral fibers involved in business ethics.
        There is always hope. Check out this post, and read the comment afterwards, by a man named Mike:

        http://fstoppers.com/this-guy-stole-photography-from-wrong-person-me

    • Joseph Philbert

      @Allison Bumgardner Every thief says that … its CLASSIC ” I bought those photos from a stock website.”

    • Cinobite

      So you can show us the receipts for them then? Thought not.

    • Melinda Potter

      Oh! Is this the “apology” I keep hearing about? (Just decided to scroll through all the comments, and finally saw this) Ummmmmmm… You may want to look up the definition of apology because this isn’t it. Not even close

    • ron

      If this is the case you should be sue the stock site you bought them from.

    • Photo Stealers

      a) almost all stock agencies do not allow you to use the stock images to represent your work in a portfolio in the Terms of Use.

      b) you said you shot these images in Florida.

      c) the photographer never sold these images to a stock site, nor do they appear on any stock sites. Show us where they were purchased from. Should be pretty simple to send us a URL.

  • Steven Joseph

    OK, now I can no longer post to her Bridal Boutique wall. Anybody else wanna try?

    • C Sab

      I don’t think comments can be posted anymore

    • But you can leave comments on their individual images.. ๐Ÿ™‚ I think links on each of her photos to this site would be a nice addition.. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Amanda

    The “excuses” these folks come up with make my head hurt. I would have so much more “respect” for them as human beings and quicker to forgive their transgressions if they just said “Hey, I messed up. I knew I wasn’t a very good photographer and I did something stupid, I stole. Please forgive me”

    But none of them ever seem to SAY that.

  • Steven Joseph

    Does it chap anybody else’s backside that this woman appears to be ignoring the fact that she just got caught stealing photos? Does anybody else want to see her acknowledge what she’s done, and hear her apologize to the victim and to the photography community? I just sent her a private message via her bridal boutique page. What do you think?

    • C Sab

      A lot of these thieves refuse to admit it. They just block everyone who exposes them, deletes comments and moves on acting like they’re in the clear

  • captain-confuzzled

    and chiming in from the Better Business Bureau website – well to be fair, one good review and one complaint, both are shown.

    • Cinobite

      You bloody americans need to learn how to write the date correctly ;P

    • Cinobite

      I don’t know how people can be so bad at running a business. These people literally think all they need is a camera and to take snaps to put on a disc. The fact that $500 for a wedding is ridiculously low aside – if I had work that I had promised to do I would – and have many times – stayed up all night to do it. Only this weekend I worked 16 hours on Saturday, 4 hours sleep followed by another 14 hour working day Sunday. And I often put things off if I can!

  • Allison Bumgardner

    Im sorry but I said I was sorry for posting someone else’s photos, I took them down. This was the first time I ever did this. Again im sorry. Please stop posting on my page now. OH AND I JUST HAD A FREIND SEND ME THIS. SO SOMEONE ELSE IS STEALING THE PHOTOS. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/evs/4326315154.html

    • captain-confuzzled

      thanks for the true Laugh Out Loud!!! *still giggling* “someone else is stealing the photos” bahahahahaha

    • Amanda

      You said you were sorry on your page? I think I missed that.

      Must have taken that down quickly. And…um…does it really matter that someone else stole the same pictures? Doesn’t make what you did correct or ethical, hon.

      I would come clean on your page, this could spell bad things for your business….which from the looks of your BBB rating has already taken some “bad customer service complaint” hits.

    • Eric Lefebvre

      Thanks for the heads up on the other thief. You know, it could be worse. The photographers could have sued you for 150,000$ per infringing photo.

      Then add in the people in the shots themselves for using images of them without model releases?

      On top of that customers could have filed a “false advertising” claim.

      You really have to be careful with issues like these.

      Also, how would you feel if people started using YOUR photos for gain without permission or compensation?

    • Paul Ferrer

      Well now you admit itโ€ฆfinally. And way to pass along the info about someone else stealing the photos to take the heat off of yourself.

      BTW – I believe the site you are blaming are the original owners. Maybe you should apologize to them twiceโ€ฆ.

      • captain-confuzzled

        and the owners have posted a lovely note on their Facebook page about the theft, hey all press is good press, right?

        • C Sab

          So some people think.

    • R

      When did you apologise? Was it between deleting all the posts?

    • Eric Lefebvre

      Also, the link you provided us appears to “potentially” be one of the photographers you stole from … or so he claims on FB.

      “Just found out about a thefty photographer who has been using our photos as theirs! Seeing someone else’s logo all over you photo is disgusting….REALLY, AMB PHOTOGRAPHY?!”
      source: https://www.facebook.com/SmartFilmAndPhoto

      • Photo Stealers

        The craigslist ad is indeed for the same photographer, I Do Wedding Photography is a division of Smart Films.

    • Melinda Potter

      If you are ok with what you did and feel we are out of line posting a link to this blog on your page, then why delete our posts? Let your clients read and judge for themselves. Could it be that you are full of it?

      • C Sab

        I believe that might be the case.

    • Allison, you can post your public apology for stealing my photos here: https://www.facebook.com/SmartFilmAndPhoto
      Would it also help to give you my personal facebook along with facebook pages of the couples in the pictures just so it starts feeling a little more personal? It’s easy to download some random photo from the internet, maybe this way you’ll realize it’s people you’re stealing from.

      • Cinobite

        I see there’s nothing there yet…..

    • Nomee

      I believe some people are ignorant to the fact that using another photograph to promote work they would like to offer is illegal, but you said in your posts that you took the photos. Toy had to know that was wrong. Your apology on this page doesn’t mean much if you don’t apologize to your clients who were dooped into believing the photographs are yours. Dos you book sessions/weddings because of the false advertising? Those profits should not belong to you (if you profited at all). I am all for accepting apologies but not when they are backhanded and hidden in the comments of a page for clients may never see.

      • Cinobite

        Exactly! Half of this is a mistake the other half is an outright lie. It’s one thing to use Google’d images because you’re too stupid to know that stealing is wrong, but even a 2 year old knows that lying is wrong – and in cases such as this actually illegal.

        Identity theft, fraud, false advertising, copyright infringement. I hate to be on the receiving end of something like that

    • I have been a photographer for over 6 years and I would never image stealing someone else work. If you are trying to break into a new area of coverage do the hard work, join a photo group to work on your skills, do free photo shoots. Going online and stealing another persons work is completely UNACCEPTABLE and illegal! I am glad you were caught and getting thrown to the wolves. I you should be outed to all your “fans” on facebook.

      • C Sab

        That’s what we do. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Aaron Lee

      Someone else is stealing them? Oh…. NEVERMIND… YOU’RE OK THEN!!!!
      (are you five?)

      • LOL! Well said!

      • Melinda Potter

        This comment made me laugh so hard. To top it off, it’s the original photographer she’s accusing. Probably the first time she ever even thought enough of the photographs, let alone the photographer, the people in them, her clients…sigh… Sad.

    • Guest

      “Please stop posting on my page now.” You’re kidding, right? First of all, WHERE did you way you were sorry? Second of all, just because it was your first time you ever STOLE someone else’s work (and denied it until you couldn’t deny it), doesn’t mean you wipe the slate clean and everyone walks away and a forgets it ever happened. So if you rob a 7/11 at gunpoint but then when you’re caught you say ‘oh officer I said I was sorry, and this is the first time I ever did this, so let me go now, and please stop saying I committed a crime now.’ LOL

    • barque

      “Please stop posting on my page now.” You’re kidding, right? First of all, WHERE did you say you were sorry? Second of all, just because it was your first time you ever STOLE someone else’s work (and denied it until you couldn’t deny it), doesn’t mean you wipe the slate clean and everyone walks away and a forgets it ever happened. So if you rob a 7/11 at gunpoint but then when you’re caught you say ‘oh officer I said I was sorry, and this is the first time I ever did this, so let me go now, and please stop saying I committed a crime now.’ LOL

    • peaceetc

      Allison, there’s something I’m not sure you understand — stealing others’ images is illegal. It’s called copyright infringement. The original photographer can legally go after you for monetary compensation, and can even sue you in a court of law.

      It’s good you deleted the stole images, but that doesn’t delete the problem. I can’t say what the photographer will do, but please understand they have a right to pursue this. That is the law.

