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Doug Gordon in Lindenhurst, NY Part Two

Website:  http://www.douggordonworkshops.com/
Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Doug-Gordon-Workshops/191007682903

If you aren’t familiar with Doug Gordon’s past incident with plagiarism, here is the link to the post from last July.  The tl;dr summary is that last summer it was discovered that  Doug Gordon was not only plagiarizing tweets and Facebook statuses but also blog posts and his biography in various places on the internet including Facebook, Twitter and his websites.

Since the last post went live, Doug (and Jasmine) both were taken off of the speaking rosters at WPPI.   Doug did end up speaking at WPPI at the tradeshow in Nikon’s booth - he was recently named an ambassador of the brand.   However, outside of his own speaking tour Doug has not been speaking on many national platforms.  When the roster for Shutterfest was announced quite a few photographers expressed their displeasure of seeing Doug’s name among the list and a conversation started on Missy MWAC/Lynn Cartia’s Facebook page (same person, she had to change her name due to Facebook rules).  During the discussion, it was discovered that Doug’s new workshop bio was also plagiarized.  In referencing internet caches, it appears that his workshop website underwent a redesign this year and the “All About Us” blurb went live in March/April of 2014.

Update 06/23/2014 @ 8:00PM

Per Sal Cincotta, Doug has been removed from the lineup for Shutterfest and as a contributor to his magazine.

Update 07/09/2014 @ 5:00PM

Per F Stoppers, Doug is no longer a Nikon Ambassador. He is currently still listed as a speaker for Photo Plus Expo in October with Nikon listed as one of his sponsors.

Comparison:

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Original source

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Not long after the above was revealed, the All About Us bio disappeared from Doug’s workshop page and was replaced with the same bio that is on his Nikon ambassador’s page which was written by SIR Marketing (the original All About Us was not).

Doug told Gary Fong that the above bio was originally part of the plagiarism that was brought to light last year and it was missed when cleaning up his website.   The problem with this reasoning is that I captured the bio last year as it was plagiarized, it just wasn’t the same bio.   This is the “penguin” bio that he also had on his Facebook profiles and pages and is still out there on at least one of Doug’s profiles online.   Here it is again so you do not have to go back to the original post.  The “SIR inspired” bio was not on the page at that time.

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Gary took the above information back to Doug and also chatted with SIR Marketing.  Here is the email I have from both (with permission to publish).  Tl;dr: Steve from SIR Marketing was hired by Doug to write his current bio which also appears on his Nikon Ambassador profile.  He did not write, nor did Doug have permission to use, the bio that was in use until yesterday that plagiarized SIR’s own about page.

“Hi everybody.  I came to Doug Gordon’s defense after hearing so much about the circumstances behind what had happened with his stealing intellectual property.  I spoke to him this morning, and in the same vein, he rigorously maintained that he didn’t do anything wrong.  (He still does).
I’ve known him professionally for years, and I know he is not an articulate writer, and that he has had people write his copy.  I’d say 99% of the professional world does this.  That’s not the issue.  The issue is that in 7/13 he told me a very valid explanation of the awkward situation he was in, where the ‘intern’ lifted material from the internet, and that it was a very personal matter.  I believed him, asked him if this was his word of honor, and he said it was.  I also reiterated that if he lied to me, I’d find out about it, and I would not stick up for him any longer.

This morning I posted again, after speaking with him, that he did not do it.  I was bombarded with evidence from the internet archives that he in fact did steal again.  That puts me in an awkward place, because I asked him repeatedly to be straight with me.  He said he has never lied to me or stolen ever in his life.  And I believed him.

Today I made a few phone calls to check up on his representations.  Most notably, I spoke to Stephen Rosenbaum from SIR Marketing.  Stephen confirmed that Doug stole the content from SIR’s “about us” page, that he had no permission to do so, and that what Doug did was wrong.  Stephen did write the bio for the Nikon website, but was not compensated for it, nor has Doug ever hired SIR as an agency.  Stephen is very concerned about the negative fallout that SIR has received from this, and I concur that SIR has done nothing wrong.

I can say this without fear of actionable libel or slander.  Doug Gordon has repeatedly lied to me, and has stolen from others.  I was sticking up for him because of the story he shared with me from the past, but I doubt that anything Doug says is true.

You can share/post/ republish this as you wish.  I am not going to get involved into contacting Nikon about this information, but the buying public should be aware of this as should Nikon.  I am contacting Sal as I consider Sal a friend of mine, and Sal is a very, very dedicated professional concerned about the good of our industry.

Lastly, here is the email I received from SIR and Stephen Rosenbaum and I have permission to publish it.  I think it puts the nail on the coffin, so to speak.

I am very angry and upset that I have been misled by Doug Gordon.  This isn’t about mob mentality – it’s about what is good for our industry, what is good for the buying public, and what is right vs. wrong.  Doug Gordon has pleaded for forgiveness, and gave his word that he didn’t do it in the past, and he wouldn’t do it again.  He was caught, again, lying and stealing.

Here is Stephen Rosenbaum’s letter.  P.S. I asked Doug to please come clean with me, and tell me the truth about this issue.  He insisted that he has never lied or stolen at any time.

===================================================

Hi Gary,

As you requested, I hope this will shed light on the mystery/controversy regarding Doug Gordon that apparently unfolded on the Facebook page of Lynn Cartia, last night.

Earlier this year, photographer and educator Doug Gordon asked to hire me to write an up-to-date, professional biography for him, that he could use for marketing/promotional purposes.

Please note that Doug is not – and was not – a client of my Public Relations Agency (S.I.R. Marketing Communications, Inc.). Nonetheless, I agreed to write his bio and I waved any Fee out of friendship and as a personal favor to Doug – whom I’ve known for many years as a knowledgeable, experienced and passionate professional photographer and educator.

Incidentally, writing executive bios is a service we provide to our clients, as needed. However, when we do so we never seek nor do we expect to receive authorship credits. Nonetheless, on his website Doug chose to credit us for writing his bio, which was an unnecessary, but pleasant surprise to me.

Also appearing on the Facebook message thread were various other comments surrounding the similarity between my Agency’s “About Us” (http://www.sironline.com/about.htm) website page (which we wrote and published on my Agency’s website more than a decade ago) and a similar statement that was published on Doug Gordon’s website. I’m sorry but I can’t explain anything about that because neither my Agency nor I had any involvement with, or knowledge of that modified material, which appeared on Doug’s site.

Finally, as you may know I’ve spent the bulk of my career in and around photography and the imaging industry. My reputation, and by extension – my Agency’s reputation remains important to me and it is an integral part of the original and creative work we do for our clients. To that end, I hope this helps to clear up any confusion that might exist regarding the scope of our recent work on behalf of Doug Gordon.

Regards,

Steve

S.I.R. Marketing Communications, Inc.
www.sironline.com

 It’s crazy really that this even has to be a topic of conversation AGAIN but here we are.

 

 

  • V323

    And time for the Vodka popcorn.

  • Marc W.

    His name is tainted and it’s not even because of PS. It’s his peers that are calling him out.

  • BullShite

    It’s amazing this douchebag can even have a job in this industry anymore… and you would THINK a brand like Nikon would do a basic google search to see if their potential spokespeople were lying, thieving criminals.

    • C Sab

      Almost makes me wanna drop the brand and get a Canon. Or a Sony mirrorless of all things.

      • Helena

        Come over to the dark side. We have booze!

      • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

        Sony is doing some fairly exciting stuff (I’m a Canon shooter).
        a7s with ISO 409600
        curved sensor …

        interesting stuff.

        Hoping for some interesting sensor tech from Canon soon.

        • C Sab

          Yeah Sony’s latest stuff looks pretty impressive.

  • peaceetc

    Integrity — Doug Gordon has none.

    I would like to think this will finally make his followers wise up and realize the kind of crook he is, but I’m not that stupid. This was a pattern of his well before he was outed the first time, and it continues to be a pattern of his now.

  • V323

    Mad props to Gary Fong. Now, let’s see what Sal Cincotta says.

    • BullShite

      What is with this culture that it has suddenly become more noble to forgive the most unabashedly repeating offenders, than it is to PROTECT those that might be harmed by them?

      Putting such an untalented hack with a history of CRIME against other photographers (etc) on a pedestal, is complete injustice for those who have been victimized, and any of his future victims that he can rob so long as he has said pedestal.

      There is definitely either some money behind this absolute disregard for those that FOLLOW THE LAW (trade shows ALWAYS generate some level of income, wether or not they are ‘free’, or have zero visible corporate sponsorship, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise, I’ve been on the working end of plenty of those) or he’s just so damn stubborn he doesn’t want to admit he’s been duped.

      But hey keep forgiving the assholes at the expense of the GOOD PEOPLE…. sounds so sensible and ethical and NOBLE (gotta keep giving those “chances”) to me. :P

    • Justin Case

      having read that whole crazy thread this morning, I think Sal is in WAY too deep to back out now. It’s a shame.

    • ForFCKSake

      The only thing Cincotta do to make it right it to take him off the roster AND get rid of him as a contributor to his magazine. We’re talking about a guy who wrote an article about Doug (and Jasmine) adding to the exposure of Doug’s shenanigans, but then adds Doug as a contributor and puts him in front of another audience on top of it (so Doug can sell more stuff.)

      Gordon is obviously a pathetic liar, but Cincotta is a hypocrite.

  • Marc W.

    OT: I was reading the FB thread with the discussion on it and this FB user jumped out at me.

    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003576673565&fref=ufi

    • Helena

      Link doesn’t work. It’s dumps me on my page. :/

      • BullShite

        Might only be set to US, works for me.

        • Helena

          Damnit!

          • BullShite

            Download the Tor browser! ;)

          • Helena

            I’m horizontal right now (default position at the moment) so on my phone. I have Tor on my laptop but it’s all the way downstairs. *whine*

      • Marc W.

        Sowwy. Here’s a screenshot.

