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Ella Bella Photography aka Renee Bratton in Las Vegas, NV

Website: http://ellabellaphotos.blogspot.com/
Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/ellabellaphotographylasvegas
Google +: https://plus.google.com/101882758526453454625/posts
Yelp:  http://www.yelp.com/biz/ella-bella-photography-las-vegas-2
Photobucket:  http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/EllaBellaPhotos44/profile/

There was a lot more but she had started removing the stolen images and text by the time I was screen capping.

Update 09/01/2014 @ 1PM 

Added the Yelp link along with sources for the images “Aimee” uploaded to the Ella Bella profile.  Aimee B’s profile picture is the same that Renee’ uses on her personal Facebook page.

Update 09/04/2014 @ 12:00PM

Well, one of the regular commenters found more stolen images.  Shocker, I know.   I sourced a bunch of them until I got a headache and decided that I was done.  The link is above (photobucket).  Notice that the images are also for sale and are downloadable.  Lovely.

Update 09/11/2014

Renee has claimed she’s deleted all of the images that were not hers from her website and Photobucket account.  Unfortunately that is not the case.  I don’t understand why she hasn’t deleted the images like she SAID she was going to do but she made the albums private and kept the images up.  They are still able to be accessed via direct links and also by Google search.

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At this point I’ve been at this for over 4 hours.  I AM DONE.  I think my point is made?  Here’s the rest of the galleries I didn’t get to.

**NOTE** there are images in these albums which Renee did create or that of OF her along with the images that are not hers.  These are here to show the entire contents of the album, which include both stolen images and her original work.  I ran out of time and energy to keep going with individual sourcing.

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  • V323

    Erm. Well this happened.

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Let’s just nip this one in the bud, shall we? I know, it won’t work, but let’s pretend it will.

    To Ella Bella please do NOT do the following:

    1. Flag comments on this listing. We mods will just put them back, so don’t waste your time.

    2. Lie. We have heard every excuse in the book, and you will not come up with something we haven’t heard before. You are not a special snowflake. Nothing you can say will justify what you did, so don’t bother.

    3. Accuse us of slander (because nobody ever figures out it has to be verbal to be slander). We stick to the facts, and if something is publicly available, it’s fair game.

    Please DO the following:

    1. Remove any and all stolen images.

    2. Apologize DIRECTLY to those from whom you have stolen. You owe them that much.

    3. Hope they don’t sue you. Copyright infringement is illegal under the law, and you can be sued for thousands of dollars for EACH stolen image. Yes, seriously.

    4. DON’T STEAL. It’s not complicated — if you didn’t take a photo and don’t have permission to use it from the actual copyright holder, then don’t use it. It’s that simple. Yes, seriously. You claim to be a photographer, so why on earth would you want to use others’ images, anyway? How does that make sense?

    And remember:

    1. If you do it again, you will be caught. Don’t forget — Google knows. Any time someone searched for your business, this listing will come up.

    2. Think about the actual victims here (no, not you) — those whose images you stole. You screwed them over. And frankly, that’s a pretty damned crappy thing to do.

    • Doug

      well said…

  • U Really That Dumb?
  • Doug

    In her defense, she has to steal other photogs work because her own is out of focus, cockeyed, poorly composed and edited pretty poorly. Give her a break.

    • typeaimages

      Burn. ; )

  • Nathan

    Looks like at least one review calling her out and linking to this page has been deleted.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Screen cap?

      • Nathan

        I didn’t screencap it when the review was there, and now it’s gone Started with ‘Buyer beware’.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          Interesting since she can’t remove a review.

          • peaceetc

            You can report it for harassment, but I don’t think Facebook works that fast.

          • doncalifornia

            I think Nathan is saying he posted it all on here at PhotoStealers and can’t see it.

        • Doug

          looks like she’ll be playing “Whack a Mole” for a good while

      • Nathan

        A second one that is now missing.

      • Nathan

        That’s odd. I posted again with a screencap of a second review I found missing, but now my post with the picture is gone. And when I clicked on my name for Disqus, it showed a count of 4 comments, but only 3 are visible below it.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          Deleted by a moderator since they are the only ones that can do that.

          • Nathan

            Is there any reason it was deleted? Did I not post it correctly?

    • Amber Kost

      It says five reviews, but only four show up when you click on it, so one is definitely missing

      • U Really That Dumb?

        I still see 5

        • Amber Kost

          Hmm…weird

    • Photo Stealers

      She shut down the ability to post to her page.

  • BullShite

    Here I capped mine.

    • Nathan

      Looks like her whole page is down now.

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Facebook is gone

  • Photo Stealers

    In digging though her archives it appears that she started out as a Mommy Blogger then decided to be a photographer in July.

    • BullShite

      Maybe this is one for GOMI (Get Off My Internets) too! LOL!!