    • Cinobite

      You shouldn’t have done it in the first place – why did you do it? Surely you knew it was wrong to steal someones photos and then pretend they were yours? I get that many people think Google is a free image archive (it isn’t) but you must have known lying about them being yours was wrong? And just because someone else does it doesn’t mean you can, Ted Bundy killed people, that wouldn’t be much of a defense if I wanted to have a go at it

    • Michael Goolsby

      Allison,

      I suspect that you are feeling right now as if a few people are being unnecessarily harsh to you. Please let me caution you against adopting any sort of “victim” mentality right now. The photography community takes a very dim view of stealing from one another, and it has endlessly witnessed a pattern among many of those who steal that begins with denial and then shifts into anger and even blame. Those who do not come clean end up far worse in the long run than those who, when caught, admit and apologize for their wrongdoing.

      I cannot speak for the community as a whole, but I suspect that many photographers here are like me: we are concerned about the lack of respect that comes from using the work of others to make short cuts past them, but we are most concerned for the consequences to unsuspecting clients and the damage that comes to the industry as a whole when clients are disappointed when what they bought does not equal the stolen photographs used to bait them. And rest assured, it nearly always does NOT!

      Now that you have been caught, this story will remain on the internet forever. A simple google search of your business will immediately bring it up. The question is, then, how you will chose to proceed. For what you do next will shape both your past and future as a photography. The choice is yours, but I can say that what many photographers would like to see is a public apology on the same space used to promote work which you used illegally and unethically. If you really want to come clean, make amends, and put this behind you, I would recommend that you use your Facebook page to admit what you did and apologize to your client base for the wrongdoing. And then you might further try to make amends to them by offering a refund to anyone who may have been disappointed with the work you provided. No doubt, doing this will not immediately feel good. It may be embarrassing. It may cost you a few dollars. But I can think of no better act which would earn forgiveness from both your client base and the photographic community at large, and allow you the opportunity to grow as a photographer.

      Again, you alone own the choice. And you alone own the consequences.

      Best of luck

      Michael

      • Well said Michael, I think that is how we all feel. We know this industry is a luxury for some clients and I have a hard time when people like this ruin it for the rest of us that are trying to make a living doing this. I take pride in my work like I am sure a lot of us do. Someone who tries to cut corners and get ahead by doing what everyone who gets caught on this website make our industry look horrible. When I tried to break into kids and family I ended up taking pictures of my friends and other people kids for free or very low cost to help build my portfolio. I think people need to think about that before just going online and stealing another persons work. I hope she does some sort of public apology so that we can all be satisfied with this situation.

  • Shaye

    As a photographer in the same town, it really pisses me off that someone can steal other photographer’s work and pass it off as their own and still do more business. I, for example, take classes and use excellent equipment, never have and never would steal, yet I’m nowhere near the “813” likes the thief has. I guess I at least have my dignity and respect at the end of the day, and I know I’m doing my best and giving my best.

  • C Sab

    Posted on her images but they’re deleted and I’m blocked. Do these fools think that ever actually works? Lol

  • Amberlin

    This makes me so mad! I am a photographer in her area and I will make sure word gets around. It is theft and is unacceptable. I’ve recently heard customer service horror stories as well.

    • ron

      She just took her facebook “fan” page down.

      • captain-confuzzled

        maybe easier than trying to remember what she stole and what she didn’t.

      • Ric New

        I am sure numerous people reported the page to FB. I am wondering if they took it down.

  • Ric New

    I found a few more maternity images lifted off the net with her logo on it.

  • Liz

    She is terrible. I think she just woke up one day and said hey-I think I will take pictures!!

  • shane

    she is still UP!

  • Marionite

    I’m a prior client. Found this link on Facebook. Her work is TERRIBLE. My 10 yr old could take better pictures. When I told her I was unhappy with her work she blocked me on Facebook. What a joke. Karma is a bitch.

    • WOW! I would never work with a photographer that didn’t have a blog or website beside their facebook page. I hope you didn’t have to pay or got some sort of money back. I hope you know not all photographers are like that.

      • Marionite

        Nope. Not a dime or an I’m sorry. Just a Facebook block and constant lies from her sister Ashley advertising her “great work!”

        • Shaye

          I feel really bad for what you went through with her. If you would like, I would gladly do some pictures for you for free. I’m redoing my portfolio, so it’s a win win. Just let me know.

        • ashley

          Maybe we should blow your facebook up with harrassment that you are writing all over other peoples wall. GET A LIFE!!!!!!

          • Photo Stealers

            Ah. The sister I presume?

      • ron

        But she has a brick and mortar store. J/K J/K

    • Eric Lefebvre

      Now thatvyou know she missrepresented herself using false afvertising, you could sue her …. might want to hurry that lineup is getting pretty long.

  • Jo Marie

    Not sure if it really matters, I’m sure it does to anyone doing business
    with her but AMB photography is NOT even registered as a business or
    trade name/ficticious name with the state of Ohio! I would think that if
    you’re doing business like this and building your name, you would at
    least make sure that you are official in some way.

    • ron

      If you did that people could report you to the better business bureau.

  • Alicia Strzelecki

    Wow. As a local photographer in the same area that AMB Photography is located, I am absolutely appalled. Why in the world would you buy stock photos and pass them off as yours? It’s copyright infringement. It’s people like you that make bad names for local photography businesses such as myself, who is a stay at home mother with a teaching license that has decided to delay my teaching career to be with my daughter. Photography has not only become an outlet for me, but a passion that I feel strongly about. WHen I did teach, my students certainly understood the concept of plagerism; why can’t you? Shame shame shame. To ‘I Do Photography,’ I am so very sorry for what you are going through. If there is anything I can do for you since I am local, please let me know.

  • Nomee

    What’s interesting about a photographer that steals, aside from the, “how will I cover it up, lie about it, ignore it”….is the clients/fan that support them. “Yes I think stealing is bad, but I love their work, I will let them take my photos forever and ever keep your head up so and so photographer…” Someone should start creating scripts for all of these people. Have manuals “10 unique excuses to why stolen photographs were on my website/facebook page” “10 things to post as a super die hard fan of alleged thief photographer”. The redundancy in how each and everyone of these posts plays out should just be in a handbook or maybe already is, because they all know it so well now. It’s really sad to see how non-chalant everyone is about the thievery. Yes I get it, it’s not a diamond ring at a jewelry store, but it’s someone else’s property, digital or not!

    • Ron

      In this case the majority of her clients are her friends.

  • Nomee

    just an fyi, they also went to my photography FB page to harrass me this person “Bethany Pierson Brown” and another but lost the name. Bethany immediately changed her personal pages info so I couldn’t see anything else, but just so you know she was upset because she started cursing and I responded with “I love when the cursing begins. Shows how classy you can be.”. hahha, anyway. Have a great time with those characters

  • Guest88

    As a local person who knows this owner, all I can partake of this, is that this is all childish B.S. that people are jumping on the bandwagon to harass and cyberbully one person and their business. Great way for those local photographers to take out the competition huh? If you do such a great job, then why did people take their business elsewhere? This cyberbullying and harassment need to stop…it’s just completely stupid and childish to act that way…it also can be a violation of federal laws according to the FBI.

    • Eric Lefebvre

      You want to talk about the law? Copyright infringement and fraud?

      I then recommend that the victims of AMB persue her to the full extent of the law.

      Lets see 150,000$ per infraction with at least 8 infractions? 1,200,000$

    • Sam

      Again, you’re jumping to conclusions based on a personal, and unresearched, relationship with the ‘owner’. Where were you when she lied, saying she took a photo that she’s now admitted to buying? People take their businesses elsewhere – away from those outed here. It’s good to know you think asking why the law was broken is stupid and childish, though. It’s good to know you don’t think anything of stealing, lying, and then defrauding.

    • ric new

      Lol, then report it to the FBI. A thief is being harassed.

  • ashley

    Maybe we should blow your facebooks up and harrassment that you are writing all over other peoples wall. they are her pictures GET A LIFE!!!!!!

    • Sam

      they aren’t her pictures. obviously.
      seems YOU’RE the one jumping to conclusions before researching.

    • Sam

      Furthermore, get a life? Really? We’re trying to make livings, live our lives and support ourselves and our families. When PHOTO-STEALERS come and STEAL photos, LIE about their work, and then PROFIT off of that – that takes away from our livings and our livelihoods. Thus, making ‘getting a life’ more difficult that you imagine.

      • ashley

        Must feel good to be cyberbullys. Everyone has something to say. Maybe you should be advertising instead of sitting on here being nasty.

        • slainephoto

          If you’d take notice – I’m not one of the ones being nasty. I was just being objective. You don’t have to be rude, nasty, or hypocritical. Anybody can research the subject, and make a decision. Unfortunately, whatever harassment is going on – it cannot be deemed as completely unwarranted. What she did was against the law, and is punishable by said law. I think we all just want justice – just want people held accountable, or at least to completely and justly admit their mistakes.

