• Celine (peaceetc)

    This one seems to have an actual storefront, with the images printed and on display. Why would they do that?

    • Me, Myself and I

      Celine … you seriously have to ask? How long have you been on this site?

      • Celine (peaceetc)

        A million years. What’s your point? 😉 As long as I’ve been around here, I still can’t wrap my brain around it. I want to believe people are smarter than that, despite the multitude of evidence to the contrary. I like banging my head against that wall, apparently.

  • Justin Case

    Before anyone chimes in with ‘maybe they paid for the sock images’ or ‘maybe they are royalty-free images’ I think we should be clear:
    IF YOU ARE A REAL PHOTOGRAPHER, YOU SHOULD NEVER USE ANYONE ELSE’S IMAGES TO SELL YOUR WORK.
    If you do, it’s lying. If you can’t create the images yourself, how can you advertise with them? And if you CAN create them yourself, then you’re either lazy or a charlatan.

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      You wrote “sock images” and that made me laugh. It’s more right than wrong, really.

    • BigAl

      Although I do some paid product photography work for a few select people, I do not tout for business as a professional photographer. I have recently been asked to help set up a photography group for armed forces veterans in my local area (Being a veteran myself). In setting up an FB group for them I needed to use some stock images (Getty embed, which I like as it makes it clear they are stock, not mine), since I don’t and can’t shoot everything, and a lot of what I do do is fairly specialised. Even so I feel quite guilty about it. At least I get to say to them posting images you found on the web is not the thing to do. If I get just that one thing across to people I will feel like I did OK. Many people that I know think that since the computer allows you to right click/save from the internet, then it must be OK to do so, since that functionality wouldn’t exist otherwise would it? And since you can do the save, that you can then use the saved image file however you want. These are pretty much all people who left school “before the internet”, or at least the www. bit, and widespread access to it. So they have no education about it. These are people who would never normally steal, or commit any other crime. Educating them seems hard at times too.

      As for the stealers we see here, I just don’t understand how they think they can get away with this stuff, and the ones that post the messages about “please respect my copyright, and don’t steal my images, aimed at their “clients”, well that just beggars belief.

      • Justin Case

        I spent a decade teaching photography. Did I use only my own images to illustrate all my lessons? Of course not.
        Totally different issue from selling a service or work.

        I have my own issues with Getty giving away images, but like you say, at least they make it clear where they come from. At the very least, images should always be credited.

    • Me, Myself and I

      Also …

      2009 Nebraska Code
      Chapter 87 TRADE PRACTICES
      87-302 Deceptive trade practices; enumerated.

      (a) A person engages in a deceptive trade practice when, in the course of his or her business, vocation, or occupation, he or she:

      (1) Passes off goods or services as those of another;

  • John Silvagni

    So I’m not going to hide my name, nor am I going to make excuses. I did screw up using what I thought was stock photos to fill some space and show different print types. The work that is of my own is displayed elsewhere and made the assumption that displaying the same stuff too often would look bad. I worked for a nationwide photography studio and did not have the knowledge or know how to fill space on my own and made an attempt with out reaching out to someone established for assistance. I should have done that and am sorry I did not. I must admit that my only encounter with another photographer with in the same region soured me as I was basically spit on but know better than to judge anyone based on the actions of another. I took things down as soon as I realized but with family issues did not get a chance to get on here to apologize to anyone that may have been wronged, violated or insulted. I admit that regardless of stock or not I see that it is wrong to use and after much thought realize that with out giving full credit to who took the photo regardless of free rights to use or not is wrong and insulting to the person who worked hard to make such an image. Although I do not expect nor want sympathy I do hope that it can be found to forgive me for my mistakes as forgiveness is my only way to recover and move on as I can not change what has been done. I invite you to check in on me to see that I have made an error. Even the studio I worked for technically owns the rights to my past photos therefore will be copyrite to someone other than myself.

    • Photo Stealers

      This may be one of the most honest and real apologies I’ve ever read here. Thank you. I hope that you go on to do better and wish you much luck.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      That is great. I wish you all the best.

    • Me, Myself and I

      It is nice to get a REAL apology. we get so many excuses here this is refreshing.

      I must admit that my only encounter with another photographer with in the same region soured me as I was basically spit on but know better than to judge anyone based on the actions of another.

      That sucks … in my market we have a huge loose alliance of photographers that share: studio rental spaces, client referrals, location tips, client / model / assistant references …

      I admit that regardless of stock or not I see that it is wrong to use and after much thought realize that with out giving full credit to who took the photo regardless of free rights to use or not is wrong and insulting to the person who worked hard to make such an image.

      It;s not just a question of respect for other photographers but you are actually running a foul of your states False Advertising Laws.

      http://law.justia.com/codes/nebraska/2009/Chapter87/87-302.html

      2009 Nebraska Code
      Chapter 87 TRADE PRACTICES
      87-302 Deceptive trade practices; enumerated.

      (a) A person engages in a deceptive trade practice when, in the course of his or her business, vocation, or occupation, he or she:

      (1) Passes off goods or services as those of another;

      By having others work in your portfolio (even if it is legally purchased stock) you are advertising their work as your own …

      Although I do not expect nor want sympathy I do hope that it can be found to forgive me for my mistakes as forgiveness is my only way to recover and move on as I can not change what has been done.