    • doncalifornia

      So she’s been a photographer for a month and the fake reviews she posted says she’s been hired 5 or 6 times by this one couple through engagement, wedding, maternity, newborn, 1st birthday, and multiple family photo sessions. Plausible.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        @doncalifornia:disqus’s new nickname is Debby Downer! 🙂

  • Aaron Lee

    Check out what youtube channels she subscribes to…. LOL

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK9xhsLVu-iYPh-wlHvQBOg

    • peaceetc

      It’s okay, Aaron. You don’t actually have to watch the videos, you just have to subscribe to them. All those subs started a month ago, so she’s an old pro by now.

      • BullShite

        She’s pro enough to use a photo of sad children as her bloody timeline photo! That takes some chutzpah!

    • Lindsay11

      I dunno exactly what I’m missing that’s so funny? At least she tried looking things up which is more than I can say for most of our stealers. Unless she’s claiming she made those videos or something?

      • peaceetc

        No, I think it’s more that she’s subscribing to all those photography channels in the last month, but she’s out there stealing others’ images. It’s great to want to better oneself, but she isn’t. She’s stealing.

        • Lindsay11

          Oh I get it!

        • Yeah … that was the first thing that jumped out at me. that just screams sudden interest and lack of skill.

      • doncalifornia

        It looks like everything she has subscribed to is tutorials for beginners. There’s one even titled “Photographer Overnight.” That actually is kind of funny, considering her portfolio.

  • Amber Kost

    Her website says “my camera loves to capture it all!”…it must have auto corrected “right click” to “camera”

  • Marc W.

    Looks like her personal FB pages are down too, but found this joint one: https://www.facebook.com/renee.justin.bratton

    • Seeing this makes me feel bad for the significant other whom I imagine, most of the times, don’t know what their spouse is up to. He’ll probably come to her defense because, well you almost have to. Poor sod.

    • ALP

      Anyone who shares a Facebook profile with a significant other deserves what they get. Be your own person! Have your own profile! Bleh.

  • Lindsay11
  • A.

    I love that it seems she has multiple fake profiles set up to review her own business. That’s dedication!
    http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=rh0morBM_RJW0QmPp_Vb2w

  • David Green

    I wish she would have stolen newer wedding work instead of old photos I’m slightly embarrassed by.

    • Doug

      ha…

  • captain-confuzzled

    one of the email addresses she listed has “EllaBellaPhotosLLC” As far as I can see she does not have an LLC registered in Nevada. Maybe LLC stands for “Loves Lifting Content”

    • Louise Ungerman

      LOL

  • Mel Colvin

    Horrible. Just HORRIBLE. I want to give a HUGE thank you to all the people that contacted me and let me know that this girl had stolen my photographs and used them at her own. I was completely furious and heartbroken when I found out, not to mention disgusted that someone could do something so awful. I am going to keep an eye on her!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU, times a million! | http://www.melcolvinphotography.com

    • Lindsay11

      I am so sorry that happened to you Mel. I wanted to make sure you had some information that might be helpful. http://www.photoattorney.com/help-ive-been-infringed/

    • Louise Ungerman

      Glad I could help Mel 🙂

    • Christopher C.

      Please, please consider taking legal action. Photographers get stepped on a lot, and if a bunch start standing up and not letting shit like this go without repercussions, it’s just going to keep happening.

    • Justin Case

      It is really a horrible thing to have happen to you Mel. One of the worst things is how little thought people who steal give to the people in the pictures and their families. A mother who could steal pictures of children she never met should take a long, hard look in the mirror and decide if this is really acceptable behavior.
      Sorry it happened to you and your clients, and truly hope this is the last time you ever hear of Ella Bella Photography.

  • Lindsay11

    If she ever tries to claim “inspiration”, here’s proof she knows how to do that properly. *attached* http://ellabellaphotos.blogspot.com/2014/07/inspiration.html

    • doncalifornia

      However, that is still outright copyright infringement. She needs permission to post these and then say hey book me if you want to do something like this. It’s like Pepsi posting a Coke commercial and saying wow we’re so inspired by that brown soda goodness. And hey buy Pepsi if you want to have as much fun and excitement as those guys drinking Coke.

      • Lindsay11

        That’s true, I was giving her the benefit of the doubt that she’d asked Kelly to post those. At the very least she knows not to remove a watermark and upload it as her own.

      • Yeah … now if she talked abit more about the pictures, did a critique of them … something a bit more “editoriallish” she would have been ok but just saying “Me likes” isn’t enough to warrant protection under fair use (in my non-professional non-lawyer opinion).

  • V323

    So….this person is my neck of the woods, literally mere miles away. She was in several local groups here as well, and as a result of this, been booted. One thing I can say is, I’m glad she (so far) isn’t pulling out the bullshit reasons as a defense.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Hopefully with enough of a push, the local media will pick up on it!

      • V323

        Highly doubt it, especially if she just quietly goes away. I don’t think she’s “done it” long enough to have a presence that she needs to push.

    • Lindsay11

      No, she seems to be a delete, ignore and rebrand type. I hope you have alerted your local photographer friends about this person!

      • V323

        Yea…I may have alerted a friend or 2.

    • Marc W.

      Was she booted because of stealing, or because of something else?

      • V323

        Booted for the stealing. After PS posted, it was shared very quickly through the local photography groups.