          • Called you Out

            Ashley is her sister– fyi

          • slainephoto

            doesn’t mean her sister cannot be educated/saved! ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Called You out

            Because her sister is Ashley Monroe and was told by a FB site she is no longer allowed to advertise AMB services because it’s deceiving. What other Ashley would be defending this thief? Besides- you look just alike and Allison has a picture of you and your parents on her cover. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out. You and your sister (and her husband Roy) have messed with the wrong people, sweet cheeks.

          • ashley

            I am flattered you have been doing so much research about me. posting my last name like you know me. BULLYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I called you out! Do you want my address and be my friend on facebook so it will be easier to stalk me

          • Called you Out

            I don’t know you. I know of you. No, I don’t want to be your friend. I don’t associate myself with thieves and scammers.

          • Ashley

            you know of me, Huh? I just want to say how special I feel. I don’t want to associate myself with a bully. But again I am flattered you know OF me.

          • Photo Stealers

            Your email is Ashley Monroe and Amber’s sister is Ashley Monroe. Bullying โ‰  Research

          • ashley

            who is amber?

          • Called You out

            Probably meant Allison.

          • Photo Stealers

            I did, too many damned a names. LOL

          • ashley

            this is getting weird, you people act like you know us. I am done with this mob mentality.

          • Hahaha!!!

            Maybe some of us do…? Watch yourself

          • Eric Lefebvre

            Dude … don’t go there. We don’t want this to actually becoming bullying.

          • Hahahaha

            You’re right. Let’s be factual. Marion is a small town. People know each other.

          • Photo Stealers

            My Grandmother is ironically from there and I have friends there still. Irony.

          • Dear Ashley, please do urge your sister to issue a public apology (on my website and hers) as I’m the photographer whose photos she used and I’m seriously considering suing her as I gave her a chance to apologize and she did nothing. I’m a nice person in general but it seems like she’s been horrible to her clients too, so I wouldn’t mind getting her business closed.

          • Eric Lefebvre

            Lydia, you are way nicer than I would be in that situation. My lawyer would have already sent her a registered letter with a bill attached.

          • Joseph Philbert

            Hold on … checking the definition of bully in the dictionary…. reading….. comprehending …..
            Yea sorry researching someone and listing their first and last name has nothing to so with bullying.
            News agency’s do it all the time smh

          • Amber Kost

            Called her out…for calling you out? Lol classic.

          • Amber Kost

            Haha..sweet cheeks ๐Ÿ™‚

          • ashley

            So sad…..

          • ashley

            how do you know i am her sister? Are you stalking me to? Are you going to blow my page up with your harrassment?

        • ric new

          Its quite obvious Ashley is in denial.

        • Marc W.

          “Must feel good to be a cyber thief and a liar.”
          FTFY

        • C Sab

          Clearly you have something to say too, so it looks like you aren’t any better than us. At least we’re calling out a thief, not supporting one.

    • peaceetc

      I posted a very polite comment asking for the allegations on here to be addressed, because I thought it would help AMB if it were dealt with directly. You’d be amazed what a simple and sincere apology can do. My comment was deleted immediately and I was blocked. I was not bullying, I was not harassing.

      The pictures were not hers. She stole the wedding images from someone else. That is a violation of copyright law, which makes it illegal. Don’t ignore that, because we wouldn’t be here if that hadn’t happened.

      • stephanie

        She deletes negativity she deleted mine!

    • Michael Goolsby

      Ashley

      Respectfully, you are taking the exact type of “victim mentality” that I previously warned your sister against taking. Please try and be aware that what your sister did was quite serious, and that the anger raised against her behavior in the photo community is hardly without justification. Indeed, she should only consider herself very fortunate if both injured photographers and clients choose NOT to file suits against her for both theft and fraud.

      I advised your sister that the best thing she could do was issue a public apology to both photographer and clients on the very same medium she used to create her deception: Facebook. In the short term, it will be embarrassing. But in the long term, she might be able to recover as a photographer and eventually move past all of this. But she has not done this. Or anything like it.

      Your sister is not the first “photo stealer” on the internet, nor will she be the last. But how she handles this will determine a lot about her future as a photographer. Contrary to your assertions, she is not being “bullied” or cyberstalked. Rather, she has simply been caught. The faster she handles this properly, the sooner she will be able to move on.

      Best wishes

    • C Sab

      Bring it on.

  • ashley

    found this on YOUR SITE!!!

    PS: Donโ€™t be a jerk and go and post PS all over her page and bash her
    work and/or clients there. If you want to say something about this, say
    it here but donโ€™t be the bully we all hated in high school. Weโ€™re
    better than that (and yes, I realize thereโ€™s some irony here since what I
    do is often called bullying but roll with it OK?).

    • Eric Lefebvre

      Congrats you can read. Of course I would like you to point out where Photo Stealers posted on AMB Photography’s site or where it says she controls the actions of her readers.

      As a side note, I didn’t post on her (AMB) site either but I really hope she gets sued into bankruptcy!

    • slainephoto

      I’ll go with it – I don’t think what you’re saying is ‘bullying’. However, in many of the cases I’ve seen on their facebooks, what PS commenters/members are posting is just putting forth awareness, and not bullying/harassment. We just don’t want others falling for the same thing. At the end of the day, those who’ve been caught as a Photo-Stealer – they are not only stealing photos, but they’re making money and scamming people into believing they’re something they’re not. THOSE are the people we’re trying to save. We realize that most caught as Photo-Stealers cannot be saved (CJ, obv), but for those few that have a chance – we’re trying to instill a sense of urgency/importance for the issue/s at hand.

      (Also, side-note.. in many cases.. the bullies in high school that we all hated were pretending to be something they weren’t, or were jealous of something the rest were – that’s quite similar to what a photo-thief does – they’re trying to be something more/different/other. They just happen to be scamming innocents in the process).

    • Ron

      She is stealing from people I know.

    • Melinda Potter

      “Donโ€™t be a jerk and go and post PS all over her page and bash her “. I have to make a correction. It’s “don’t be a jerk and go and post BS all over her page”. I don’t think sharing a truthful article about unethical business practices the photographer is involved in is BS

  • Melinda Potter

    Thing is, stealers generally aren’t photographers. They haven’t put much effort in what they produce and lack an understanding of everything that goes into producing good work for hire. They also lack an understanding of the business. This particular “photographer” doesn’t have a tax ID, isn’t licensed, is uninsured, etc. it’s all for fun under the table. She most likely doesn’t finish the job by offering finished products as well, and instead leaves the “client” to finish her job. She and many many like her here at photo stealers don’t put much value on their photography or photography in general. To them it’s not about the people in the photos, it’s not about providing a service and beautiful products for families to treasure like their bios all say. It’s not about taking pride in what they produce, it’s just a fun pass time and an “easy” way to make a couple bucks tax and hassle free. Meanwhile, they make friends, receive lovely compliments, and help create more photography consumers that don’t understand. Hand a friend a camera, tell them what actions you use and BAM another “photography business” is born.
    Their customers see it all the same way. It’s just no big deal to them. They’ve been taught by their current “photographer” that photography isn’t worth very much, and it’s kinda easy and fun, so what’s the big fuss about? Sure we (photographers) “get it” she presents herself as a professional photographer, and SHOULD understand and have knowledge of all of the above because she has chosen to be for hire, but in reality she’s just a lower priced photography consumer just as her clients are. She doesn’t think like a photographer. This is not meant to be mean or be taken badly as me insulting her or her clientele. Ignorance is just ignorance. You can’t expect them to understand something they honestly know nothing about. All they know is they like her, have fun with her, and they feel the need to stick up for her. It’s frustrating as all get out, but… Only a photographer would understand that taking another photographers work as using it as your own to market your business is as low as it gets. So she’s not a good photographer, and doesn’t understand photography business ethics. To the outside/lay/non photography world that’s a big whoopty doo and an eye roll, and a bunch of OMG! Get a life! You’re nutso! It is what it is. Not everyone is a photographer

    • Michael Goolsby

      Very well said. And there are simply too many like this today.

      • C Sab

        You can thank Facebook for that. ๐Ÿ˜›

    • C Sab

      Mostly all they can really do is photoshop. Like CJ. He can photoshop decent composites but only because he takes good pictures from real photographers. Sadly, this has what the Internet and Social media have done to the photography industry.

  • McDaniels Automotive

    I hired AMB last year since my favorite photographer was booked months in advance. Paid for 15 photos of my children that even photoshop didn’t help (believe me, she tried). Had I known stolen stock photos were an option, I would instead be looking at an 8 X 10 of my kids giving the Mona Lisa high fives.