        • Marc W.

          Bueller?

          • Photo Stealers

            To see it you need to refresh, Disqus can be stupid.

          • Marc W.

            I did refresh. My F5 key was smoking. :)

        • Helena

          Ha!

    • KimJ

      The link works for me.

    • KimJ

      OMG is this the same Marcus from Dallas? It is no wonder he steals, like father like son.

      • Justin Case

        pretty sure it’s just a troll with a sense of humor.

        • KimJ

          oh damn :p

        • Marc W.

          Yeah, pretty much. Check out the schools they’ve been to.

        • Lindsay11

          OMG who is it? That is hysterical!

  • Jon

    From the first moment I saw him and the awkward crappy cropping he used I thought to myself why is this guy teaching others?

    • BullShite

      I’m curious to know how he got where he is…. I am guessing like most untalented people do…. his only “gifts” are being able to charm and weasel his way in, lie without conscience, and then rely on the fact that those he duped would be too embarrassed to admit they were fooled when they see what he actually produces… or in this case the level of his theft.

      • http://californiatraveler.blogspot.com Suz

        Well, I’m sure that being a second generation photographer helps lend him credibility as a business. His dad may have given him a turnkey business, but he certainly didn’t give him any talent.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          Or ethics!

          • http://californiatraveler.blogspot.com Suz

            True dat!

          • BullShite

            It IS hard to respect something you didn’t earn yourself I suppose… and I am sure Daddy still has his industry connections…..his father should be just as ashamed that he raised a lazy, lying, entitled little brat.

  • Cinobite

    Ah the old “it was the intern”

  • LoLTonelica

    Hand in the cookie jar again? Really? Did he really expect people to not be watching him?

  • http://californiatraveler.blogspot.com Suz

    Maybe I should send this link to Doug. Sounds like he could use it:

    THE ULTIMATE SOCIAL MEDIA SWIPE FILE

    COPY & PASTE THESE 72 PROVEN HEADLINE FORMULAS TO GET MORE CLICKS FROM FACEBOOK, TWITTER AND YOUR OWN BLOG…

    http://www.digitalmarketer.com/lp/ultimate-social-media-swipe-file/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook-Ads&utm_content=RyanFB&utm_campaign=Facebook-Advertising&Contact0LeadSourceId=4849

  • Just a Girl

    Once a thief. …………

  • C Sab

    The fact that people keep asking him to speak at their events is just insanely stupid. (Yes I’m back. lol)

    Also, really Nikon? You’re making a guy whose career is built on stolen images your ambassador? Wow…

    • U Really That Dumb?

      That alone speaks volumes about their marketing interns!

      • C Sab

        Clearly. I’m almost ashamed to use their brand.

    • http://californiatraveler.blogspot.com Suz

      It really makes me sad to be a Nikon shooter.

      • Justin Case

        or ProFoto, or Adorama, or Bay Photo. DG is dirtying a LOT of good reputations.

        • http://californiatraveler.blogspot.com Suz

          I don’t use any of those other vendors. In fact, I wrote to Bay and Adorama the FIRST time he was outed. Bay was the only one to respond and it was all “second chance, forgiveness…yada yada.”

    • Justin Case

      to be accurate, just stolen words, not images.

      • C Sab

        Stolen anything. Doesn’t really matter.

    • Lindsay11

      Hey C Sab! I was wondering why you weren’t posting lately. Hope alls well!

      • C Sab

        It is, just been busy with work. :P But I’m back now!

        • U Really That Dumb?

          So you did you get the right mouse button fixed? LOL

          • C Sab

            Only took me 3 weeks. :D

        • Lindsay11

          I know! I’ve read everything here and I had noticed you stopped commenting… OK that sounds stalkery! But glad your work is keeping you busy.

  • Craig John

    What?!? Dog has been caught stealing again? Has it been six months already?!?

    • U Really That Dumb?

      I’m sure we will see J* here shortly…

      • Amber Kost

        That’s what I was thinking :p

      • C Sab

        I’m surprised she isn’t here already.

      • Lindsay11

        Has anyone looked through her junk lately?

  • Just a Girl

    It is beyond comprehension that he thought he could lie to Gary Fong, continue to steal and not have anyone notice. The narcissism is like sludge!

    • C Sab

      Narcissism is nothing new ehen it comes to these talentless hacks.

      • Just a Girl

        SO TRUE! :)

        • C Sab

          I actually love narcissists. They’re the ultimate irony. They act like their the second coming of Christ and yet they are some of the most insecure people on the planet. They literally need to surround themselves with people that think they’re great or they feel dead on the inside. Basically, when they decide to try and talk shit to us, it makes them so easy to fuck with.

          • Just a Girl

            OH this made me laugh! ROCKstars! ( and my ex husband hahaha)

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  • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

    I think this is the end to Doug Gordon’s reign. I think he will just stick to shooting weddings and stuff …no more workshops or public speaking a…

    • U Really That Dumb?
      • C Sab

        Nah just stupid.

    • Justin Case

      Sadly, I doubt it. But maybe some of his big name sponsors will start to rethink their relationship with him now that he’s starting to alienate some big names.

      There will always be some who fall for the kind of snake-oil DG is selling, but he certainly doesn’t deserve the big stages people have so kindly provided for him.

      • C Sab

        Once the sponsorships stop coming in he’ll notice the effect his lies are having. Hopefully soon his name will be mud.

        • BullShite

          It’s sponsorship that keeps these guys going. Without it they are seriously limited in their ability to do what they do, since sponsorship pays a LOT of the travel/hotel/ etc expenses. Gigs like this are not as lucrative if you wind up paying ALL of your own expenses. (I’ve done behind the scene stuff at tradeshows before.) Without the corporate sponsorship, chances are he will be relegated to more local “teaching” where word will probably spread faster.

          I hope he loses everything, he certainly deserves it. He needs to be SUED.

          • C Sab

            Hence my comment. lol I agree though, he deserves to fall into obscurity for the rest of his meaningless life.

          • BullShite

            I know, but there were some claims on the FB thread that this wasn’t “about the money”, so I thought I’d take the opportunity to elaborate. Trade shows are pretty much corporate sponsorship 100%… and Sal claiming he “makes no money” on this stuff….well if he truly doesn’t…. he’s not SPENDING any money either, I can promise that…..

          • Justin Case

            I think this comment is right on the money.

            (Pun completely intended.)

    • smiles4angels@yahoo.com

      As long as his ” excuses” falls on sympathetic ears, he will still resurface… maybe they could hire a PR firm to turn this story around into one big inspiring story, you know one that gets a lot of social media attention, get the people talking/intrigued/curious etc…

      • reginassissimo

        oh darn disquss… why didn’t you sign me in fully… :/

    • U Really That Dumb?

      There is so much Cool-Aid going around I hate to say it, I doubt it.
      Have you read the reviews? Have you read the attacks on the people that tried to call him out? Sad!

      • C Sab

        I dare those clowns to attack me, I’ll rip apart anything they try and throw at me. Though pretty much everyone here can do that.

  • Sarah

    Doug Gordon is no longer listed as an instructor for ShutterFest 2015

  • Amber Kost

    And another hard core follower. “I’ll take him at his word”…maybe before he takes you for YOUR words

    • BullShite

      “But he knows how to teach all of that stolen stuff SO WELL…. that’s enough for me!! Derp!”

      People sicken me. The level of stupidity makes me want to join some other, more logical species…. like just succeed from this whole moronic animal we are.

      • Helena

        Become a dolphin! I’m shocked at this guy as well. He doesn’t get it. Anyone could go out and teach photography using stolen information.

        • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

          Well … I don;t 100% agree with you on that. It does take good “presence” to convey the information. I’d be balls at it … not a good public speaker.

          But yeah … Doug, write your own material!

          • Helena

            Yes, but delivery and public speaking are things that can be learned. I’m more shocked at the commenter and his die hard commitment to someone who is a complete fraud!

          • U Really That Dumb?

            It’s called a cult…

          • Helena

            Thanks for that. I actually did LOL.

        • Justin Case

          I think you’re missing the point a bit here. I actually wanted to see what all the fuss was about, so I watched about half of one of his lessons.

          The information is nothing special, he’s really pretty mediocre technically, but what he excels at is presentation. It matters little what someone like Doug Gordon decides to teach, it’s all about the delivery.

          He’s not giving away any secrets, but he exudes self-confidence, and I think that is why his weak-minded devotees fall for his excuses time after time.

          • Helena

            Delivery can be learned behaviour though, and you do get better with practice.

            I was more surprised by the weak minded devotee (as you so eloquently put) who just didn’t give a shit that the guy is a fake! I mean really! What’s it going to take to change his mind?

          • BullShite

            Well on the aside, I am sure he can find work in one of those tent revival things.

    • Helena

      You and Kim are just trolls! Internet trolls! Argh! *runs away screaming*

      • Amber Kost

        Wait, what? Who’s Kim? Lol

        • KimJ

          Me :)

          • Amber Kost

            Hi, I’m internet troll. Nice to meet you :)

  • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

    So …
    1- he gets kicked of the speakers list at WPPI for plagirisim.
    2- He get’s kicked out of Shutter Fest for Plagirism.

    What’s it going to take for him to understand? Losing his Nikon sponsorship?

    • Photo Stealers

      Considering that he gained that after #1, I doubt it will happen.

      • Amber Kost

        That’s what I was thinking. I guess a name is more important than ethics :/

  • Inku

    Who’s Doug Gordon?

    • Just a Girl

      eh, no one really. Just another thief.

    • C Sab

      No-one important.

  • BullShite

    Gee, that was real thoughtful of Sal to sort of maybe CONSIDER THE VITIMS that his “second chance” for this loser RE-VICTIMIZES…. seriously, how can he put this guy over GOOD PEOPLE? He deserves no accolades… clearly he did this begrudgingly, though hopefully at the expense of a little of his personal dignity, something he would deserve to lose as a result of continued support of a criminal, and NOT the people that were stolen from.