  • Lindsay11

    If anyone’s curious about who else stole pornography and passed them off as high school senior photo shoots I found this guy. http://stopstealingphotos.com/williams-rogers-photography-aka-challenging-photography/

    • Photo Stealers

      I think you’re on the wrong thief?

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Give her a break. They all run together! 🙂

      • Lindsay11

        I don’t think so? (I guess that means there are more out there!) They do run together though, good lord!

        This is what you said at the bottom:

        “The original link is above but I wanted to post this one because of what he typed below the image, “I am often asked which is the best place to take family photo’s, sometimes the best places are just the back garden or a local park.”

        The original image has an upskirt shot of this girl in her underwear.

        I was going to do more but I can’t. I just can’t look at these young girls anymore and think about what this photographer may have been trying to accomplish with a gallery of images that he didn’t take that are cropped nudes/racy images.”

        Unless you mean he wasn’t technically using pornography? There were a ton of NSFW images in the “stolen from” section.

        Either way, I think it’s relevant.

  • Steven Joseph

    I texted this fauxtog, asked her: “Are you saying that she made it up? That she fabricated all those screen captures of stolen photos on your blog?”

    She says:
    “That is true, those pictures were not on my blog ever. I’ve already contact blogger and they are helping me with the situation. If I was guilty why would I be texting you. She emailed me the pictures she said I was stealing and I took that damn picture at Floyd Lamb and the others at JW Marriott. This is ridiculous. You can say what you want about me, post on your blog whatt you believe, but I would get your facts straight.”
    “The lawyer I’m working with has already contacted blogger and they are working on proving her screen shots are false. Blogger can go back in my history and prove it. I will be taking legal action against ANYONE who posts slanderous talk about me or my business. I’m done. This is ridiculous.”

    • captain-confuzzled

      She’s done all right. Done getting away with her deceptions

    • V323

      So she’s claiming the pics above, that were on her blog, are hers? Um.I can probably tell you which ones are Floyd & Marriot. Seriously, this is my frickin neighborhood

    • Lindsay11

      I love how FAST these frauds get the lawyer/police working on their internet problems!

      Grab a screenshot of that Steven, if you can. Then she can accuse you of fabricating her post!

      • ALP

        It’s like ordering a pizza: 40 minutes or less for a lawyer.

        I was waiting for the crazy to start. Here’s to a Tuesday of vodka popcorn!

        • captain-confuzzled

          or there’s always Brett’s fiverr lawyer!

      • Steven Joseph

        These quotes are from my text messages with her. She can’t delete those.

    • Lindsay11

      Also ask her how Corey was able to hack onto her website to add all that plagiarism? http://i1.wp.com/stopstealingphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ella-bella-photography_0027.jpg

    • ALP

      I keep wondering how many of these people *actually* believe their own BS. If they tell themselves a lie enough times, I think they begin to believe it. And if it did come down to a lawsuit, do they believe that anyone is going to believe Cory spent hours Photoshopping together screen captures of a website? Just because?Maybe I spend too much time trying to understand the mindset of the people featured here.

    • That is an hilarious BS excuse.

    • Yeah … not gonna hold my breath here. “A hacker did it” is a common excuse.

  • Steven Joseph

    I’m looking forward to the results of Blogger’s investigation to prove that PS fabricated those screen shots… We should be hearing results any day now…..

  • Steven Joseph

    Wow, it’s rough for this one. She thinks maybe some local photographers were jealous of her, and got this slander (libel) and screencap-fabrication conspiracy going.

    I don’t mean to mock, but I wish that JUST ONCE one of these photos stealers would fess up, and stop lying about their lies.

    From our latest text conversation. I asked her why anyone would go to so much effort to hurt her:

    “I’m literally in tears over this. I use to live in MD and I had my business over there for a while. I know photoshop and I have no clue how she could render those images. The only thing I can think of is a few photographers were upset with me b/c we were both in the running for a few big clients. I might have said that those photographers wouldn’t be the best choice. I think it got back to them and this lady is pissed. I have blogger currently sending me screen shots of the days before this happened to prove those images were not on my blog. The weird thing is ALL my newborn and One year old/smash cake images just disappeared two days ago. I didn’t think anything of it till the harassment started. I had to re upload over 120 pictures and configure them back on my blog. I seriously am going to take full legal actiond against this woman anyone else who is slandering my name or my business name. My lawyer at Huggins Law Office will be working on this.”

    • captain-confuzzled

      Who’s got the bingo card handy? We’re checking off boxes quickly with this one

    • Marc W.

      Wait, a family lawyer will be looking at this?

      http://www.hugginslawfirm.com/Firm-Overview.shtml

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        I love google cache.

    • Photo Stealers

      Oh and I’m not in MD nor have I ever heard of her until she was submitted to me.

    • Justin Case

      Please let her know that she is free to comment her so we can all explain to her how the internet works.

    • V323

      She needs to understand, she wasn’t outed by anyone who’s a) jealous of her work nor b) some competing directly against her for specific clients. I can say this as 100% fact, she was outed because it was noticed she had images on her blog that didn’t match her FB postings in terms of style & quality. The original photog’s were contacted, and it went from there. There is no conspiracy to hurt her.