    I got the standard treatment when disputing the final product…no return calls and a Facebook block. I was able to dispute this with my credit card company and received full reimbursement. At the end of my experience, I’m left wondering how many of the stills hanging in AMB studio were lifted from elsewhere. And Ashley, don’t feel obligated to reply; we all can read that you’re in team Stickyfinger’s corner.

    • ashley

      McDaniel Automotive?

  • stephanie

    This girl is rude hateful and cares nothing NOTHING about customer service or your se timental moments I have the proof of ALL of this! She did maternity pictures as the girl I originally wanted couldnt get me In:( well it was supposed to be indoor and outdoor and she was supposed to have letters for my son and a bow for my belly:( it was my first pregnancy and arrives and says oh my daughters sick I drove 45 min away!!! She didnt know when she woke up????? And then at the end wanted to charge me double for a reshoot for indoor!!!!! Then when I get my cd it still has her watermark and instead of making it right she didnt do a damn thing!!! Ill forever warn people and she was rude to my husband who already hates pictures my photographer now cares aboout my opinions and what I want and islike a friend so easy to talk to! WATCH out for this girl just because you have a new place to take pictures makes u no better! Im so glad others see who she really is!

    • C Sab

      See, that’s why these people steal images. To fool clients into thinking they’re going to get way more than the thief is capable of doing.

  • captain-confuzzled

    methinks a bit of misrepresentation here (to put it mildly) hinting that you will get this type of makeover. Not too likely since the makeup artist is in Russia! Note the strategic cropping.

    • Hahahahah

      Her make up artist is probably her sister Ashley! Am I right?!

      • Melinda Potter

        And if you are right, why not say “and my sister is going to be doing make up for us! It should be fun”. That’s what I really don’t get about some new photographers (not just stealers) Why not be honest about things. Why isn’t the truth good enough? Why embellish or lie to market? It makes no sense to me. Even her about said she had been featured/published in many magazines. Why?

    • Eric Lefebvre

      Anyone know any Russian? Another artist that can sue the hell out of AMB. Not to mention the model and the photographer.

    • ron
  • Her facebook page is down! Sadly no public apology.

    • C Sab

      There usually isn’t any. Or there is and it’s half-ass’d and it’s more along the lines of “I’m sorry I was caught, not that I stole.”

  • TZ

    Oh geez, has anyone else seen this yet? Yours Forever Photography is apparently also hers…it’s on one of her personal cover photos as a watermark so Iooked them up.
    According to her MiNeeds profile, she’s been doing weddings since 1999? I find that difficult to believe if she had to steal wedding photos to get wedding clients.

    http://www.mineeds.com/yours-forever-photography-12833382

    http://www.yelp.com/biz/yours-forever-photography-marion-2

    • TZ

      And here’s her other website:
      http://www.yoursforevephotography.org/Home.php

      • TZ

        FWIW, there doesn’t appear to be any stolen imagery on that site ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Melinda Potter

          the first one I checked is. Located here on her site http://www.yoursforevephotography.org/About.html
          I don’t have time for anymore tonight.

          • TZ

            Egads! I didn’t have time for any either. I only checked a couple which appeared to be legit. What tangled webs she weaves.

      • Melinda Potter

        Away from my computer, and I’m unable to source, but it looks to me like there might be some photos there that aren’t hers. Just speculation but…Maybe she had to change her business name because of complaints and being caught red handed before? I wouldn’t doubt it.

        • TZ

          I didn’t have time for others either. I was checking her gallery images, but egads! Her photo on her “services” tab is not hers either. Oy. I don’t get it. What is it about photography that makes everyone believe that can buy a camera one day, open for business the next? All you need is some “borrowed” photos that show what your photos would look like if you could take photos that look like that! Gross.

          • captain-confuzzled

            yup, stock photo, sigh

          • C Sab

            *sigh* I guess she hasn’t truly learned.

  • captain-confuzzled

    good grief PS, don’t know how the heck you keep track of who’s coming and going. Found this matchy matchy text and pic when sourcing another photo on her Yours Photography Page. Thing is the other site’s Portfolio page has zero photos (although her FB page looks like it has her work). My brain cannot compute… left side from found site, right site Yours Forever Photography “About” Page

    • Photo Stealers

      That’s her previous business name.

    • Joseph Philbert

      So this is NOT the first time …interesting

  • captain-confuzzled

    and just for fun, yet another matchy matchy with the same photographer. Although in this case, google found the page with the image, so I screen-capped it, but it doesn’t show up in the actual navigation for the page of the other photographer (not AMB – hers is definitely there in current navigation)

  • Just a thought

    I know from experience when you build a website theres 2 ways to do it. #1 do it from scratch or #2 use the website designer templates. When you use the templates you have the option of selecting what your website is going to be about ie: photography. Then that website basically puts up a whole website for you then you go and change anything you want. It could be a possibility that both of these sites used the same website designer. I know this from experience on my own sites but I would change what mine said.

    • Myself

      She obviously edited them to add her watermark to the photo’s this is more than simply using a templet. Not to mention she did not build a website she used a facebook fan page. There was not “building” involved. Please do not try to defend someone when you obviously do not have industry experience, you make yourself look just as unintelligent as the person running “AMB photography”

      • Melinda Potter

        I think she was referring to the business website that was found last night to have imagery that wasn’t created by her. Read though the comments and you’ll find it.
        Thing is “it was a templet!” Isn’t even an excuse. Photographers create content. They are hired to do this. If they need content for themselves, they create it. They aren’t image consumers, they are image creators. A photographer got paid to create the images used in that said templet, and if you were not the photographer that got paid to create them, then you don’t use them PERIOD. lol I can’t help but giggle and shake my head. It all seems so elementary and natural to me, and it’s like… I seriously had to explain this to someone? To top it off I’m not even a professional wth?

        • myself

          You are correct I did not see the new development from the time I went to bed till I checked the site again. I completely agree Photographers should want to show their work not someone else. If you are not proud of the work you are doing you shouldn’t be trying to sell it. People should want to come to you for YOUR unique style not someone else’s style.

    • Liz

      Sounds like a husband or friend trying to do damage control. I drive past her shop everyday. She should probably put up some signage of apology. Obviously once she apologizes and offers to rectify her illegal activities, the mass public will stop demanding her to acknowledge her errors. Not sure how you can justify her actions or call it “bullying”. Her clients are pissed off and the owners are pissed off. You don’t see any other business owner crying about bad reviews. If she is personally affected sounds like she feels guilty and embarrassed. Why would she feel this way of her actions were honest and legal? Lesson learned- you don’t lie to people and you don’t steal their money.

      • C Sab

        Do you happen to see any clients in the shop?

        • Liz

          No. She is only by appointment and doesn’t keep regular business hours. She also runs Brooks Bridal. I’m pretty sure it’s a drop shipment business as it doesn’t have an actual store. Seems like she does it all! I would buy shit from her. Word of mouth is very damaging and I know a lot of people. It’s spread like wildfire and I’m sure she is upset. However, I would be the first one to apologize and offer free sessions to build up my OWN catalog to build back up the business. Customer service is everything in a business. How does a business owner expect to keep their business open if they piss off their clients? You don’t think we tell people Allison? Maybe that’s why you’ve had a shortage of business lately and desperate to get customers so you steal other work? Trust me, everyone already knew. You’re just making yourself look like a fool now.

          • C Sab

            So, basically, her and ALL of her businesses are screwed.

          • Michael Goolsby

            What kind of business was “Brooks Bridal”?

            Kind of reminds me of that other photostealer recently who also had a cake business. She used photographs of cakes that were not made by her to promote it online. The online reviews were horrible.

            It’s a shame that so many of these fraudsters seem to victimize the wedding industry. A family’s wedding day is the day which they want most to go well.

          • C Sab

            lol I remember that. I’ll be amazed if she’s still in business with all those abysmal reviews.

    • Photo Stealers

      Another comment from Allison’s IP

      • C Sab

        lol

    • Michael Goolsby

      This post comes across like someone who is trying to bargain their way out of a difficult situation. Bargaining will NOT work. It is not a solution, and insisting it can be will only prolong the problem.

      Once again, the best way to move beyond is to admit, apologize, and make amends. Until that happens, the problem will only grow. But once it does, healing can begin. As with many difficult things in life, that first step is truly the most difficult.

    • Eric Lefebvre

      It’s clearly spelled out in those templates that you HAVE TO CHANGE THE PHOTOS! THAT YOU ARE NOT GRANTED A LICENSE TO THE PHOTOS. It also doesn’t explain why she claimed to have taken the shots or why she put her watermark on some.

      Try again.