    I’m glad this douchebag is not on the roster anymore, but that removal should have come with an APOLOGY to the LEGITIMATE people in the industry, who are the real ones behind the “wonderful” teaching. Why not hire THEM next time? Give the REAL talent a chance?

    Oh, but that would require having balls, and morals. Unbelievable.

    • Amber Kost

      I can somewhat understand, add they had been colleagues and (somewhat) friends for years. Being in that position, I would probably do the same, but I’m gullible as hell too. Hopefully, he won’t give another thief a second chance, after this embarrassment.

  • cfw

    A thief, and a liar. Why am I not surprised?

  • Lindsay11

    Every thing about this guy is jaw dropping. When I read post one a few months ago I was shocked someone so well known was caught out. I figured for sure he had straightened up because he’s in the public light and if he wanted to keep his jobs and speaking engagements and sponsorships he’d keep his nose super clean. I didn’t know anything about the guy so when he was given a second chance I didn’t think too much about it, he had friends who wanted to help him, whatever.

    But to see this!? This is so much worse than the first time. His friends put themselves and their business on the line to give this man a second chance and he did the exact same thing. It’s got to be pathological! He had to have known he would be caught! This is pretty shocking. I see he has supporters still, but I imagine even those will drop off. I think he may have just ruined his life. Who is going to give this man a third chance?

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Third? Try fifth! This is the fourth time he’s been caught.

      • Badsey Snapper

        Fourth?

        • U Really That Dumb?

          See post above.

      • Lindsay11

        Yeah I’m getting caught up on Lynn’s facebook page. I meant second post here I guess. Sal really went off about “mob mentality” and “haters” and how he was going to rise above this and wait for MORE PROOF than the proof people were throwing at him. Amazing. I guess that’s how these people like Doug keep doing it and getting away with it, people like Sal. I’m glad he eventually gets it.

      • Lindsay11

        I’m going to reread his first post here as soon as I’m done with Lynn’s page, but are all the times he was caught documented here? Or did some of them happen elsewhere?

        • U Really That Dumb?

          See the post above.

      • Photo Stealers

        There are other times he’s been caught but it was dealt with privately. This has been a long standing problem of Doug’s and I’m surprised that Sal didn’t do more research into this prior to giving him this “second” chance.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Yes folks, this is Doug’s FOURTH time!
    1. Caught in June 2013 – 10 plagiarized posts removed with little notice.Instead of removing all plagiarized material, it was left up.
    2. Caught again in July 2013 with more plagiarized material and very Black Hat SEO work using other photographers names.
    3. DG then blames someone else for this mess. I didn’t do it. Look on Photo Stealers, how many there blame the web designer/intern/aliens/website hacked for the stolen photos?
    4. Somehow thing blows over, and he’s back at WPPI for Nikon and is given a 4th chance by Sal ( which of course set everybody off yesterday ) Today we have two DG friends saying you can’t believe a word he says.
    5. Will Nikon continue to give the guy a 5th chance.

    See: https://www.facebook.com/MWACattack/posts/547520392019839

    • U Really That Dumb?

      I guess you could say it’s all ONE because he lied from the beginning and never really changed.

    • Lindsay11

      Thank you for laying that out! I just saw Black Hat SEO on Lynn’s fb too, so for anyone who, like me, was confused, here’s a definition. Black hat SEO refers to the use of aggressive SEO tactics that do not follow search engines rules. For example, keyword stuffing and invisible text.

    • Lindsay11

      Also, unless you are Keith I find it amusing you copied someone else’s comments on a post about copying ;)

  • Badsey Snapper

    Has DG blamed anyone as yet (intern, the dog, God, aliens), or is he trying to ride this one out by keeping shtum?

    • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

      Yeah, intern/developer.
      “Old content left over from the last time I got called out for stealing” (I’m paraphrasing).

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Too bad there is evidence to the contrary.
        Don’t you just HATE screen captures and Google Cache!

      • Badsey Snapper

        The last time he got caught and didn’t bother to check he’d got rid of all the evidence?
        Or, the last time he nearly had his career destroyed he left the job of clearing up the shit to a (probably) unpaid, temporary employee. Hmm, might of thought he would have cleared up the smelly stuff himself. (Heavy British irony in evidence here)

      • Justin Case

        do you have a link? No mention of the controversy on his fb page.

        But it looks like some of the Kool-Aid might be wearing off:

        • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

          Corey mentions it in the details above but it;s somewhere in here.
          https://www.facebook.com/MWACattack/posts/546884075416804?comment_id=547337708704774&offset=0&total_comments=252

          Here is the paragraph a bit higher up on this.

          “Doug told Gary Fong that the above bio was originally part of the plagiarism that was brought to light last year and it was missed when cleaning up his website. The problem with this reasoning is that I captured the bio last year as it was plagiarized, it just wasn’t the same bio. This is the “penguin” bio that he also had on his Facebook profiles and pages and is still out there on at least one of Doug’s profiles online. Here it is again so you do not have to go back to the original post. The “SIR inspired” bio was not on the page at that time.”

          • Justin Case

            Thanks for the links, I’ve been following both of those threads since the beginning. I was just wondering if our ol’ friend DG has said anything PUBLICLY, but I guess that would be out of character.

        • U Really That Dumb?
  • Lindsay11

    Photo Stealers is second on his google results.

    • KimJ

      We can get that to number one

    • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

      Thats just sad … I mean this guy has to feel this. Either make a change or die metaphorically speaking.

    • KimJ

      You need to come to this page via the Google search for it to jump to the top. A few clicks a day helps.

  • Justin Case

    These might actually be better than bingo cards:
    http://missymwac.tumblr.com/post/88488697165/honest-photography-t-shirts
    (avaiable only in Doug Gordon black™)
    …and thanks to whoever brought Missy MWAC into my life… I’m going to be eating a lot more bacon.

  • Lindsay11

    The more I’m reading the sadder I get. So many comments like, “So what, it’s just a few tweets!” or “wake me up when he steals a photo” or “I don’t care, I don’t like him because he’s a writer” or “but he teaches so well!”

    Yikes! How can there be people out there that can think this way?

    • C Sab

      Because people are idiots.

  • Marc W.

    Who was it that liked graphs?

    • Helena

      Oh where is Lindsay when you need her?!

      • Just a Girl

        I was real surprised she wasnt on this before it came out! LOL She must be having that thing called a “life” lately! LOL

        • Lindsay11

          LOL! Yes, unfortunately, it’s busy here lately! My mom broke a few bones and can’t move much so I’ve been taking care of her. I never realized how much my mom did every day till I get to her house in the morning and she hands me a list. Being mom at two houses in two different towns is hard!

    • U Really That Dumb?

      I said I like giraffes. Not graphs. Those are way too scientific and prove way too many things!

      Giraffes at least will stick their neck out for you. :-)

    • peaceetc

      Wow, that’s a pretty big drop. I guess I can still have a little faith in humanity after all.

      • C Sab

        A sliver.

    • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

      Interesting … his likability took a major drive after photostealers post.

    • Lindsay11

      MEMEMEME! haha I love this graph. Graphs are awesome for TLDR people. One look at this tells you all you need to know about Doug Gordon.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      It’s still going down today.

    • C Sab

      Love it.

    • KimJ

      I had a friend who liked that page, I sent him a link and he very quickly “unliked” it. Plus he posted a link on his page to this.

  • Wes Jones

    How hard can it be to write your own stuff?

    • peaceetc

      The best part is that he was hired by Sal for his magazine. As a *writer*. A guy who apparently can’t string sentences together on his own was hired as a writer. And then when he’s found to be stealing words again, Sal can’t figure out why some of us aren’t so happy with him. It truly baffles the mind.

      • Justin Case

        Excellent point. I just don’t understand people’s thinking… an educator who can’t write: MAYBE a case can be made for that. But a magazine writer who can’t write? Indefensible.

        And again, as an educator who has also worked as a journalist, I can tell you that all those people who are claiming that this is somehow ‘industry standard’ behavior are totally off-base.

        (Sorry Gary Fong, much as I appreciate your efforts on this case – and truly, I give you much respect – the statement “I’d say 99% of the professional world does this” is flatly wrong and ‘everybody does it’ gives people an easy and dangerous excuse for lazy and deceptive behavior. Something we’ve seen WAY too much of).

    • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

      I have no idea…. I mean the man is a public speaker. Why not write from a recording of you speaking. Then again his public speaking could be plagiarized.

    • Marc W.

      I have to say, writing is not easy for everyone. That’s understandable. But you just don’t steal someone’s work.

  • Laurie

    I have taken 2 workshops with him, one this year and one a few years ago. I can honestly say that even if it was true I would not care. He actually explained what happend last year to us and I grew up in the area and had a friend of a friend that worked there verify to me about last year being true. (No reason to lie to me we were just hanging out at a bar and I brought it up casually) Now not talking about blog or anything, Doug was an awesome teacher. It was 3 days that he worked with a group about 20 and it really helped us. There were no written materials just him speaking from the heart. He is one of the best hands on teachers and never snubs the newbie photographers like so many other “famous” photographers do. Disregarding website and any written works, his photography speaks for itself, he has amazing training materials and is a great mentor. To me that is the most important thing about a photographer. Think about this, if you have a medium sized company and you trust and hire someone thinking they are good after seeing them work for awhile do you constantly micromanage them? Do you really think rock stars and rappers are the ones writting their blogs/websites? No you hire someone for that.

    • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

      “he has amazing training materials …”

      No, he has amazing STOLEN training materials. That’s the problem and you apologists are just enabling his behavior.

      “Do you really think rock stars and rappers are the ones writting their blogs/websites? No you hire someone for that.”

      And that’s fine … they HIRED someone. He didn’t hire anyone, he found something he liked on line and took with without compensation! THAT’S THE PROBLEM!