      Renee….just apologize & move on. You are wrong here and you know it.

      • peaceetc

        Amen to that. I didn’t out her, but I can safely say I am not jealous of her work.

    • peaceetc

      It’s a conspiracy, I tell ya! I just hate it when those little internet weasels burrow into other people’s blogs and put stolen images on there without our permission. Because that totally happens, you know. All the time.

      • Marc W.

        No, the internet weasels are too busy with the naked selfies right now.

    • Lindsay11

      I’m waiting for her story to start to explain why she plagiarized. “Blogger is sending me screenshots” LOL

      • Helena

        Everyone knows that only Blogger can take legit screen shots. Duh!

        • ALP

          And all the best photographers in MD (who are up for a big job!) use Blogger for their websites. **sigh**

          • Helena

            The super rock stars use livejournal. :p

          • ALP

            Heh. And here I’be been laboring over my WordPress site, teaching myself HTML and Java for years.

  • Photo Stealers

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    • Marc W.

      HAHA. I was NOT expecting that!

    • U Really That Dumb?

      You forgot to credit Joseph!

      • Marc W.

        Why, this blog is about people stealing photos, not crediting them.

      • Photo Stealers

        He’s not the original source 😉

        • U Really That Dumb?

          But, but, but, he posed it once! LOL

    • peaceetc

      Ha! I needed that. Catfished, indeed.

    • Lindsay11

      Can you make a “catfish” tag to go next to the other ones? It isn’t important, but if it’s not a lot of work I think that would be fun.

    • Lol

  • Steven Joseph

    Just to be clear, I’m posting my text conversation with this photo strealer so that everyone can see the lengths to which photo stealers like this one go to justify and rationalize their fall. Obviously I don’t for a minute believe that Cory or anyone else fabricated screencaps. Nor do I believe anyone is conspiring against this person. She. Just. Got. Caught. And now she appears to be lying about her lies, like every other photo stealer.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Can you post the screen caps of the texts?

      • Steven Joseph

        Sure, if I can figure out how to screen cap on my Galaxy Note 3. Anybody?

        • peaceetc
        • captain-confuzzled

          Take a screenshot on the Galaxy Note 3 (or Note Pro) using the S Pen

          On the Galaxy Note 3, Galaxy Note Pro, and Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition),
          there are now two new ways to take screenshots (or something like them). To use these, you have to open the Air Command menu, which you can do by pulling out the S Pen stylus, or by hovering the pen over the screen and clicking the button on it.

          Scrapbooker: This is a selection in the Air Command
          radial menu. It lets you draw a circle around a part of the screen to take a screenshot. After you take a picture of part of the screen, you can add tags, notes, and categories to organize the pic. You can access
          the photo from a special scrapbook app on the device.

          Screen Write: This feature was also on the Note 2, but that device lacked an Air Command menu. Select it from the options to take a screenshot. You can then write notes on top of the image. There are options to change your pen color and size if you want to get creative.

          Just hold the button and tap: On all S Pen Galaxy
          devices, you can also hold down the button on the S Pen and touch the pen to the screen, holding it there until you see and/or hear a screenshot being taken. This technique is best on the Note 2, Note 8.0, and original Note 10.1.

          Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-take-a-screenshot-on-galaxy-s3-note-2-android/#ixzz3CBtHg9fM

          Follow us: @digitaltrends on Twitter | digitaltrendsftw on Facebook

          • Steven Joseph

            Using the pen method I’m seeing my screen blink, confirming I got the screen cap, but I don’t see where they live. They are not in my Gallery area. I have no “Screencap” section in my Gallery.

        • U Really That Dumb?
        • Lindsay11

          LOL So at least 4 of us googled that cause we all really wanna see the screenshots. I love you guys!

          • captain-confuzzled

            investigooglers – powered by Vodka Popcorn! Rocking the internet! LOL

        • Helena

          You can customise the android settings to have a screenshot button.

  • Steven Joseph

    Link to the screencaps of this morning’s txt conversation with Today’s photo stealer: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cltwugrlvqasnes/07.jpg?dl=0

    • peaceetc

      Awesome! Thanks, Steven.

    • peaceetc

      Is it just the one screenshot?

  • Steven Joseph

    Breakthrough and maybe a PhotoStealers First!?: I just got a txt from her saying that her conscience is getting to her and that she is deeply sorry. I will post a screencap in a moment, after I invite her to post it herself to this forum.

    • Marc W.

      Awe. I was waiting to hear from her family lawyer.

    • ALP

      Is that a sign of the apocalypse?

    • peaceetc

      I hope that’s true, and that she really is realizing she needs to own up to what she did. That’s a good first step.

  • Steven Joseph

    Our text conversation this morning. She just confessed via text. I’m going to invite her to do the same here before I upload that screencap.

    • V323

      I genuinely hope she doesn’t pull the drive by “I’m only going to say this once & I consider the matter closed” crap.

      • doncalifornia

        LOL that’s always my favorite Bingo square to fill.

    • Marc W.