    • MPR1776

      I have been building websites since ’93, the templates you purchase come with images that say replace with your own, they are put there so that the designer can design the site to look good. In addition the site from which she stole the images had a logo on a lot of the images, she had to remove those & put hers into the image. During the course of building websites, if I had a need for a specific kind of image, I always contacted the person whose image I wished to use to get permission to do so & then I at least credit the person whose image I am using, even if not asked to do so by the owner of the image. So she knew exactly what she was doing and that she was using images as her own that were not legally hers to use.

  • Just a thought

    From what I’ve seen on Facebook and this website it looks like she has taken both pages down. With as small as marion is I don’t think she will be doing anymore photography. I also know this website says to not contact the individual directly and that the extent of the bullying and harassment is very Un called for. I know for a fact that everyone from this page has been spamming her business page (before being taken down), sending her msgs on that page as well as msgs to her private page. I also know for a fact that someone called her studio at 1:30am and left a nasty msg. Now I’m sorry she did say she was sorry yes it wasn’t on her own page or the other photographers. She did take the images down right away. But none of u know this girl u don’t know her personally. It’s bullying like this in high school that make kids commit suicide. Now what if she’s not in a stable mind set now and is being bullies from all you so much that she does the same?! All of you would be accountable. Yes what she did was wrong yes she tried to correct it but now what u are doing is messing with Somes mental health. Oh and for a fact she had to block 40 people in less then 24 hours for posting and msg in her nasty things. NOW YOU TELL ME IF THIS IS NOT BULLYING AND HARASSMENT?!

    • Photo Stealers

      I watched her page like a hawk and while I saw this page being posted many times, I did not see anything “nasty” other that people asking if she did it and/or if she was going to apologize.

      • Me

        I posted on her page on one photo to let her know that she missed removing another photo. Nothing nasty just letting her know there was still stolen content on her page.

    • Photo Stealers

      Also your IP matches Allison’s so this is either Allison or a family member.

      • Just a thought

        No I’m a friend who is hear listening to her. And it scares me the way she is talking, she is very depressed and is feeling like a injured calf that a pack of wolves are trying to feed on. If anything happens to her it’s on you guys.

        • Shaye

          As someone who’s in college to become a counselor, you cannot blame others for the action of someone else. I haven’t been paying much attention, but from what I have seen, no one has said anything apart from pointing out that she took multiple photos from multiple other photographers, put her watermark on them, and claimed them as her own. That is not bullying. Clientele have a right to know when someone is misinterpreting themselves to offer work of a higher quality than what they truly offer. The victim stance and mentality need to stop. Thieves caught red handed should fess up, apologize if they’re truly sorry, and face the consequences. No one forced her to steal I Do’s images.

        • Ron

          It sounds like the majority of the people on here are just looking for an apology. This is a site mainly of photographers. Using someone else’s work as your own is very offensive. If she admitted she screwed up, removed all the stolen or “Borrowed” photo’s from her site, the majority of the people on here would drop it and forget about it with time. As for her customers it seems like she needs to work on her customer service skills and maybe issue a few refunds or some other type of compensation for people where promises were not met. Being from Marion I know the town is not very big a few wrong moves will destroy the business and relationships she has worked to build. Stepping up and taking responsibility would be the first step in getting her business back on track. Sitting in a room being depressed will not fix the problem. Growing up and taking responsibility for one’s actions will.

          • C Sab

            Sadly, very few thieves do this.

          • Joseph Philbert

            Yea we know its difficult for someone to apologize but we trian/teach our kids to apologize when they do something wrong but adults we are above it …. #gofigure
            Public apology goes a LONG LONG WAY … so my advice before she gets sued make a simple honest statement you will feel a lot better and all this crap will stop.

            Funny thing the other photographers who were caught and just said sorry got the post removed from this site.

            Get a clue.

          • Melinda Potter

            Some say they are sorry and throw in buts. No buts, straight up, and let the cool down begin. Most times though, things can get heated again just because the apology is written to try to diminish what they did, make it seem somehow less wrong, or turn the tables and lash out, or flip things around to where THEY are the ones who were wronged

        • Michael Goolsby

          You might be doing more harm than good if you are talking to her in a similar fashion. She doesn’t need her self-image as a victim reinforced. Rather, she needs to take PROACTIVE steps to move past this. Once again, those steps begin with confronting the guilt head-on, publicly admitting the wrongdoing, apologizing, and then making amends. I admit, this is a difficult thing to do. There will be embarrassment and humiliation. But there will also be healing.

        • david

          I was given this tumbler by someone since I made the mistake of buying photos from AMD previously. I have yet to see anything related to bullying, and nothing provided as proof otherwise. You know the great thing about “cyber bullying”? You CAN turn off the computer…no one is forcing anyone’s hand to keep checking a Facebook account or PS. If you are truly concerned she will hurt herself, as a friend, you should close the laptop and help her down the road to the Marion Mental Health Clinic.

        • Eric Lefebvre

          Oh my f’ing god! Now SHE’S THE VICTIM? Are you SERIOUS? She STOLE FROM THESE PHOTOGRAPHERS … and form some of the comments we are getting from passed “clients” she has DEFRAUDED them but SHE’S the VICTIM in this?

          ARE YOU SERIOUS?

          • C Sab

            It’s standard thief practice to try and push blame to someone else.

        • MLee Kneer

          Sooooooo, this is our fault that she STOLE someone elses images, used them, got caught and now she can’t take the fallout? Nope. Sorry. If you do something illegal, immoral or stupid don’t expect that the consequences won’t affect you.

        • Photo Stealers

          No you aren’t unless “just a friend” is at the same house at all hours of the day conveniently.

        • Michael Goolsby

          Does the word “catfish” come to mind?

        • Amber Kost

          No, she’s a big girl. It’s on her.

    • Melinda Potter

      Comparing outing a shoddy business and shoddy business practices and legit criticism to try to warn others and put a stop to it to bullying, just diminishes the seriousness of bullying. Don’t demean or belittle the progress being made towards bullying awareness by comparing the two and mislabeling what has transpired here. That is unless you have proof of said bullying?

    • Eric Lefebvre

      “I know for a fact that everyone from this page has been spamming her business page”

      You “KNOW” that? Well, I for one haven’t been spamming her page. Haven;t even left one message either on her page or privately so you obviously don’t know squat.

      • me

        I guess they have a different definition of the word “everyone” than we do.

  • Just a thought

    I love seeing how everyone keeps talking about the wall posts and saying their doing nothing wrong even though this website has it posted not to contact them personally but no one is mentioning the private msgs where their calling her Nasty names or THE FACT SOMEONE CALLED HER PHONE AND LEFT A NASTY MSG CALLING HER NAMES AT 1:30 IN THE MORNING.

    • Melinda Potter

      It’s a shame when/if people take it too far, but I think a lot of the posting on her wall had been due to the fact that she kept deleting and not properly addressing things. I posted the link here to photostealers repeatedly in her event, ONLY because a link was never left for anyone to read. When I see others have linked or have had a discussion on their wall about the theft, I don’t bother with it. I’m sure others think/do the same as I do.
      As soon as one of her “clients” told me to “get a life! People make mistakes!” And yadda yadda (couldn’t read the whole insult because it was all deleted very quickly). I realized that her clients didn’t care that she was running her business unethically, and I stopped. I then wrote a reply/post here talking about how I felt. You can read it below.

      • Michael Goolsby

        That’s because her clients aren’t really clients but friends.

    • C Sab

      These are only a few people doing that. Most of us don’t stoop so low.

    • Ric New

      A thief, by definition, is a liar. Why should anyone believe messages that she is “getting harassed” or called “nasty” things? Or, being called a thief, in her mind, is considered “nasty”. Be cautious in believing these types of post.

      • Melinda Potter

        I don’t know Ric. There are some here (mind you very few) that seem to be here just to argue and antagonize, using foul language and getting too personal. some of what they say, really makes me think about wether they are here for the right reasons, or to make us all look like jerks

        • Ric

          Melinda, I’m not doubting she is getting messages that she considers nasty, I just question if they really are nasty. Believe her if you wish, I’m just saying be cautious in doing so. There is a reason that a theft conviction is just about the only crime a witness in a court room as to admit if they have been convicted of. The reason is because the jury has a right to know the witness as been convicted of a crime of dishonesty. We’ve all seen the evidence and seen her lies in attempting to justify it, but all of a sudden we are supposed to believe she is getting “nasty” messages. Just sayin.

          • Melinda Potter

            Oh I’m with you there. There’s never been any proof of nasty messages or whatnot that’s claimed to have happened. One time an offender supplied screen shots of the “nasty” messages they received and they were a take down notice, people looking for answers, and people stating facts along with how they felt. Nothing nasty at all. I think why I answered the way I did, was more to make some realize that when they lose their cool, they makes us all look less credible. Even the admin feels this way. Keep yourselves in check people.