    • http://www.ronmckinneyphotography.com Ron McKinney

      Hi Laurie,
      It was, what?, three paragraphs? Paragraphs that were hardly seen by anyone until they were found to be plagiarized. Three paragraphs that he could have spend 10 minutes on if he wanted it to be original. It’s one of the stupidest acts of plagiarism I have ever heard of. Three paragraphs, and look at what he’s losing. Along with paid gigs like Cincotta’s workshop, and others for sure, his integrity is completely gone now in the industry. Over three stupid paragraphs that could have been originally written in 10 minutes.

      This one’s on him. First, he did it to a friend after asking that friend to write another bio for him for free. He repaid that kindness by plagiarizing his friend’s company’s profile and passing it on as his own. That’s just not cool. But even worse, when all this went down last year, while he blamed interns or whoever for his mess, one thing he did hold himself accountable for was that he should have had more oversight. So no matter what intern (who are always nameless) he blames this one on, just a year ago he said he needed to be more mindful. Whatever. No one is saying Doug Gordon is not a helpful teacher, or that he cares. And that’s what makes this most stupid of all. He makes plenty of money. I don’t know why he couldn’t have just hired his friend to write that bio AND this profile. If he had just done that, he wouldn’t be in this mess.

      • Laurie

        I definitly see your point in that. Has Doug come out with any explaination? I tried seeing if there were any statements. I guess I was trying to defend him as a teacher. I have taken many workshops from all over and to me his was the best. I had really liked the way he treated us and when you speak to him one on one he is so warm and inviting compared to others that I felt were just like ask your question and move on.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          Laurie,
          This is the FOURTH time he’s been caught. NOT the second. There is something wrong with him mentally if he keeps thinking stealing and lying are OK. Perhaps he truly needs psychological help to deal with this. Perhaps it’s his insecurity over getting thrown into this industry on his father’s coat tails. Who knows. Only Doug can answer these questions and as of yet, he’s not talking publicly. Which is sad, because right now the entire industry is crashing down around him. His entire life is falling apart. Every major sponsor is pulling out. Other professionals are removing him (and Sal but that’s a different story) from their lineup, websites, and even FB friends.

        • http://www.ronmckinneyphotography.com Ron McKinney

          So far, Doug has not made a public statement, but that may be due to there being more to the story than what it appears to us. Only time will tell.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Ron,
            There is much more to the story. As someone in the know told me: Follow the money…

        • Photo Stealers

          The last time it took quite a while before Doug ever said a word publicly and it was deleted rather quickly. He has told Gary Fong that it was leftover from the mess last year but it’s been proven that can’t be possible due to screen captures and internet caching.

    • Badsey Snapper

      I understand your good intentions but being good at one thing does not compensate for repeat offending in another area. Could you imagine what would happen if an repeat offender went to court with a defence of, “but he’s kind to animals”, would be?

    • Melinda Potter

      “He is one of the best hands on teachers and never snubs the newbie photographers like so many other “famous” photographers do”. Really?! Does this actually happen? By “famous” do you mean work shoppers that sell to photographers? Why would anyone “snub” their bread and butter?

      I’ll take the “mean” photographers with limited time to help and educate because they are too busy with their photography, over an excellent salesman any day, but that’s just me.

      Hey, who doesn’t love a good informercial performance? They are entertaining as heck. I love them! I’ve watched pretty much every Doug Gordon video out there in Internet land, from beginning to end. Mostly because when I first started taking photography more seriously, I was interested in learning portraiture, and back then all that crazy (illegal) SEO he uses worked, and every time I searched anything lighting or posing related Doug Gordon would pop up like mad. He’s a great performer, and even beats out the shamWOW guy. He’s right up there with the juicer dude and the oxy clean guy in my book. I never bought, but I was entertained and can see why people love to watch him.

      • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

        “He’s a great performer, and even beats out the shamWOW guy.”

        VINCE IS A GOD!!! TAKE THAT BACK!

        Seriously, I find Vince (the ShamWow, SlapChop guy) to be soooooooooooo fake and annoying but then look at this discussion … I knew EXACTLY who you were talking about and what brands he has represented … that’s more than I can say for most other infomercial “icons”.

        As far as Doug is concerned, I wouldn’t even care that the he didn’t write his own content if he had gotten it legally (bought, licensed, hired … whatever).

        I don’t care so much about him not using original material (that happens all the time with music, bands don;t always right their own songs after all) as him repeatedly violating other creatives copyrights.

        • Melinda Potter

          My mistake. I just assumed it was illegal since google doesn’t play with that kind of crap anymore.

          I wonder what would happen if we gave Vince the shamWOW guy a $100 flash light and a camera, and gave Doug a mop? Hmmmm. lol an informercial show down! I’d watch! Don’t think I wouldn’t watch ;)

          • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

            Showdown or … EPIC RAP BATTLE OF HISTORY!

          • Melinda Potter

            Lmao good God! What did I just watch?!

          • C Sab

            One of the most overrated series on Youtube. :P

          • Marc W.

            boo

          • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

            An “Epic Rap Battle of History” featuring Ben Franklin, Billy Mayes (infomercial icon) and Offer Shlomi (aka Vince Offer, aka.: ShamWow guy).

            My favourite ERBH is Einstein vs Hawkings.

          • Melinda Potter

            Oops just looked up the price on the flash light it’s a $400 flashlight not a $100. Holy shit! lol.

            I wonder if it can be split into 4 easy payments?

          • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

            Get a Yungnuo YN-460 for 60$ (manual only) or a Godox Ving860 (140$ – TTL on Canon).

          • Lindsay11

            Good Glob! I looked it up, $459 for a flashlight?? And he jeopardizes such a lucrative business by not writing about himself. WTF?

      • Helena

        People who sell for a living are effervescent and charming, or their sales pitch would fall flat. More to the point, when did you last hear of a conman who displayed little passion or personality? It’s acting essentially.

        P.S. I love infomercials.

    • Marc W.

      “Do you really think rock stars and rappers are the ones writting their blogs/websites? No you hire someone for that.”

      Yes. You don’t steal it. There is no problem with having someone else write it for you. There is a BIG problem with you stealing someone else’s work. That’s what this is about. Nothing about his teaching (unless he stole that too).

      • BullShite

        “Rock Stars and Rappers” typically pay PR firms, or known independent writers for the industry to do their text work….. not these nameless, faceless, copyright ignoring “interns” that all outed thieves seem to have to blame every time they get busted.

        I mean, how does one get the prestigious station of “intern” for such a great “teacher and mentor” when you aren’t even talented enough to write original material…. I mean this is THE AMAZING DOUG GORDON here! Yet somehow he is surrounded by “interns” that time and time again, lie, cheat, and steal, yet never come forward to admit that THEY not their hero and all around good man DOUG GORDON was the thief.

        Doug must just have some pretty crappy luck with interns. :(

        • C Sab

          It’s uncanny!

    • C Sab

      This is probably Doug himself or probably someone who also steals and thus doesn’t see why DG is a scumbag.

      • Norm B

        I can only comment on the part about it being Doug.
        It doesn’t appear to be. The email and IP come back to the same geographical location, and what appears to be a legitimate photography business. They have a FB and Web presence.

        • C Sab

          Then the second part is probably true. We’ll probably be seeing them on the wall of shame soon.

          • Laurie

            How dare you. I shared an honest opinion and who the hell are you to assume I am a fake or I have done something wrong. I shared my opinion of his workshops. I never said what he did was wrong or right. Instead of just joining a lynch mob I wanted to share something personal since I have actually took his workshops and have had a personal experience with him.

      • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

        I don’t think so … I checked on line and this seems to be an original text.
        *insert joke drum beat*

        • C Sab

          Oh ok, makes sense then. lol

    • BullShite

      Wow. So because someone is a “great teacher and mentor” that it’s ok to steal. (The “intern” did it is one of the most common excuses, and it’s crap).

      I think I might steal some of your photos and make money by saying they are mine, and teaching photography lessons. I can be carismatic. That’s COOL WITH YOU RIGHT? Just as long as I am a good teacher and mentor, I can claim your hard work as mine? Just want to make that clear, because that’s the SAME THING as plagurism.

      • C Sab

        That’s what Laurie is saying. You should do it.

        • BullShite

          I wonder if Nikon is going to need a new rep soon? I feel qualified.

          I hope you don’t feel too victimized Laurie when I take some beautiful, heard-earned photograph you’ve done, and talk about how much I struggled to get the perfect angle and lighting, and present it at one of my speaking engagements….. because you’ve clearly just stated it’s “ok” in your mind.

          Given the fact I’ve never taken a photography class, or have any real passion for it, I HAVE TO BORROW your photos! I swear I will be a good teacher and mentor though! Promise! I will be charismatic, and lie so well, I could convince you I am a good person while you watch me kick a kitten, and then I’ll even convince you that kitten was really a demon in disguise.

          In the end you’d be so embarrassed that you’d been duped, your denial would be so deep that you’d be out there every day kicking kittens to save face!

          • C Sab

            Laurie will be so proud of you for following DG’s footsteps.

    • Justin Case

      Hey Laurie.

      I sincerely appreciate your taking the time to post here. I think it helps a lot to actually open up the discussion sometimes.

      And I think it’s great that you enjoyed your workshops. Nothing we can say here should or would take anything away from that.

      The issue for me is very simple, however. If you are a teacher, teach. If you are a writer, write. If you are a teacher who CAN’T write – and this takes nothing away from a person’s teaching – then you should not pretend you can.

      Doug Gordon is a brand, not just a workshop-giver. He sells products. He sells his brand. If Coca-Cola started lying about their product or stealing the advertising from some New Zealand soft-drink that you had never heard of, that would still be plaigerism and deceitful, and I would hope someone would get fired for it.

      Lastly, just because it happens all the time doesn’t make it any more right. If I were a rapper or a rock star, maybe I would call other rockers out on their phony behavior. As I am old and a photographer, I just don’t listen to or read phony bullshit.