      I wonder if she actually spoke with her Uncle lawyer because I’d love to hear her explain to him that she actually did steal the photos. Well, she might need a lawyer anyway, a defense lawyer.

  • Steven Joseph

    She is scared she will be harrassed and verbally abused if she posts a public apology. I HOPE THAT EVERYONE WILL PRAISE AND THANK her for owning up, stepping forward, and publicly confessing and apologizing. IS EVERYONE OK WITH THAT?

    • BullShite

      When has ANYONE ever done that? Let alone to anyone who has confessed?
      This is not about “verbal abuse” it’s about getting people to stop stealing. If her intent is to stop and move on, trust me, no one here is going to deny her that.

      • ALP

        When people have posted faux-apologies of the I’m sorry I got caught variety, well, we’re not always kind. But a legit apology? After we pick our jaws up off the floor, there could be spontaneous applause.

        • Marc W.

          Does it get on anyone else’s nerves that an apology comes after they threaten a lawsuit?

          • U Really That Dumb?

            When we get notice from the people she stole from that they have been paid in full, then I will believe it. Until then, sorry, seen too many people play that card.
            Do I think it took a lot for her to come here and say that? Absolutely! That doesn’t make it a permanent change.

          • ALP

            Yep 🙂

  • Susan C

    Ok, I’m confused. Who do the original photos belong to, and were there two different photographers that stole the work?

    • Justin Case

      In the images above, the Ella Bella pages are on the left; original photographers’ pages are on the right

  • renee

    I want to deeply and sincerely apologize to the photographers that work I stole and posted on my blog. It was wrong what I did. My conscience has been eating away at me for the past few weeks and I should have removed the photos then. I’m a mother and I don’t want my children to think this type of behavior is acceptable. If I didn’t publicly apologize I would be setting a bad example for my children. I want to thank Steven Joseph for sending me the link so I could publicly apologize. I truly feel horrible and I’m not just saying that to “say it”. I’m not a bad person, but I did a horrible thing. I know in my heart I will never post another photographers work as my own and again I want to apologize to those photographers I violated. My sincerest apologies.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Thank you.
      Now, you need to go to the photographers you stole from, apologize to them, and find out what their commercial use rates are for images. Then you need to pay them that amount as well as any other costs they have incurred due to this. Ex: Already contacted their attorney, filed DMCA’s, etc.

    • Thank you … thank u .. Thank you.
      For once an honest apology with no excuses, passing blame or back talk.

    • Steven Joseph

      Outstanding Renee. I am very impressed with your apology. And I am very ahppy for you and for the photography community. You’ve done the right thing, something that very few (if *any*) of the people profiled on PhotoStealers ever do. You are to be congratulated and praised.

      If you wanted some guidance on strengthening your photography – something I have worked on every day for the last 10 years – please feel free to contact me. I am happy to help however I can. I live in Henderson.

      • Lindsay11

        Wow Steven, what a kind and generous offer. You’ve done a lot here today and this is super nice.

    • BullShite

      It takes guts to own up, so I suppose those kids don’t have to worry about a bad example in the end. It’s refreshing to see this. I wish you well.

    • chuck knuckles

      That is a great apology, very sincere – best ever on PhotoStealers.
      But you didn’t steal photos form the people here. So you need to make sure that EVERYONE you stole from get’s that same apology in their email inbox today. Ask them what you owe them for using their pictures. Think of it as an expensive lesson learned in Photography (you can probably write it off as a business expense).
      Best of luck.

      • chuck knuckles

        And come back from time to time and tell us how your apologies went and how things are going for you. This is uncharted territory we’re entering with you, so we’d like to know how you’re doing.
        Maybe even join in on the conversation when we’re roasting some fresh meat, and give your unique perspective.

    • Good first step. Now is the long haul of living by that apology.

      Consider that this could have gone far worse for you (and potentially still could if the offended photographers decide not to accept your apology).

      Each image you stole could see penalties levied against you in the US of up to 150,000$ (EACH) and if you removed or cropped out any watermarks? that’s another 2500$ to 25,000$ each and then add in legal fees.

      Even with the removal of the images and the apology, the photographers could still sue you. Removal of the content doesn’t absolve you of wrong doing … thankfully your apology SEEMS sincere so you have a good chance to be forgiven …

      Good luck.

    • Lindsay11

      For starters I’d apologize to these people. http://stopstealingphotos.com/ella-bella-photography-las-vegas-nv/#comment-1570530338 and http://stopstealingphotos.com/ella-bella-photography-las-vegas-nv/#comment-1570489955

      Then I’d remove the stolen words that are on your blog.

      Next don’t do it again.

      I’m glad you decided to stop lying and give an apology. Take Steven up on his offer. Study and learn photography a good 10+ years before you decide to sell your services.

    • Melinda Potter

      The apology should go on your Facebook page and wherever else you have an audience. Then take the time to contact all the artists you plagerized and infringed personally. Not that I don’t appreciate your apology here on photostealers, but… To me it just doesn’t belong here. The photographers, their clients, and your family, friends, and clients are the ones that deserve to read/receive your apology.

      • Marc W.

        On Facebook page. Yes yes yes.