          • Joseph Philbert

            There has been way to many who lie … nowadays I will never believe what a photo theif says unless they show proof.
            Its not hard to screencap you phone screen and show us the call log.

          • Michael Goolsby

            This is the internet, where there are people of all types, and where there will always be nasty, rude and inappropriate behavior. I am sorry to see it here when it does occur, but I imagine it is part of the process we have to accept. However, we can discourage it by encouraging better behavior. And talking about it like this does exactly that.

        • C Sab

          Well they’ll fail. The only jerks here are the thieves who come here doing what you mentioned, and the people who attack us for exposing their friend/family member as a thief cause that means they support thievery.

    • wtf

      The website says not to contact yet some don’t follow the rules, kind of like using someone elses work. J/S.

      • ron

        Using someone else’s work as your own is against THE LAW! Posting on someone’s facebook page after advised not to by another website is NOT AGAINST THE LAW! These things are not even comparable.

    • Joseph Philbert

      Then tell her get the caller ID and post the VM here so we can find out who the person is. Even she can then she is a lair ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Eric Lefebvre

      Nasty message in the middle of the night? Then why complain about it here? contact the police. Phone records should be enough to get charges pressed.

      As far as PhotoStealers request that readers not post messages on the THIEF’S webpages? All she can do is REQUEST … she doesn’t control her readers.

      But seriously, if she has received threatening messages she should contact the police and lay charges. Just like the photographers who;s work she stole should be taking her to court.

    • peaceetc

      As others have said, if someone did that, she sould contact the police. It’s harassment, and should be reported. Nobody should be doing that, but please don’t try to put the possible actions (I would like to see proof) of one person on to everyone else.

      The fact remains this woman stole from someone else, yet absolutely refuses to acknowledge it except in some “poor me, what’s the big deal, leave me alone” post on here. That’s not cool.

    • Photo Stealers

      Again, this is someone commenting from the same IP as AMB Photography.

      • Maybe she lives with mother. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • mia

          Funny, I saw her husband posting on another site about how people are “bullying” her…in fact, almost exactly what was worded, below. This is not the only site I where I have seen this person’s actions being discussed.

  • Darren

    And so, yet ANOTHER photo thief following the classic pattern…
    1. Sweep it under the rug, delete comments, and ban anyone who mentions it on their website or FB page (this invariably makes it worse, as it antagonizes the community at large)
    2. Make up excuse about some sort of misunderstanding (web designer, templates, stock imagery, etc.)
    3. Issue half-hearted apology, preferably in a forum where as few people as possible will see it, to incur the minimal amount of humiliation. Delete quickly.
    4. Act defensive and play victim card. Note, this usually involves the photo thief, friends and family members writing comments about being “harassed” (which is to say, being contacted by people mentioning the theft). Photo thief, friends, and family members will invariably write incoherent, rambling sentences full of spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors.
    At least this time, there’s been no mention of God or of her being a “Good Christian”.

    • C Sab

      It has become the standard checklist for exposed thieves.

    • Michael Goolsby

      In grieving a loss, there are five stages that virtually every human goes through:
      1-Denial 2-Anger 3-Bargaining 4-Depression 5-Acceptance

      I am tending to believe that those who steal creative property are doing so in order to create an identity for themselves which they think will win the approval and adulation of others. When they are exposed, that identity is threatened or even destroyed. Perhaps the stages of grief apply in some fashion in these situations, as well. That is why when it is a truly honest or ignorant mistake (web templates, naivete, etc.), the person is immediately forthright and proactive about correcting the transgression, while the person who understood their actions begin with the first one on the list: denial.

      Obviously, the long-term goal of PhotoStealers is to reduce or eliminate the practice of photo theft. Maybe by discerning these patterns and understanding the correlation they may have to The Five Stages, we can help those who have committed these wrongs to admit their wrongdoing, apologize, make all of the necessary amends, and then move on.

      • Darren

        Well said.

      • Joseph Philbert

        Lie Lie Lie and cover up …. see CJ for a good example ๐Ÿ™‚

        • C Sab

          The best example

        • Michael Goolsby

          CJ stands apart from the crowd as a special case where the normal rules do not apply. (Clearly, there is a disorder there somewhere.)

          • C Sab

            More than one

          • Amber Kost

            He was definitely a special case. Wow.

    • Joseph Philbert

      Ding nail on head

  • captain-confuzzled

    just a few of my thoughts on repair
    Dear Allison, I’m sure it’s not fun at all end up in this situation, having been caught stealing and/or misrepresenting work that you wish to be hired to do, by using other people’s work on your page, implying it is your work. Here are a few ideas on what you can do to get past it.

    1. Apologize (on their Internet sites and yours, as well as privately) to any other professional that you took work from, Make it right. Offer compensation, credit, whatever the owner wishes to be compensated for your stealing from them.

    2. Contact your past and current customers, ask if any feel that the work was not up to par (based on what they were promised or quality that was implied by stolen work)

    3. Respond to any such customers (I believe a few unhappy customers have already piped up below in comments), make it right. Fix it, refund it, re-shoot it, whatever it takes.

    I’m sure not everyone will accept your overtures for making it right and in some cases there may be no way to make it right, but you can make every effort and be up front about it all with professional transparency.. There is a way out if you are a true professional and wish to continue your business. You are not the victim, and you have the power to make reparations to those that you victimized. It’s up to you.

    • C Sab

      Only her most loyal fans/followers which will probably be only her friends and family will actually accept any kind of overture. In this industry, once you’ve been exposed and your reputation ruined like this, it’s pretty much impossible to get it back. Based on what I’ve seen anyway. Doesn’t matter how “big” you are.

      • foxtog

        Unless you have 86,000 sheep

  • Guest

    The box was delivered. Tara, you out there? I hope, hope, hope it is what is supposed to be.

  • Guest

    Has anyone seen her Groupon ad? It keeps popping up on my facebook feed. The photo connected to the ad seems to be a stock or stolen image as well.

    http://www.groupon.com/deals/amb-photography

    • Ric New

      Yeah, its a stock image. I saw that a couple days ago. Her logo wasn’t on it so it didn’t bother me as much. If you click on the little down arrow on the top right of the add you can select to prevent further similar adds.

    • Michael Goolsby

      I’m not sure how Groupon works in this respect, but both photos show up on several Groupon ads for similar services in cities all over the US, including Atlanta, Denver, Orlando, Washing DC, Oceanside, etc. In fact, it looks as if Groupon itself is using stock images to promote its photography partners all over, rather than the photographers themselves.

      As an aside, the prices for these things are absolutely absurd. One features a one-hour on-location family portrait session for $19. Considering that Groupon gets it large cut (50%?), that leaves the photographer working for less than minimum wage. Of course, they’re counting on upselling, but do people buying on the super-cheap like this really splurge on expensive extras?

      I once photographed a wedding for a couple who tried to hire their photography through deals on Groupon. Basically, they figured out how many hours they needed for their wedding photography and then bought a corresponding number of Groupon deals for $25 per hour. If it had worked, they would have gotten five hours of wedding photography for only $125. The photographer sold a couple hundred of these packages, realized that he was essentially paying to work his butt off, and then came up with the “dying mother” excuse in order to not fulfill them. They hired me the day before the wedding and got a refund from Groupon. I cost a heck of a lot more, but they realized they had dodged a bullet, and they later said it was the best money spent for their wedding.

      • Eric Lefebvre

        Groupon is such a bad deal for most businesses … no idea why people still use it.

    • mia
  • wtf

    Was this resolved? Or is the real photographer still waiting for a real appology?

  • Liz

    Her Facebook page is back up!

    • Rick New

      Not opening for me.

    • Joseph Philbert

      And now it’s back down… Smh dam yoyo

      • Joseph Philbert

        Long enough I think to advertise her event

        • Marionite

          I think she takes it down before bed each night to prevent people from posting on it. Hey she is a beach body coach now so another business venture. Seems like an official scam artist now.

          • Joseph Philbert

            interesting..

          • C Sab

            lol Seems like it.

      • Melinda Potter

        Back up

        • Joseph Philbert

          and back down again lol

      • Nomee

        and now back up again…

  • guest01

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/666018950129653/
    She is now doing a 30 day hip hop abs challenge as well as selling her photography props on various Facebook garage sale sites. She’s not advertising any of this in the county she resides in though.

    • Joseph Philbert

      Lol

    • C Sab

      lol Trying to be subtle by selling it out of the country? Gotta do better than that.

    • Amber Kost

      I’m sure it’s bc the people in her county wouldn’t buy anything from her now, including her lies!

    • at least she get skinny.