    • KimJ

      He can be the worlds best teacher but the fact is this is the 4th time that he has stolen something.
      Hey I know a mass murderer, he is an awesome teacher so it is okay

    • Gary Fong

      Laurie, for the record, what you said in sentence 2 was completely untrue.

    • Ric New

      This site isn’t here to discuss someone’s photography skill or teaching ability. Its kind of a place that polices honesty when it comes to using someone else’s work. I’ve take one of Doug’s work shops as well. And even though I agree he is a good teacher, I look at him differently now. I’m not going to be one of those that look at him all starry eyed and I’m certainly going to be more cautious about any thing he says. I DO think honesty is important in running a business and dealing with your clients. If you’re willing to look the other way, so be it, but me. Nope.

  • Laurie

    WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I sent an honest opinion of my personal experience of this, right or wrong and you assume I am a fake? You check up on me? How can you have a website that wants to have discussions if you will trash someone or try to check up on people becasue they might have a different insight. I was not saying if anything was right or wrong, just MY experience. I do completely believe him about last year. I am reserving my opinion on this until he at least makes a statement. I just wanted to say that I had a great experience at his workshops. I do not work for him nor am I a personal friend of his. I do not even have him on my facebook account as a friend because I do not know him like that. What is wrong with YOU for then checking up on me for sharing an opinion or is this just a lynch mob for anyone with a different opinion.

    • NB

      Laurie,
      The reason you were ‘checked up on’ is we have a large number of people that come here and pretend to be someone other than the thief. Go check out other posts.
      You’ll note, I am a mod. I did NOT list any of your personal information, nor will I as it’s not relevant.
      Yes, as mentioned, thank you for coming to the table and opening up the dialogue! It takes a lot to do that. It goes to your character.

      • Laurie

        Thank you for not releasing my information, I have a feeling I would be contacted personally.

        • NB

          Are you asking that one of us (Mods) contact you?

          • Laurie

            No, if my information was revealed on this site, I have a feeling people reading it would contact/call me and trash me for my opinion.

          • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

            Not the hard core group anyways … not unless we discovered copyright violations on your site.

    • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

      “if you will trash someone or try to check up on people because they might have a different insight.”

      I don’t think anyone really trashed you.

      People expressed opposing views and maybe they were a bit caustic in their comments … “BullShite” was a bit harsh but we take intellectual property theft seriously (it’s the whole reason for this site).

      Your comments basically came down to “It doesn’t matter he’s a thief, I learned loads from him” and that kind of rubs people on here the wrong way.

      ” and you assume I am a fake?”

      As far as assuming you are a fake account … you wouldn’t BELIEVE how often that happens on here. A thief get’s exposed then starts posting comments as various “fictitious” supporters to try and downplay what they did. It happens ALL the time. 80% of the time when someone comes on here in defense of a outed thief, it;s a fake account created by the thief.

      “I was not saying if anything was right or wrong, just MY experience.”

      Actually, you did make a judgement … “I can honestly say that even if it was true I would not care”.

      So you’ve come out and said that intellectual property rights are not important.

      “… or is this just a lynch mob for anyone with a different opinion.”

      It’s not a question of opinion … it’s a question of the LAW. He violated a writers copyright as determined by american and international copyright law.

      “I am reserving my opinion on this until he at least makes a statement.”

      Re-read the info above these comments. He has …to Garry Fong and Stephen Rosenbaum.

      • Laurie

        I am fine if people disbute my opinion, I fully respect that and I did not mean to come off excusing anything. I got upset that it seemed people were checking out my IP address and my own sites. I only wanted to share my personal experience. How many people here actually talked to him directly about last year? I did, I asked questions, and then I asked a friend of a friend who worked there with no reason to lie to me about it and they verified it. .

        • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

          “How many people here actually talked to him directly about last year?”

          Gary Fong did … and again about this situation. Read above.

          —————————————————–
          Gary took the above information back to Doug and also chatted with SIR Marketing. Here is the email I have from both (with permission to publish). Tl;dr: Steve from SIR Marketing was hired by Doug to write his current bio which also appears on his Nikon Ambassador profile. He did not write, nor did Doug have permission to use, the bio that was in use until yesterday that plagiarized SIR’s own about page.

          “Hi everybody. I came to Doug Gordon’s defense after hearing so much about the circumstances behind what had happened with his stealing intellectual property. I spoke to him this morning, and in the same vein, he rigorously maintained that he didn’t do anything wrong. (He still does).
          I’ve known him professionally for years, and I know he is not an articulate writer, and that he has had people write his copy. I’d say 99% of the professional world does this. That’s not the issue. The issue is that in 7/13 he told me a very valid explanation of the awkward situation he was in, where the ‘intern’ lifted material from the internet, and that it was a very personal matter. I believed him, asked him if this was his word of honor, and he said it was. I also reiterated that if he lied to me, I’d find out about it, and I would not stick up for him any longer.

          This morning I posted again, after speaking with him, that he did not do it. I was bombarded with evidence from the internet archives that he in fact did steal again. That puts me in an awkward place, because I asked him repeatedly to be straight with me. He said he has never lied to me or stolen ever in his life. And I believed him.

          Today I made a few phone calls to check up on his representations. Most notably, I spoke to Stephen Rosenbaum from SIR Marketing. Stephen confirmed that Doug stole the content from SIR’s “about us” page, that he had no permission to do so, and that what Doug did was wrong. Stephen did write the bio for the Nikon website, but was not compensated for it, nor has Doug ever hired SIR as an agency. Stephen is very concerned about the negative fallout that SIR has received from this, and I concur that SIR has done nothing wrong.

          I can say this without fear of actionable libel or slander. Doug Gordon has repeatedly lied to me, and has stolen from others. I was sticking up for him because of the story he shared with me from the past, but I doubt that anything Doug says is true.

          You can share/post/ republish this as you wish. I am not going to get involved into contacting Nikon about this information, but the buying public should be aware of this as should Nikon. I am contacting Sal as I consider Sal a friend of mine, and Sal is a very, very dedicated professional concerned about the good of our industry.

          Lastly, here is the email I received from SIR and Stephen Rosenbaum and I have permission to publish it. I think it puts the nail on the coffin, so to speak.

          I am very angry and upset that I have been misled by Doug Gordon. This isn’t about mob mentality – it’s about what is good for our industry, what is good for the buying public, and what is right vs. wrong. Doug Gordon has pleaded for forgiveness, and gave his word that he didn’t do it in the past, and he wouldn’t do it again. He was caught, again, lying and stealing..
          —————————————————–

          You do know who Gary Fong is right?

          Or how about Stephen Rosenbaum, the actual writter who’s content was stolen?

        • Justin Case

          Again, Laurie, what you see as no big deal some of us disagree with… strongly.

          I am glad you are engaging in the discussion, but I think you fail to see the point we (or at least I) want to make: no matter what the excuse, this is bad behavior WHICH HAPPENED IN PUBLIC, on his own site(s).

          Many people are willing to give Mr. Gordon another chance (be it second, fifth or whatever). I just think people should be aware of his past.

        • Marc W.

          ” I only wanted to share my personal experience. How many people here actually talked to him directly about last year? I did, I asked questions, and then I asked a friend of a friend who worked there with no reason to lie to me about it and they verified it. .”

          I’m sure he’s a nice person and very knowledgeable… but what he did, for the 4th? 5th? time, was wrong. It’s like saying, “I met Bernie Madoff and asked him some questions and he answered them. I learned a lot from him. Why are you so hard on him?”

    • Marc W.

      “Officer, I know… I know… You pulled me over for not stopping at the stop sign before. I’ve learned my lesson, why are you giving me another ticket?”

  • Diana

    Ok, I get where all this is coming from. My question is…. Why won’t you guys just let this die??? Why not let someone learn from their mistakes and move on???
    I’m sure Doug has learn his lesson when it comes to this topic…. Why won’t you guys just let it die and let him be???
    I’ve had the pleasure to meet Doug this year at one of his workshops and even if this was true, it wouldnt change the fact that he IS and will continue to be a great photographer… No one will ever change that. I learned sooo much from him and he’s an awesome person inside and out ( he made a mistake) but yet again who doesn’t ??

    luckily for us… Our mistakes aren’t plastered all over media and brought up every month..
    Now, before you guys start taking my words out of context and start saying that I’m OK with what he did allegedly … No, it was not ok, but I think it’s time to move on and let him be instead of attacking his sites all the time with the same story.

    • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

      Why? Because it’s the FOURTH TIME HE’S DONE THIS!
      He’s been outed for using content he’s lifted from all over the web just last year!

      This site is also here to make sure that people don;t get suckered by these THIVES and SCAM ARTISTS.

      “Now, before you guys start taking my words out of context and start saying that I’m OK with what he did allegedly … No, it was not ok,”

      Actually, that’s EXACTLY what you said.

      “and even if this was true, it wouldn’t change the fact that he IS and will continue to be a great photographer”

      ” but I think it’s time to move on and let him be instead of attacking his sites all the time with the same story”

      It’s not the same story, that’s the whole point. He was caught a year ago and he was caught again recently WITH DIFFERENT STOLEN CONTENT.

    • Helena

      My understanding of the situation is this is the 4th time he’s been caught stealing from others. I’m sure if he’d changed his ways and kept clean last summer that would have been it. However, he didn’t.

      It is not acceptable, and that’s why this page is here. Why should this guy get a second, third, fourth and now fifth chance to not steal work from others?

    • V323

      What’s the acceptable time frame you feel to “let it die’? 1 day? 5 days? 5 years? He just did this….for the fourth time no less, and you’re whining about “can’t they just learn from their mistakes & move on?” Some might, but DG has shown HE DOESN’T.
      So tell me, oh high & mighty Laurie, what’s the acceptable time from that those in the photography community are allowed to be upset, disappointed, disgusted?