      • ALP

        Has there been any sign of an actual public apology? The facebook page is gone and I didn’t see anything on the blog/website. Have any of the victims heard anything?

        • Melinda Potter

          Not that I’m aware of

    • You can’t fix stupid

      I agree with Melinda, you have to swallow your pride and make a public apology on FB and your blog. Hiding it here isn’t going to help.
      Why can only members on your blog comment? What are you tying to hide? Posted further up you were asked why you said that PS were out to get you, still no answer
      See all these things add up and people are not going to be so supportive if you do a half hearted job. Why did member of this page find work that was still stolen on your blog? It isn’t up to us to tell you what to remove.

  • Steven Joseph

    Hey folks. At the risk of opening a can of worms …

    The person profiled in this expose (Renee) just txt’d me to let me know that she continues to receive txts, emails & fb alerts requesting personal apologies and requesting that she post a general apology to her FB page.

    I know that not everybody will agree with me. But here’s my take, and my advice to her. Bottom line: she’s apologized to pro togs up here. She’s apologized to the 3 from whom she stole. If she apologizes individually to the clients she misled and from whom she accepted money on false pretenses, then I think she’s done. Let’s leave her alone. Let’s support her public and private penance.

    It’s remarkable and maybe unprecedented for someone caught to so fully repent. Does it further our cause, the cause of PhotoStealers, to beat the rare penitent bloody? I’m for leaving her alone, praising her courage, supporting her rehabilitation.

    MY TEXT TO HER:
    “Working photographers probably won’t agree on all of it, but I think you’re done with your penance once you’ve apologized to the professional photography community (which you did on PS), to the photographers whose work you stole (which you say you have done and I believe you), and to the clients you misled and accepted money from.

    I think that last point is where the calls for posting to your fb page are coming from. That’s gonna be awfully embarrassing.

    Perhaps another way to repent with past customers is to contact them individually, apologize, and offer to make it up to them some how. Many are probably happy with their photos. Some may want a refund or other compensation.

    This last point is probably where pro togs will disagree. We’re an ornery bunch to begin with. And it’s so difficult competing against real photographers who’ve done the long hard work to get good, it really gets our hair up to have to compete against fakers.

    So some may just want to humiliate you.

    But if you personally apologize to the individual clients you’ve misled, I think you’ll be in the right to request up on Photo Stealers that the harassment stop. But not everyone will agree with me.

    You may also want to ask the 3 you stole from to vouch for your apology up on PS.”

    • I don’t think anyone here will harass her.

      • Steven Joseph

        Joseph, is Marc W. harassing her now? I understand why pro togs are angry. I feed a family of 6 entirely from photography. I get it. But I wonder how we are all served by pummeling the rare person who confesses?

        • U Really That Dumb?

          No, that’s not harassment, that’s honesty. If that’s what you call harassment then grow up or go find another place to hang out.

        • Marc W.

          I am not. I don’t have her information to contact her off this website. I’m more passive aggressive than anything. Plus I wouldn’t want to be blamed for saying something in private that I didn’t say. So that’s why I only post here.

        • Helena

          There has been no harassment on this page from Marc w or anyone else towards Renee, and the implication is quite offensive. If Renee can prove harassment from someone here then fair enough, but thus far she hasn’t, and people from this forum rarely contact a thief directly like you did, because it can be construed as harassment.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Sorry, no. That’s a total copout.
      She was warned prior to today and failed to act. So one relatively private action today does not make it right.
      Without a public apology there is no way all of her friends and family will know what she’s done. THOSE are some of the people injured the most and most likely to be harmed in the future.
      As for the people she stole from, let’s see if they are willing to accept her apology before we ASS-U-ME we know what they will say.

      As for harassment, that better not happen unless she 1) steals again 2) starts attacking people on this page. Either way she needs to contact a mod if it does.

    • Renee

      Thank you Steven. I have removed everything that is not my work off my blog. I have contacted each photographer through email that I have violated to personally apologize. I only received a response from Kelly Klatt thus far. I am also contacting the clients who viewed my website to give them a full refund. Only 5 thus far so that will be done within the hour. I owe the apologies to the photographers I stole from and the clients I misled. My facebook page never had 1 stolen image on it…EVER. I am sure the creator of this website can attest to that. Please leave my personal pages alone. I am still getting harrassing messages and texts. Thank you.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Thank you again for coming back here!

        I am sorry if you are truly getting harassing msgs. That is wrong!
        However, understand that many stealers come here claiming that same thing and either can’t prove it, or when they do post what’s been said, turns out to not be harassment at all. So accept the fact that we WILL doubt you and there is nothing you can do about it until proven otherwise. You are not the first thief and unfortunately not the last that has said these things.

        Again, part of the problem is you were warned previously and chose to do nothing. Not until you were featured here was there a change. So again, it is not unreasonable for the people here to ask that you 1) prove yourself and 2) make a public apology.

        • renee

          I have a question, when you say I “was warned previously and did nothing about it”, what are you referring to? The first time I was emailed/called/approached at all was last night around 8pm. I IMMEDIATELY took down all the photos and text. I never received a call/email/anything before that. I just wanted to clarify that. By no means am I trying to start an argument. Please understand that.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            No one said anything to you in any group prior to yesterday?