      We ARE sympathetic … at least your apology makes us feel far more sympathetic. We don’t do this because we revel in the mayhem it causes … we all just got tired of having our work stolen, clients tricked by scammers … the downward spiraling value of photography caused by the damage these people do to the industry.

      Even the studio I worked for technically owns the rights to my past photos therefore will be copyrite to someone other than myself.

      And they could have and still technically could, sue you for copyright violation unless you had a clause in your contract allowing for use of the images in your own portfolio (all photographers should ask for that clause).

      As a side note, removing the photos now doesn’t change your liability if your former studio or any of the photographers who’s work you took decide to sue you so you may want to keep that in mind.

      Best of luck going forward.

      • John Silvagni

        I appreciate your response and all you have to say. I do not see anyone enjoying any chaos or issues stemming from this site. Anyone who blames the site needs to realise that we make our own choices. I have already suffered a huge loss and loss of respect due to my actions and that is my responsibility and consequences for making my choices. I am not going to make excuses as I am not going to pass blame off on anyone but who is responsible and ultimately it’s mine. As far as photographers getting along in your area I would love that. Today different photographers have already plastered our area with this page and have been spreading other things claiming we don’t even own a camera. I don’t get the competition creating hate. After reading other things on this site is see artists willing to help, educate and grow something that would otherwise die. I am embarrassed beyond belief that I made choices with out thinking and have no idea how to recover but it’s ultimately my fault as well. Thank you again for being so kind with your response as you could have been much more harsh.

        • Me, Myself and I

          Today different photographers have already plastered our area with this page and have been spreading other things claiming we don’t even own a camera.

          If you see anything in writing that is false (like not even owning a camera) you have grounds for Libel / Defamation and Torturous interference with business … I’m not a lawyer BTW, just did my due diligence when I started my business by researching the basics laws that affect my business.

          I don’t get the competition creating hate.

          Some of it is due to the economic realities of our industry, times are hard for photographers and videographers on top of that you put yourself in a very hated position by using images not your own. Some of these businesses worked hard to build their business and they see people “like you” just cheating their way in by conning potential clients with stolen portfolios … and it just triggers them.

          Some of them end up doing the wrong thing, trying to make two wrong into a right.

          Others like most people here try to go at it a bit more fairly with investigative journalism style reporting and exposure.

          I am embarrassed beyond belief that I made choices with out thinking and have no idea how to recover but it’s ultimately my fault as well.

          It’s not impossible to recover from this. One of the things you have to do is control the message. If you don’t address the issue others will control the narrative … If all your potential clients see are messages from your competition saying you are a scammer then that’s what they will believe so try and control the message, fess up to making a very bad decision and explain how you have rectified it.

          “While I have a solid photography foundation, I apparently still have a lot to learn about the intricacies of operating a business …” or something along those lines. play up your strengths but don’t try and whitewash your mistake.

          That’s what i would recommend.

          I don;t think this will be as devastating to you as it seems right now.

          Again, good luck.

          • John Silvagni

            Thank you again and thank you for once again I must find a way to put into words my thoughts, I am not good at it but I will try. I am starting to see this as parental guidence. Someone screws up you call them out, although called out you don’t condemn to hell but you condemn the actions. I do have a lot to learn, my intent was to offer an affordable way in a low income area for people to afford photos who normally could not. I often recommend other photographers for higher end events and clients who can afforder such a level of work. I never thought of myself as competition to those photographers since I work with developers that keep my cost lower and work with minimal equipment and overhead in order to keep costs down as well. I only have the brick and mortar to be covered by our localities business license regulations and liability insurances. I love photography and love doing it, I regularly lose money but to me it’s worth it. I will stand tall knowing I am correcting what’s been done wrong but as with any blow to ego it stings for a bit. Any other advise or changes you’d recommend I am totally open to. I should have taken time to find a site like this to begin with. The knowledge here is beyond that which anyone could hope for.

    • Me, Myself and I

      On another note John, leaving your own business page a 5 star review is pretty weak.

      • Marc W.

        Hey, I posted a screen shot too. Where is it. 🙁

        • Me, Myself and I

          It’s there, I see it further down.

          • Marc W.

            Well, I’m an idiot. Thanks.

      • Marc W.

        Want to ad that, John, remove any family and friend’s reviews you’ve asked for and never actually photographed them as a business.

        • John Silvagni

          Thank you

    • Celine (peaceetc)

      John, I don’t know you or your story, but considering how many of those outed on here have reacted to be caught, your words are like a breath of fresh air. I’m glad you’ve chosen to make this a learning experience. Best of luck to you.

  • Me, Myself and I

    WE ARE ALWAYS WATCHING!!!

  • John Silvagni

    Thank you, thank you for a site that I may find the knowledge I need even if I hate to take a hit to my ego to learn. I have often heard that education through pain is often the best lesson of all. With that in mind I will never forget this lesson and intend to use the tools given to better myself, my art and the community.