    • Justin Case

      Diana, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. You like the guy, enjoy his workshops, etc. Again, my intention is not to try to take any of that away from you.

      However, Doug Gordon, the brand, has proved himself to be deceitful, multiple times. There are those of us who feel someone in a position to represent the industry we belong to should hold himself to a higher standard.

    • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

      You want to know why this will NEVER NEVER die?…because he keeps lying about it.
      If DG had been honest and stop blaming the “DAM INTERN” this thing would have died long time ago and no one would care.

      I dont give two rocks how good he is at teaching others. The point is he keeps lying and he keeps getting caught. I wonder does he have kids? What kind of role model is that?

    • KimJ

      How would you feel if somebody stole your hard work? WOuld you just want it kept quiet and let it die? This guy makes money off something he stole. He lied about it, lied some more and now has been caught again. It isn’t a small mistake , this is big. It is theft. Theft of words is the same as theft of pictures which is the same as theft of items.

    • Photo Stealers

      He obviously has not learned if it’s a behavior he keeps repeating. This is a new offense, not an old one.

    • doncalifornia

      Let it die? We won’t let it die because he KEEPS DOING IT. Over and over for 2 years now.

    • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

      Oh you drank the koolaid too. Man it must be a strong sugary formula.
      I will say it again this will never die because he keeps doing it. He lied in the face of some of photography biggest names that he called friends and they dropped him. Yet blind fools like you follow him like he is a photography messiah.
      Have fun with that.

  • Diana

    And to save you some time… No I’m not a close friend of his nor am I being paid to state my POSITIVE comment… I’m just a person who loves his work and a person who met him in person..

    • Melinda Potter

      I know you are not a friend or business associate of his, because then most likely you would be able to see and read what has transpired more clearly.
      Example: (refresh and see attachment)
      Here’s what one business associate and friend who wanted to offer Doug Gordon “a second chance” had to say about the latest unethical behavior that has been discovered. This person was straight up lied to by Doug when he asked about the new developments. He, like you wanted to give Doug the benefit of the doubt and talked to him directly, only to be lied to. Just like above in the blog post with Gary Fong. You say you are waiting for a statement from Doug himself… Don’t hold your breath. It’s not going to happen. Just denial and deflected blame.

      • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

        I missed this … Sal explained his position and closed the door :)

        • Lindsay11

          It’s basically hidden in the huge thread on Lynn’s page.

    • Photo Stealers

      I’ve met him in person as well, doesn’t mean he still can’t screw up.

  • Diana

    I will hold my comment on that until someone from Doug’s side or Doug himself releases a statement….

    - High and Mighty Diana

    • Helena

      I imagine you will be waiting a long time.

    • V323

      So, again, what’s our allowable time frame to be disgusted with DG’s actions?

      • Justin Case

        I guess a guy with a website and a facebook account must need time to find someone to write up his excuse for him.

    • Justin Case

      I don’t think anyone would accuse you of being high and mighty, but perhaps a bit on the gullible side. Believe what you like, but to me Mr. Godon’s silence speaks volumes.

      • Marc W.
        • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

          HAHAHAHAH!

        • Amber Kost

          HA! Totally didn’t see that coming

        • Just a Girl

          HAHAHA! And there went the coffee I was drinking!

          • Marc W.

            I’m not responsible for any keyboards or monitors that need replacing.

    • Melinda Potter

      Gary Fong and Sal Cincotta were on his side, and defending him just as you are now. They both spoke to Doug directly and to the infringed upon party. Read above blog post to find Gary’s response, and read my comment bellow to see an attachment of Sal Cincotta’s response.

      • Laurie

        That is why some of us are holding judgment till we hear from him. They had a chance to hear from him we did not.

        • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

          There is not one thing DG can say …well accept to come forward and speak the truth. We all know he will lie. He cant help it since in his eyes those who drink the DG floored koolaid will always believe what ever comes out his mouth, no matter how much shit is stuffed in it.

        • Justin Case

          Seriously? So your logic is no one is guilty until you personally get the message? That logic seems a bit weak. If that were possible, every criminal would go free simply by refusing to answer the allegations.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          I’m sorry but you’re not THAT important to get a personal call do from Doug!
          Keep dreaming!

          Did you get a call from OJ? How about Scooter Libby or Chris Christy?

    • Just a Girl

      What does his conversation with Gary Fong represent to you? Meaningless chit chat?

  • Justin Case

    To those of you who are here to defend Doug Gordon, welcome. Since no one directly from his organization is willing to engage… or seemingly even admit that there is an issue to respond to, I have a question for you:

    What would be an acceptable excuse for doing something you promised friends and colleagues you would never do again? In what scenario would this be a little thing for someone who is supposed to be a representative of an entire industry?

    And last, what was his explanation for the last time he was caught? And why was that acceptable? (No points for ‘it’s no big deal,’ as to some of us it obviously is).

    • V323

      Hmmm.

      • Laurie

        No crickets, some of us just don’t live on this website and had to do stuff. I will respond soon.

        • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

          How can you respond ??? Wait dont tell me its was another “intern” that did it and went back and changed it on June/22 only to still do it wrong..

          • Laurie

            I have no idea to be honest, I am waiting to at least hear from Doug’s side.

          • BullShite

            Where is the ambiguity?? Seriously!

            There is someone with a CLEAR DOCUMENTED HISTORY of theft, over and over, on one “side”, and on the other side…… a guy who’s got nothing but excuses, lies, and NO EVIDENCE that all five times he’s STOLEN that it was anyone but himself…. over, and over.

            I would not want you on a jury!
            How you can NOT see what is right in front of your face is beyond me. How can you NOT look at this evidence and see what this guy is?

            He’s not being randomly targeted. He’s not a “good guy” who “messed up” ONE TIME.

            He’s a THIEF. Period.

          • Photo Stealers

            His “side” has already been posted – he claimed it was something leftover from last year that he overlooked when cleaning up the website. That is proven to be unfounded because I had a screen capture of the same page from last year and he had a different bio that was stolen up.

          • Laurie

            Where is it, I am trying to find it?

          • Lindsay11

            Oh, I understand. You haven’t read anything on this page, that’s why you still have faith in Doug. I get it!

          • peaceetc

            Scroll up, Laurie. This page is dedicated to displaying those facts, as is his first entry, found here: http://stopstealingphotos.com/doug-gordon/

          • Lindsay11

            You’d think people would read the facts and what Doug is even accused of and what he’s claimed before they jump in to defend them. Makes one look… well…

          • Laurie

            I did read EVERYTHING on this page when I responded to
            “His “side” has already been posted – he claimed it was something leftover from last year that he overlooked when cleaning up the website. That is proven to be unfounded because I had a screen capture of the same page from last year and he had a different bio that was stolen up.”
            I thought Doug made an offical statement that I did not see. That is what I am waiting for.

          • Lindsay11

            I see. Laurie, I think you are going to be waiting quite a long time :( He has been doing this for years and I don’t recall EVER seeing an official statement from him. What do you think he could say to make this better? Honest question. What exactly are you waiting for?

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Once again, YOU are not that special to get a personal call from Doug. It isn’t going to happen.

          • Photo Stealers

            Gary is an industry leader and was friends with Doug so I am pretty sure that’s as close to the horse’s mouth as you are going to get for now.

          • peaceetc

            Don’t forget what Sal Cincotta wrote about it, too. If Sal and Gary can’t get him to say something publicly, then I don’t think it’s going to happen.

            Even if it did, what are the odds he will be telling the truth? He’s been proven to be a liar time and again. What exactly are you waiting on? Honestly, I don’t get it.

            https://www.facebook.com/MWACattack/posts/547520392019839

          • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

            What is your fascination that you MUST hear something official from DG anyway … its not going to happen and if it does it will have your brand of koolaid on the side to keep you in line.

          • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

            You’ll be waitting a long while then because he looks to be using the ostridge defence.

            Out your head into the sand and hope it goes away.

          • Marc W.

            But that stolen bio that he said was “still up there” from the last time he stole… but there are screen shots of his bio after the last time he was caught.

            https://www.facebook.com/MWACattack/posts/546884075416804?comment_id=547337708704774&offset=0&total_comments=252

            Kevin Newsome said:
            “So, he admits it was stolen (albeit by an employee), but that happened as part of the mass thievery committed by said employee long ago, and thus should fall under the umbrella of guilt he’s already paid the price for. Does that sum it up?

            … and the stolen content has been replaced by legit content, yet attributed to the person he stole the initial content from. How very odd.

            What in the living HELL are they drinking in Long Island?”

            and

            ” Gary, here is the Workshop Bio that existed when the plagiarism story broke last year. It was replaced with the one stolen from SIR AFTER the so-called “clean up.” ”

            Posted with this screenshot:

            https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203706716695807&set=p.10203706716695807&type=1

          • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

            “What in the living HELL are they drinking in Long Island?”
            Ice Tea.

          • Lindsay11

            I’m a nice person, here is what Gary Fong said.

            Gary Fong OK, I spoke to Doug. Here is what he says happened. The bio that you saw up to yesterday was stolen from SIR’s website, however it was part of the same content that created the explosion last July, and Doug had thought he had cleaned up the entire site, but he missed the bio. He feels truly sorry for that, but reiterates that this is not anything new that was stolen, it was part of the original material that was stolen by his employee. Doug insists that all material written after the July controversy are now all his.

            You can find it here https://www.facebook.com/MWACattack/posts/546884075416804?comment_id=547337708704774&offset=0&total_comments=252

          • peaceetc

            Gary Fong posted a nice summary of his interactions with Doug, too. That’s found here: https://www.facebook.com/salcincotta/posts/10152100490551470

          • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

            This is what he told Gary Fong who spoke to him via phone and he made it known that’s what he said.