          • renee

            That’s correct. The emails and phone calls started at exactly 8pm my time on Labor Day. I just wanted everyone to know I didn’t ignore or “not do anything about it” I literally removed everything the second I knew I had been caught. Sadly I should have done it by myself before I was exposed. I know in my heart I will never do it again and I just feel horrible.

          • Lindsay11

            You deleted everything the minute you found out? Are you sure about that? Please don’t start lying and ruining all the good your apology did.

          • renee

            I found out at 8pm and by 10 or 10:30 I removed everything. Why do you say I’m lying? I’m confused? I truly am not lying. By 10:30 everything was gone. I found out at 8pm but I had to give my daughter a bath and do her bedtime routine. As soon as I was done with that I went back to my computer and finished removing everything c

          • Marc W.

            Why would you be lying? Because we know you lie.

            Edit: sorry everyone, can you tell I hate liars?

          • Steven Joseph

            Marc, I understand why pro togs are angry. I feed a family of 6 entirely from photography. I get it. But I wonder how we are all served by pummeling the rare person who confesses and repents?

            Hey, I’m always disappointed when the photographer victims whose work is stolen don’t sue the unrepentant stealers. But it appears we’ve got an exception in Renee.

            Marc, what’s your end-game in continuing to shame and pound on Renee? Do you think that continuing to bloody her will encourage the next photo stealer to confess?

            I think we may have a rare example of the path forward. How about we believe her going forward until she gives us reason not to?

            Thank you for considering my point.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Steven, I think it’s time you step away before you get yourself banned. He is not harassing anyone. You attacking him IS harassment. Understood?

          • Steven Joseph

            No U Really That Dumb (whoever that is o_0) My name is Steven Joseph Fogarty. I’m a professional full time photographer. Who are you? And who the hell are you to suggest that my attempts to resolve this issue should be banned? WHO ARE YOU who hides behind a Simpson’s avatar and fake name?

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Adios!

          • U Really That Dumb?

            That type of attitude is not tolerated and exactly what you were asking others not to do towards Renee.

            Marc is answering questions and calling a spade a spade. YOU do not get to set the rules just because.
            If you would like to get back on this page you are welcome to send an apology email through the website.

          • Steven Joseph

            Who are you? Other than an anonymous bully, who are you? I’m completely transparent.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Why does it matter? Would you treat me any differently if you knew who I am? You expect that no one say one word to Renee, yet when they know she is still lying, and call her out, you attack them? Nope, not gonna happen.
            You’re going to have to live with the fact that she lied to you even after you came here trying to play hero.

          • Steven Joseph

            The default handle on most blogs for those who leave comments anonymously is “Anonymous Coward”. Most people posting here are transparent. We can see who they are, that they are working photographers. Why all the bluster from behind a fake name and cartoon avatar? Who are you?

          • Photo Stealers

            Steven, I’ve never required real names, nor will I.

          • chuck knuckles

            Thank you for that!
            -signed another anonymous coward

          • captain-confuzzled

            Stephen, focusing on the identity of any one person posting here is a deflection from the issue at hand and is really not useful or relevant to the conversation. There is no pissing contest going on. I’m really glad to see Renee here taking part in the conversation and hope like heck she means what she says, and if she is sincere, she will end up with a lot of supporters here as she moves forward in the industry. But it is also very reasonable that skepticism abounds. We’ve seen a lot of combinations of faux everything at times.

          • Steven Joseph

            It matters because you somehow have the authority to ban people and you wield that power aggressively and inappropriately from behind a mask. Who are you?

          • Lindsay11

            Steven, it’s possible you don’t read here often enough and you just got too close to this one. Calling out other posters is WAY out of line. Corey does not require names and it is her site. If she had had a problem with anything URTD had said you better believe she would have stepped right in.

            I’m sorry but Renee is still lying. It’s noble (I suppose) to want to white knight for her but she is a big girl and can answer the questions put to her. She is HARDLY the first person to come here and apologize. They usually come to apologize while they are still stealing, which is exactly what Renee did.

            You can’t come to the group and say, “back off this is my stealer and I’ll tell you how you all can and cannot communicate with her!” It just doesn’t work that way. If it did she would still be stealing and no one would be able to call her out on it.

            You said this to Marc: “Marc, what’s your end-game in continuing to shame and pound on Renee? Do you think that continuing to bloody her will encourage the next photo stealer to confess?

            I think we may have a rare example of the path forward. How about we believe her going forward until she gives us reason not to?”

            Here’s the thing Steven, we HAD/HAVE proof she was/is still lying and stealing. You obviously didn’t. Marc was in no way harassing her. At all! (I’m offended for Marc on his behalf actually.) Part of the reason this community works so well is everyone has at least one bit of the information and storyline so when we all come together we are really good at this. Having one person control how everyone can come together and speak severely limits any progress that can be made. If we all let you bully us into not asking questions then Renee pats herself on the back and is happy she got away with at least a little bit. And I’m sure that’s not what you want.