  • sickofscams

    Her Facebook is back up. The stolen pic of her “makeup artist” aka the Russian makeup artist is still on her boudoir event. Scam artist.

  • Adam Sternberg

    I like how her latest ads including the transfer of copyright. She obviously doesn’t value the ownership of copyright when she steals other people’s work but now she’s just giving hers away. Moron

    • ME

      Did you see her photo’s I wouldn’t value my copyright if my photo’s looked like that either.

  • Lindsay11

    Her facebook is back up.

    • Justin Case

      it’s been up for awhile. Check out who her fans are:

      • Lindsay11

        hahaha I noticed she was back from vacation and was waiting for her to pop up… hey, I wonder if that’s who the troll yesterday was? Too calm to be her maybe?

        • Justin Case

          for all Jazzy J’s other faults, he/she/it can actually write pretty coherently, so that tends to set JJ apart from otherr trolls around here.

          • BullShite

            I’m pretty convinced it’s a guy.

      • Joseph Philbert

        Strange how this person becomes a fan of most of the outed photostealers.
        I am guessing they still trying to report that “Cult” and suicide angle.
        Does it usually take CNN this long to get the facts of a story? Just wondering when they will finally break this story…oh well

  • ThisIsRidiculous

    https://www.facebook.com/LilyPadPhotography2
    And she started again under a fourth name.

    • Wes Jones

      Posing a model on a pile of trash doesn’t make it edgy and artistic, it just makes it a girl on a pile of trash.

      • BullShite

        Not to mention, the outfit doesn’t mesh with the back ground at all…..the whole thing is awkward and strange. It’s not even a neat industrial trash pile, or a bunch of “ruins”…. it’s friggin’ construction debris.

      • Yes, yes, her work IS horrible but more importantly … it’s HER WORK. That is a HUGE step forward.

        • Lindsay11

          This really really hurts my eyes. ๐Ÿ™ And not in a “it’s so bad it hurts” joking way. It is literally giving me a migraine having this image on my screen!

      • If the outfit, pose, lighting … anything really actually went with the location it wouldn;t be that bad but there was no real thought here.

  • Lindsay11

    I love how, if you visit past stealers, they almost all have some form of “this is not my photo” slapped on certain images. It’s almost as if they know what they do is wrong? (attached)

    • How do you call yourself “Lillypad newborn photography” and post images of senior portraits and women in sexy poses..

  • LetzBHonest

    Now she’s asking for help to open a new studio.

    • LetzBHonest

    • Hahahahahhaha

    • Lindsay11

      That is super gross. Who begs from their clients to start a business? Oh, Allison does! I really hate gofundme anymore.

    • doncalifornia

      “hi everyone, please give me money to open a new studio, seeing that I lost what little real business I had by being a fake and a fraud. You can trust me now.”

  • LetzBHonest

    But it’s for her birthday lol

  • My Business name is also AMB Photography and I am wondering if you could take this post down as it is coming up in google searches with my business SEO. I knwo this other photog is stealing and its not right. What can we do?

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Amber,
      It sucks that she not only stole from others but is now impacting all of the AMB Photography’s out there. Wow, shocked how many there are!
      Have you trademarked the name? Are you registered with the state? What’s your insurance policy say about it? All of those are questions your attorney will be asking if you were to try to go after her for loss of business.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Wow, even in MI there is more than one AMB Photography.

    • Justin Case

      Exactly why this kind of behavior needs to be exposed and condemned. I completely understand that you are a victim in all of this as well, but please place the blame where it belongs, on the AMB Photography who cared so little about other photographers (yourself included) that she would base her business on fraud and the theft of the hard work of others.

    • Sorry that this is happening to you but this post will not be removed just because you share the same name as a outed stealer. All you can do is either rebrand or change your SEO the fact that there are other photography bussiness named “AMB Photography” is a big clue that you should change.

    • Me, Myself and I

      DAMN! That sucks …

      I feel your pain, I’ve had someone post defamatory reviews on my business on a site that shall remain nameless (because they were outed on this site) and now that shows up at the bottom of page 1 on Google. Unfortunatly, the site the JACKASS used doesn’t take down reviews … even absolutely shockingly libelous ones. They hide behind the Decency in Communications Act.

      StopStealingPhotos is for more reasonable. PS can tweek the post a bit? Maybe PS can add a not at the top mentioning that this is not you? Or maybe change the post name from AMB to the frauds real name?

      As mentioned below, if you have your studio name trademarked you could go after thief for trademark infringement and loss of business (that second one is a bit harder to prove).

      I’d hate for this post to disappear … but it sucks that it is affecting your SEO.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Part of the problem is there are dozens of AMB Photography out there. By the looks of it, most are not registered businesses. In most jurisdictions you need to be a registered business before you can go after another business or trademark.
        Also, she may have trouble going after her as it’s far to common that someone decides to hang a shingle and call themselves a photographer without ever taking all of the legal steps required to open and run a business. Seriously, it’s SO simple to form an LLC, register with the state, get insurance, and do it right. OK, so it costs a few dollars, but considering what one loss (claim) would do to you if you didn’t have it, it’s less than pennies! I know countless photographers that did everything by the book and not one shelled out more than $1000 to do it all right the first time.

      • Yeah. Just thought I’d ask. I am probably changing my name eventually when I get married but it just sucks haha. I do have a DBA but haven’t gone any further like a LLC.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          Unfortunately that doesn’t cover you. Go get your LLC!

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Just a little piece of advice. It’s poor form and creepy to rate yourself on FB, Yelp, G+, etc. People see that and run away! That, not being a legitimate business, and therefore likely not properly insured, is hurting you more than any SEO hit from this page.

      • Me, Myself and I

        Yeah … rating your own business is pretty shady.

      • Thanks for the advice and judgmental assumptions but I did not come to this website to be criticized by people who dont know me ,my business and my business goals. This is for someone who is stealing images and breaking copyright laws which to me is far worse. This person is giving photography businesses in general a bad rep. I just asked a simple question when I came across it doing a Google search. Thanks to all those who replied in a polite manner.

        • Helena

          I don’t think URTD was aiming to be judgemental but to give you advice. You came to this site to ask something fairly unreasonable, so you shouldn’t be surprised when the spotlight is shone on your business.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            What Amber apparently fails to understand is that running a business illegally can land her in jail or prison. If she thinks my advice is judgmental I wonder what she will think when the Attorney General comes knocking on her door. THEY will certainly be judgmental in her eyes.

          • Factitious_Detector

            I don’t even have an opinion on this other than to make some observations:

            Make sure you know what you are doing when you call attention to yourself on a page full of InvestiGooglers.

            Seriously, just rebrand and go legit, the people that follow you will get it. If you haven’t registered as an LLC you REALLY do not want to be photographing people without INSURANCE, and no, your home owners and such does not cover such things.

            It may sound harsh, but you are not protecting yourself, and you are not protecting your clients. Better to get a gruff correction than a half-million dollar settlement for negligence, and no coverage.

            You can’t just put out a signboard, do the minimum, and be a “business” unless you are doing something that doesn’t involve anyone else.

          • I completely understand and know how to become legal.You do not have to have a LLC in Michigan to do business. I do everything legal, I have liability and equipment insurance, I do pay taxes which I know many others do NOT..ect ect.. As previously stated I am probably changing my name also.

          • Celine (peaceetc)

            I may be wrong, but I think you might be missing what they’re trying to say. An LLC would protect you should a client try to sue you. As a DBA, it’s all on you, but if you have an LLC, then it would be on the business and not you directly. So in this case, it’s not a matter of technically being required to have one, but it’s an extremely good idea.

          • No, I know its a good idea and why. I just haven’t done it yet.

        • Hahahha did you just rate yourself and made sure you got 5 stars?????

          Pathetic way to self advertise

        • Knows AMB Well

          Question AMB why not go to Allisons Bumgardners page and ask her nice to stop stealing it would make your life and her’s must better and oh yea tell her to go to school.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Amber Barkholtz of AMB Photography & Design in Grand Blanc, MI,

      That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works. You can’t just come in here and demand something, then when you don’t get what you want, or worse, find out that what you’re doing is likely illegal, delete your comments and then flag them when it turns out you can’t actually delete.

      YOU decided to come here and attack. Your words here are permanent. Google & Bing have them now attached to your SEO permanently.

      More advice: The name you picked is already a registered business in MI and not by you. So the claim that you have a DBA is dubious at best since they won’t let you have a DBA that’s already a licensed business.