            Just because you did not hear it from him or see it does not mean its not true. Now of course he can lie and say something else …so sorry to unsweetened the koolaid. I really dont think it will change how you think about him since the evidence that is plain as can be is not enough. I know I know Gary Fong lying is easier to Swallow .
            Said the 2 Dollar Hooker …NOT! (comic relief)

          • U Really That Dumb?
          • Photo Stealers

            Here’s where Gary posted about his convo with Doug. *refresh to see*

          • doncalifornia

            LOL his reputation

          • U Really That Dumb?

            I have to ask, do you even know who Gary is?
            How about Sal?
            SLR?
            All way bigger than Doug, and much more respected in the industry, even before Doug’s fall.

    • Laurie

      I do not think there is an acceptable excuse. It’s too simple there has to be more to the story and I would like to hear back from Doug before passing judgment.
      Last time it was an employee who was writing for him. He checked up on him for the first couple of months and then did not micro manage him. The guy completely screwed him over and copied and pasted content while billing Doug for writing them himself. The guy was let go after the incident, but Doug said it was his fault for not checking up on him more.

      • Justin Case

        Diana, again, thanks for helping me understand this. Just a couple of quick points:

        1. lots of people have asked him to respond to this issue. To date, the only two who have received answers have both now broken ties with him. That should be a big red flag right there. I have asked. We are not friends, so I wasn’t really expecting an answer.

        2. If this was the problem of an unsupervised employee, that says a lot about Doug Gordon’s operation. He takes responsibility? Where? Please show me the apology, or even the public acknowledgment.

        3. (And this is the kicker, for me) If Doug Gordon doesn’t write his own copy, then why pretend to tell PERSONAL details and witty asides AS IF HE WERE THE ONE WRITING IT??? Sorry, but in my book, if you are PRETENDING to be writing and it turns out you’ve been using a ghost-writer, I don’t give a shit what you call it, in my book that is fraud.

        Again, Doug Gordon makes his living on his brand’s reputation. His reputation is in tatters. That seems relevant to me.

        • Justin Case

          ETA: Again, this is not to take away from your personal relationship with Mr Gordon. He sounds like a great guy to hang out with. I’m sure I would enjoy a beer with the guy. But that doesn’t mean I think he should be representing the photo industry and certainly not making money off other people’s work.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Actually, last time it was his sister in law.

        • Gary Fong

          I heard a different story – directly from Doug. Wasn’t his sister in law

          • NB

            The problem is he keeps telling different people different people. I know two other well known photographers who heard directly from him that it was his sister-in-law that did it.
            We know he lied this time. What says he didn’t lie to you then? Either way, someone was lied to then.

      • peaceetc

        Laurie, Doug knew about the plagiarism long before he was outed by Photo Stealers. People had contacted him time and again to get their stolen content removed, and each time he removed only that much, and left everything else up. It all happened over the course of two years. HE KNEW. There’s no way he could not have known. Even if it wasn’t him doing it, he was still responsible.

        And this latest incident is not left over from the old stuff. It’s new. Doug also lied about that, to people who called him a friend — Gary Fong, for example. He straight up lied to him.

        So I don’t know what else you could want to know. Doug lies, and can’t be trusted. He may seem like a nice person and you may like his work, but that doesn’t change the facts.

      • Lindsay11

        I don’t even understand you. I think it’s nice you want to give people chances, good for you! But there is a huge amount of proof here. There is so much he has an unprecedented two posts (at least, I think it’s unprecedented, if I’m wrong someone can tell me). Why can’t it be that simple that he’s a liar and thief? There’s proof RIGHT. HERE. It’s happened for YEARS. Time to give up and face the facts.

      • doncalifornia

        Laurie this excuse turned out to be BS. Wanna know how I know? There was one post where he recounted his surprise party for his anniversary (or wife’s birthday?). He was very detailed. It was clearly written by him as it was all about how he wanted to make this a big deal for the wife because he loved her and he worked closely with his staff who were all in on it, etc. He wrote it. The second half of the post was a poem about how much he loved his wife. Totally cut and paste, stolen from someone who had written it years before. There is no way he wrote half of a very long post all by himself, and then handed it to an intern to finish. That is total nonsense. In other words, he cut and pasted the poem, to finish off the big long post about how devoted he is to his beloved. The excuse that you hired someone to do all your writing, and that someone stole everything and you didn’t notice, is bull.

        • Justin Case

          I’ve been waiting for someone else to point that out. One of the most vulgar, dishonest, insulting things about this entire ugly episode.

          “How do I love my wife? In so many ways…

          I love how I never want to write about my love for her because I know that I can never say it just the way I want to. And how I know that I still wouldn’t be able to say or write it the right way even if I was more gifted than Shakespeare. How words can never tell the story of my love for her. Because words have boundaries.”

          Now imagine you were the REAL author Henk Campher – or his wife – and you saw this posted on Doug ‘I didn’t do it’ Gordon’s website. Pathetic.

      • Gary Fong

        Laurie, if you believe that story above, it’s a lie.

  • joebuissink

    CRAP!!! ALL of this is totally depressing…. what the hell has this industry come to? What happened to camaraderie? Friendship? Fellowship? HONESTY???

    • Collette Mruk

      Doug Gordon probably stole that too.

      It’s depressing.

    • Photo Stealers

      I’m trying to bring honesty back…. trying!

      • joebuissink

        Thanks for that!! Keep it up :)

  • Melinda Potter

    OK I watched as this all played out. I just sat and watched like a good lurker should. I realize that what I’m about to say comes off as hearsay to all the people who find Doug to be honest, ethical, and “just screwed over by an intern”, but keep in mind that I WAS a person most entertained by all the people who were overreacting to a bunch of unimportant blog posts, not image theft. Yes, still pisses me off when creatives steal from other creatives, but I thought this will easily be taken care of, and the content removed. “People are making mountains outta mole hills here”. I was wrong. My mind changed rather quickly when Doug reacted and behaved very badly to the situation. That, and reading the plagiarized blog post that was shared by Photostealers that he supposedly wrote for his wife, really creeped me out and left me feeling more than a little disgruntled. (See first blog post about Gordon)

    So Doug Gordon isn’t a writer (although he has recently been added as a contributor to an online photography publication. Huh????) He’s a photographer/businessman. (IF you believe what Gordon has said in his defense) He hires his blog writing and social media to be written for him. Big whipty freakin DO! Unbeknownst to him, for years his hired writer was plagiarizing. Yeah, umm THIS kind of a bigger deal. It was discovered, and privately brought to his attention. The plagiarized material that was discussed privately was removed, and the other plagiarized copy was left up. I don’t know how many times this happened, because it was handled privately, but very very slowly more and more blog posts disappeared. Then in June photographers started talking out loud (I was listening) they contacted him not only privately about the plagiarized material, but also on his Facebook wall. Some posts asked him to explain, some just asked for all the plagiarized copy be taken down. The posts on his wall were never addressed and promptly removed, and plagiarized copy remained. About a month later photostealers got involved most likely because by this time a whole lot of photographers/writers were pissed that Doug was refusing to address it and remove all the stolen content on his site. The photostealers post MADE him address it. I imagine until that point Doug just thought he was dealing with just a handful of helpless pathetic people. He didn’t say anything during all of this that I’m aware of, but I could feel each and every eye roll I imagined him giving.
    Not exactly how I would expect someone who hired a cheat, and just majorly got screwed over to react. It’s more reminiscent of all the stealers featured on this blog.
    He tells everyone that it will never happen again yadda yadda yadda “I’m the victim!” and that the “intern” will be fired.
    A year later a plagiarized about bio is discovered. A bio that was put in place to replace the old stolen bio. It’s brought to his attention, it stays. Doug does nothing. It’s brought to his attention more publicly, it’s promptly removed and replaced with a bio that was paid for (keep in mind that the stolen bio came from the company the hired writer/friend works for. Kinda shitty don’t you think?)
    When asked, Doug explains that it was just leftover stolen content from last July. It’s proven not to be. He wasn’t just flippant about this, or lazy, he LIED in an attempt to cover up lies. He looked his business associates and friends in the eye and lied to them, and then tried to cover up that he lied with another lie.
    Does this make him an evil man that should be shunned, put out of business and all his photography equipment destroyed? No, but he shouldn’t be given any sort of speaking or teaching platform, or a flippin’ writing position for a photography magazine. AND he shouldn’t be allowed to continue taking other people’s intellectual property while everyone shhhhhhhhhs and shoves it under the carpet just because he’s an affective performer that brings in money. Certainly not, when this world is filled with more suitable teachers that would never behave in this way and who completely respect everyone’s intellectual property and not just their own.
    What part of this is difficult to understand?!

    • U Really That Dumb?

      It’s also very interesting that some of the one star reviews are getting flagged and removed, yet no response from Doug.
      The comments in the other reviews can’t get removed as easily, and while a number are direct replies to DG Workshops, and they HAVE seen them, NO response.
      He again is hoping this is all lowlifes that will go away. What he’s failed to take into account is his sponsors. THEY are watching. The more pressure put on them, the likelier the change Doug wakes up and either publicly apologizes to the world OR go down in flames and is never heard of again.

      • C Sab

        I’m hoping for the latter. The industry needs these people to fall into obscurity and let the people with actual skill come up,

    • peaceetc

      Melinda, I was going to post a recap for those late to the party, but I think you nailed it. I hope his supporters read it to understand why we continue to be upset over Doug Gordon’s actions. Because, as you said, what part of this is difficult to understand?

  • http://www.ronmckinneyphotography.com Ron McKinney

    There could be a legal reason that Doug Gordon hasn’t spoken publicly about this yet. I’m confident that when he can, he will talk about this. It may be that it’s not as cut and dry as it appears to be to us. I’m not defending Doug or associated other than having bought some of his products a couple years ago. But things are sometimes more complicated than they appear.

    • Melinda Potter

      And sometimes it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, but some still see a swan, and that’s ok I guess.

      You’re right though. It most likely IS much more complicated. A lot of people who have been featured here have very complicated stories and scenarios to share with everyone.
      I think I may just be simple minded or something because the stories never make any sense to me.