      • I do have a DBA and it is registered with my county in which I live. I have an EIN number and paper work to prove it. I am in fact 100% legal. I dont need your opinion/s to jeopardize my business. I dont know why you are personally attacking me now, as this page of this website was about someone else stealing photos and breaking copyright laws using a business name similar to mine. I simply asked,not demanded, if anything could be done about this as It popped up in a google search, not to be attacked by bully’s of the internet. I suggest you find something else to do with your time. I apprecaite all of your advice.

  • PSA:Word of advice “flagging” a post is pointless.

  • Tiffany

    I don’t understand why this lady is not out of business!! You guys obviously didn’t do your job right because she is still making her money worry free at this point. So applaud to all the people who wasted their time trying to get the word out on her thieving. She still is doing big shoots and still ripping people off on shitty photos!! She’s still winning and all you guys are are a blast from the past. This lady needs GONE!!
    Who’s with me ?!

    • We/I dont care if a photographer makes money or that their images are shitty our sole purpose is to bring to light photographers that steal the works of others. We/I do not care once they clean up and use their own work .

      • Tiffany

        So by keeping my pictures protected I’m have to continue looking at their shitty photos to make sure mine aren’t in there? Can I not take pictures in peace?! No, because of grimy photographers like this.

        • Just a Girl

          Sure you can take pictures in peace. Just pull out your camera and do it. Its YOUR choice to go back and check up on her. THAT has nothing to do with this Blog.

        • Helena

          Just log into image raider, select all your photos and set it to scan monthly. Job done.

        • Me, Myself and I

          HOLY F&*K!

          When did it become our job to manage YOUR business? Take some F&^*king accountability for your own success or failures!

          she is getting more work than you then up your marketing game.

          FFS.

    • Just a Girl

      Pretty sure you are alone in your whine. “OUR” job as you call it is to call her out for stealing. If she is not stealing its no ones business. Who cares if someone wants to buy her shitty pictures. I don’t. Thats on the person willing to shell out the money for shitty photos without doing a little bit of checking. I care if she is stealing someone elses work. Unless you can prove that shes doing something other then selling her own work- it doesn’t belong here.

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      What job? None of us get paid for our time here. We volunteer to help Photo Stealers deal with the thieves. We can’t force someone to go out of business. If you want to see something more done, then I suppose you’ll have to do it yourself, because there is nothing more we can do.

    • Paul G.

      Generally when you start off by insulting a group, you don’t then end with a rallying call of “who’s with me” to get them to then do something for you. If she’s actually stealing again please feel free to include some links to the stolen work.

      • Marc W.

        Screw you!

        Who’s with me?!

    • Me, Myself and I

      We didn’t do “our job” right?

      I didn’t know we were getting paid here.

      Our job was to get her to stop using stolen pictures? Did she? A quick look at her profile shows one picture that isn’t hers but it is kind of a grey area … it is a shot done with a backdrop she just ordered, the shot is taken form the companies site and she clearly identifies it as such … I think she is in the clear (would have to see what the licence at the website says for that picture).

      The rest of the pictures on her site are her own crap pictures …

      “She still is doing big shoots and still ripping people off on shitty photos!”

      But she isn’t ripping them off, her website is filled with crappy to mediocre photography. Her customers hire her knowing this so they aren’t being ripped off. It’s not false advertising, it’s not “bait and switch” … not unless she is using a printed portfolio filled with stolen images to book gigs.

      If clients are hiring her for her crap pictures instead of you, it means one of two things:

      1- She is a better photographer than you or,
      2- She is a better marketer than you.

      Or maybe both.

      Our “job” wasn’t to destroy her business, our “job” was to get her to stop using stolen photos … she did … we won … hooray for us. You are welcome for all the time and effort we donated to that cause … ingrate.

      • Marc W.

        But not all of the photos that showoff the backgrounds state this!

        Also, don’t think you can just take the background company’s photos and use it… especially if it’s another photographer’s photo.

        • keca

          I noticed that, too. Isn’t it only the one that says that? It’s so glaringly obvious that there’s more than one, all you have to do is scroll through her crap and right away you can see those that she didn’t take and doesn’t point out that they aren’t hers. Yes, some of them have watermarks, but a couple are completely unreadable. Either way, it’s super shady given her past as an image thief.

          • Marc W.

            I’ve contacted that photographer, she contacted our friend.

          • Me, Myself and I

            Awesome! I just didn’t have the time yesterday to follow up on that picture. :/

        • Me, Myself and I

          I agree, I just didn’t have the time to double check it, I was at my day job and we had just returned from an emergency evacuation (not a drill, a small fire emptied out a 13 story office complex) so things were a bit hectic. I did mention I would have to check the comapnies ToS. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • captain-confuzzled

    honestly, you are just sounding envious. If she is stealing photos, we want to know. If not, your business woes are your own to worry about.

  • Melinda Potter

    lmao Tiffany, I want to thank you for the giggles.

    People are so darn funny

  • Christopher C.

    You don’t pluralize with apostrophes. The word is “asses.”

  • keca

    I have to agree with the other members here. If this person’s awful photography is outselling yours, you either need to address your own photography skills or your marketing skills. I would suggest taking the energy that you’re using to insult the members here and figure out how you can boost your own business.

    If you’ve any skill at all, you’re better than the crap photos she’s producing, but it means squat if you can’t get your service out in front of people.

    ETA: This was supposed to be a response to Tiffany’s rant below…..

  • Brandon

    I thought you might find this as interesting as I did. I am in search for a photographer for my wedding and while I am doing my research this photographer’s page comes up. I go to there Facebook page and find this post attached? So I figured I would do a little more research on them through Google to find her web page so I can look at there gallery online. Then I find this page. If this person is stealing photos he/she has a lot of balls to post something like that about other photographers. Just thought it was funny after reading your guys comments. I posted a comment on there Facebook page “Camera’s may not make you a photographer, but stealing makes you a thief” and posted the link to this page but she deleted it.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Typical!
      It also makes me wonder if she’s stealing again.

      • Brandon

        The day of her event turn them in for serving alcohol as a business without a liquor license. They must be really dumb people to post something like that insulting new photographers. Everyone starts somewhere! It would be no different than me insulting someone for wanting the same job as me because I’m the only person in this world that can do my job! Their dumbasses! They will put there self out of business no need for anyone else to do anything. Just sit back and watch!

        • U Really That Dumb?

          It would be hilarious if one of the “Clients” is either an UC or their spouse! Not only would they throw her in jail, but all of her gear would be seized as well. Then the only pictures she could take are those of others. Wait, she’s already done that!

          • Brandon

            That’s a great idea!

        • CrackerJacker

          Hell, I’m about to do a citizen’s arrest for consistent misuse of ‘their’. She’s KILLING ME!!!

    • Christopher C.

      “Real photographers shoot manual RAW!”

      Silly me. I was under the impression that “real” photographers simply understand how (and when) to use manual, as well as how and when to use shutter or aperture priority.

      If I had to shoot M 100% of the time, I’d kill myself.

    • Knows AMB Well

      No Real Photographers go to school to learn the trade! because it is a trade and a piece of the real photographers Soul because they put their hart and soul into their work because it is their life’s work it is how the photographer see the world.

      • Marc W.

        You spelled heart wrong.

        Either way, she stole.

        • Knows AMB Well

          Sorry Heart ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Knows AMB Well

          What can we do about her how can we make the little twit pay and learn her lesson she should jave to pay the real owners of thses photos even know she took them Down they was used.

      • Knows AMB Well

        that photo you see their was plub. in a reall book ask little ms. AMB if she ever once tried hard enough to get her work out their. nope

      • Your and idiot some “REAL” photographers do to school … Like all/most trades there is schooling and training.
        Sent from a iPhone, please excuse the brevity and typos.

  • U Really That Dumb?

    I’m curious if she researched the local liquor laws. In most jurisdictions she’s going to need a liquor license to serve alcohol.
    Then again, she doesn’t care if she steals images so why follow the liquor laws.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      Is she selling it or giving it as a freebie?
      And also shouldn’t it be “than you” not “then you”?

  • Knows AMB Well

    what’s the update on AMB?

    • captain-confuzzled

      is she stealing photos?

      • Knows AMB Well

        Captain, i have been out of the loop for a while i knows she still stealing because she doesn’t know of any other way she dose not have the smarts or her own creative mind. she is selfish and she is illegal.

        • captain-confuzzled

          we need to see some proof of active stealing before you’ll see much interest here.

  • Iphone is never a forgiving medium of chatting when one is busy. I can care less about anyone typos when i know the reason but it does not change the spirit of my comment. All trades have a school of some type either a mentor or a certified school no one can unilaterally say that there are no pros in a trade felid that has not gone to one so your comment makes you sound like an uneducated fool. So the name fits …. btw i just dont call anyone a idiot just special people where it fits.
    Sent from a iPhone, please excuse the brevity and typos.