      • Justin Case

        quack, fucking quack.

        (sorry, but these apologists who ‘aren’t defending him’ while they defend him have started to get on my nerves).

    • U Really That Dumb?

      I’m 100% certain his lawyers told him to shut up! OK, 99.99999999%
      Follow the money and you’ll know why.

    • C Sab

      Nah he’s probably not talking cause he knows he can’t lie his way out of it and so he’s crawled into his hole until people forget.

    • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

      Trust we can understand that because as a lawyer I would tell him to shut his mouth … but no one should delude themselves to think that he is innocent. Proof is plain as pudding so is his lying. Even if I was a fan the amount of crap would give me pause.

    • peaceetc

      He messed with a company with the means to sue him, so I bet that shut him up pretty quickly. That same company had already done him a favor by writing an actual bio for him for free, so I bet it’s especially galling to them that he took their content without permission.

  • V323

    For those defending DG, or waiting for his “official” response to decide where you land on this…ask yourself these things.
    How is it that he keeps allowing for ‘interns’ to plagiarize for him? He has a brand, he has staff of all kinds, what does it say about a responsible business owner that he cannot effectively control what his brand is putting out in the world?
    Look at the resources available to him, levels that most of us will rarely have access to. He still cannot, after getting caught the first time, take the time & energy to properly, diligently, tediously monitor what is done in his name?
    Yes, to his defenders a little bit of content stealing isn’t that big a deal, it’s not like he stole images…but at his level, with major brand endorsement, income, staff, etc, how is it he cannot elevate his integrity and through an easy set of checks & balances, ensure another stolen word never occurs again?
    As a business owner (of which I have 20+ years) the proverbial ‘bucks stops with you.’ It doesn’t matter who did or didn’t do this in Doug’s team, it’s far more disconcerting that he continually allows it to happen, and seems to have no measurable accountability for his brand, and what others do in his name.
    Your name is all you have…and he appears to think his name is enough to overshadow horrible business practices.

    If he is OK with this, what other questionable business practices is he ok with?

    • C Sab

      I bet these “people” defending him are friends or family of his. Wouldn’t be the first time. That means they won’t listen to all the proof in the world and we should just ignore them until they can actual post something to prove he’s innocent.

      • http://www.ronmckinneyphotography.com Ron McKinney

        Who’s defending him?

        Honestly, he has a legion of workshop students who appreciate what he has done for them. I don’t think that will change, and I don’t know how much his workshop business has dropped off this past year, but I think it will continue. A lot of his students probably aren’t even aware of this, and when they find out it has only to do with a misunderstanding around a three-paragraph bio, they may not care.

        • C Sab

          Read through and you’ll see the answer to your question. Also the appreciation should go to the people who actually made the content that Doug stole to teach those people and further his career.

          • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

            That is the other thing … he may have plagiarized most if not all of his teaching material … we may never know without a video of him in action.

        • peaceetc

          It’s much bigger than a few paragraphs in a bio. It is years of deceptive behavior, lying, and a lot of stolen content. I strongly suggest you read through both of his Photo Stealers listings.

        • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

          “A lot of his students probably aren’t even aware of this”
          They will if this post and the previous one on Doug makes it’s way to the top of the Google Search Rankings.

          “and when they find out it has only to do with a misunderstanding around a three-paragraph bio, they may not care.”

          It’s not a misunderstanding. That statement right there minimizes the actual gravity of the situation. He took content that wasn’t his to take and used it. That’s copyright violation.

          For someone who’ bread and butter is the creation of intellectual property, that is unforgivable. And it’s not just a misunderstanding … this is like the 5th time he’s been called out on this issue for various content.

    • peaceetc

      Well said. Doug Gordon is ultimately responsible for what happens in his name, even if it wasn’t him who did it (but I do believe he knew it was happening, and didn’t act to stop it). This new instance of the stolen bio text just shows he still doesn’t have control over his business, and he even went so far as to lie about it to respected people in the industry.

      And stealing someone else’s writing is just as bad as stealing someone else’s photo. I don’t get why people dismiss it so easily. I wrote for both a web site and a newspaper for years, and I would have been pissed if someone had stolen my columns and claimed them as his own. Stealing is stealing, regardless of what is being stolen.

    • http://www.alborrelli.com/ Al Borrelli

      My job is investigating and prosecuting violations of humanitarian laws and war crimes. Never has “my subordinate did it and I didn’t know” been a valid excuse.
      Neither is it here.
      Simple Doug, you are responsible for your people as well as your organisation. Deal with it. Saying “I never stole anything” isn’t the same as “I never cared whether or not things posted/done on my behalf were moral/illegal”
      Douche

      • U Really That Dumb?

        But I’m famous and my fans don’t care so f-off!
        What I hear Doug saying over and over to not only us but the rest of the industry.

  • U Really That Dumb?
    • C Sab

      Commented.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        I wonder what the other “Ambassadors” have to say. They are tagged in the post.
        Also, Doug responded, so he WILL see this.

        • C Sab

          We’ll have to wait and see. He’ll probably just ignore it or pretend like he’s being harassed or something for sympathy.

    • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

      I really do not think that Nikon will do anything..

      • C Sab

        They will when people see that Nikon apparently endorses stealing. Their PR is already bad enough as it is.

        • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

          They knew last year…well I assume they did.

          • C Sab

            It’ll get worse over time.

  • http://www.alborrelli.com/ Al Borrelli

    It’s interesting to see now when you simply type in doug gordon on Google what pops up.
    This is a step in the right direction.
    Advertisers should be aware of this and react accordingly.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      I think the only way to get then to notice is continued social media pressure and the power of the $$$.
      Nikon
      Bay Photo
      Adorama (force them to pull all of his podcasts)
      Etc.

    • Justin Case

      It’s just not high enough yet. I would hope that his sponsors see how negatively this reflects on them.
      Nikon ambassador Doug Gordon should do the right thing and resign his post. Otherwise, I think the pressure will continue.

      • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

        Doug had a big presence online so it’s a bit harder for PS to climb up the Google Search Rankings.

        • Justin Case

          Agreed. But it’s WHERE the information is getting posted as well. Here, Petapixel, and hopefully others where his sponsors pay attention should also pick up on this story.

          Every day that Doug Gordon Worshops the brand doesn’t address this issue makes the stain on their reputation grow. And it’s tainting the colors of his sponsors now as well.

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  • Justin Case
    • Just a Girl

      Ya hear the crickets chirping from the “I’ll wait for more information” corner? Kind of embarrassing for them!

  • Justin Case

    According to f-stoppers, Doug Gordon is no longer a Nikon Ambassador:

    “Nikon stated the following with regards to the Nikon Ambassadors Program:

    ‘We can confirm that Doug Gordon is no longer a part of the program.
    Our program focus continues to be inspiring and educating photographers
    of all levels.’ ”
    (from link posted below)

    • captain-confuzzled

      yay Nikon! Very impressive doing the right thing! And big WTG PS!!

    • NB

      Yeah!
      Now Adorama and the rest of the sponsors need to drop him!

    • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

      And so it begins….

    • BullShite

      Hell yeah!!!

    • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

      He is no longer on the Nikon USA embassadors page.

      http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And-Explore/Nikon-Ambassadors/index.page

    • Lindsay11

      Wow that is amazing! I never thought that would happen to be honest. Am I the only one that cynical? I kinda hope I am the only one that cynical.

      • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

        Nope. After Nikon took him on as an ambassador RIGHT AFTER BEING OUTED THE LAST TIME. I really didn’t think they cared.

    • peaceetc

      Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

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  • Wil

    @photostealers:disqus
    I’m not at all a regular commentor on any forum and today is the first I’m catching wind of this Doug Gordon debacle. I only want to say that everything in this post and the comments/rationals for DG’s wrong doings seem to indicate a literacy problem that perhaps no one has noticed. That is not to say that DG should be given a pass for whats been done in the name of his business but it should be considered that if DG has lied repeatedly it is possibly to cover up a deeper issue (literacy).

    Perhaps, with the power you apparently hold within the community you can investigate this. I am very curious to know whether this is all truly due to a deeper issue.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      That might explain why daddy gave him everything rather than him earning it on his own.

    • peaceetc

      He was hired some months ago (and recently fired) by Sal Cincotta as a writer for his online magazine. If someone has a literacy problem, what’s he doing getting a job as a writer? If he has literacy issues — legitimate ones, not simple spelling errors, etc. — then there is help available. But as you said, it shouldn’t give him a pass for his awful, fraudulent behavior.

      If he has deeper issues, he’s been given plenty of opportunities to fix them. He has the financial means and he’s had people give him multiple chances. If he chooses not to fix them (provided they exist), then that’s on him. Nobody else can do it for him.

    • captain-confuzzled

      interesting point, but in the end I don’t think it really matters. Many people struggle with literacy issues. It is still their responsibility to behave ethically. Stealing is never okay. If someone has problems with literacy, there are many remedies available to them without resorting to taking the work of someone else.

    • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

      hmmmmm interesting but I dont think its the place of PS the investigate anyones literacy issues.

    • http://www.evildaystar.ca Eric Lefebvre

      He was hired as a writer for a magazine recently (and then let go when this was discovered). At this point, even if he did have a literacy problem (which I seriously doubt) he gets no pity from me.

      That would be like saying “I know, I’m blind so I’ll get a job as a film critic or cinematographer.”

      While an interesting point, it doesn;t really change anything.

    • Photo Stealers

      If he truly does have a illiteracy problem then that’s a very real problem no one should be ashamed of. However as he’s blamed the first occurrence on an intern he hired for the job I am not sure how illiteracy would really come into play here.

  • tricia

    I am very new at the computer side of photography, and in photography itself 2008, but I would never steal or plagiarizer someone, I do this because I love it.

    Tricia

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      • http://philbertphotography.com Joseph Philbert

        Why Why Why poke the beehive…???