            I’m also offended that you were trying to call out URTD. We all try to police each other to make sure this site is the best it can be. One does not need to be a mod to ask other posters to tone it down a little. Hell, I’ve asked people to back off for several reasons and no one called me out and asked me who the hell I was. That’s just how this site works. We all want the best results here and we police ourselves as best as we can. It’s devolved into arguments here and there but it does work.

            On a personal note I find all your mentions of “PROFESSIONAL photographer” to be fairly insulting. You may not realize how condescending you were coming across and I’ll give you a pass on that. Just something to think about.

            I apologize for writing a novel but (can you tell?) I feel pretty strongly about this!

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Nope, can’t tell at all.

          • Marc W.
          • Melinda Potter

            Wasn’t another link to one of your ports and it’s stolen images shared at 1:00pm today?

          • doncalifornia

            The only problem with this narrative is that you were removing everything in order to hide it. As of today, past noon your time, you were claiming that you never had any stolen photos on your site or blog, that it was all just some sort of a setup, that PhotoStealers faked all the posts, that you had spoken to a lawyer and were going to be taking action. You most certainly were not going to be getting hold of the original photographers nor were you going to make a public apology. Because, at that moment, earlier today, 12 to 15 hours after realizing you had been caught, you were still trying to deny it. So when people say you didn’t respond or didn’t do anything about it, they mean that you didn’t address the issue of the theft. Your only immediate reaction was to hide the evidence and claim it had been fabricated. You shouldn’t come on here today and say ‘hey the second I found out about it I responded!’ because that ultimately doesn’t ring true at all. Also, a piece of advice, if you think that it’s a good decision to only apologize here, and to only acknowledge your deceit privately to the photographers from whom you stole – in other words, if you are trying to NOT go public on your facebook or website… you will regret that decision in the long run. Why? Because this site listing is not going away. One day, a family member or a business acquaintance, or a fellow school mom, will google you and this will all come pouring out. THEN they will really feel betrayed. Best you let it all out now and take your lumps. Then start over, learn a ton, get better, work with other photographers, take classes, practice a lot with friends family and acquaintances, etc. You’ll find plenty of support.

          • doncalifornia

            And confessing would also include saying publicly, ‘yes I even created a fake yelp account and gave my company completely fabricated reviews.’

          • Lindsay11

            Well, I have many reasons to doubt you Renee. One is you are a proven liar and I tend not to believe people who lie and put the blame on others. (I would love if you would answer Don’s question about why you tried to blame Corey and jealous haters for your theft.)

            Two is I believe you were contacted long before PS posted this page and you disregarded those warnings.

            Three is the fact that you say you were getting emails and phone calls at 8pm your time on Monday and you removed everything asap. However, we know you didn’t. We found stolen images and words all over your pages all day yesterday. A good 13 – 17 hours after you say you removed everything! And I can see a few people have pointed out you STILL had Kelly’s picture up after you claimed you removed everything. I do know you spent a lot of time removing negative reviews. http://stopstealingphotos.com/ella-bella-photography-las-vegas-nv/#comment-1570383264

            So, it’s all well and good you’ve come here to apologize. I appreciate that and I’m sure we all do. But you have to stop lying before an apology will work. Remove everything you’ve stolen, post a public apology and DO NOT DO IT AGAIN.

          • Marc W.

            Yes, you took it down because you were caught. Then you lied. And then threw BS that PS was the one to blame that they were lying.

        • Marc W.

          Not only until after being outted here, but said PS was wrong that she didn’t steal and started telling lies that libeled (?) Corey Ann that she photoshopped those screenshots.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Aside from email, they all have phones and physical addresses. If you don’t get a response by morning consider one of those.

      • Lindsay11

        Renee, please PLEASE don’t steal any more. I would really love to hold you up to future featured stealers as someone who did the right thing. Wouldn’t you like to be that person? Please apologize to everyone and don’t do it again. Please.

        • renee

          I can honestly and truly say I will NEVER do something so stupid ever again. My conscience is killing me and I feel like a big bag of shit. I feel horrible. I sent personal apologies to every photographer I know I stole from. Mel Colvin, Kelly Klatt, and Ashley & David photography.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            You’re forgetting at least one.

          • chuck knuckles

            Renee, can you explain to us a little bit about your line of reasoning when you accused PS of faking all the screenshots above to make you look guilty?
            I’m just interested in the reasoning process of a confessed thief and liar. It’s a question we all wonder, I’m sure. But rarely would ever get someone to answer…

          • chuck knuckles

            Seriously Renee, we want to know…
            The whole time you were accusing us of faking the screenshots above, did you really feel like “a big bag of shit”, or were you excited about the (albeit slim) possibility that this lie might actually get these assholes off your back?


            just crickets

          • How about apologizing to Corey (the person behind Photo Stealers) for the libelous comments you made in regards to her fabricating the evidence on this page?

      • Melinda Potter

        Unfortunately, that’s going to happen. As much as I would like for everyone to keep their cool, there are some that take things a little too far, or even just chime in a little later than others, which can make it feel as though it’s a continuous assault. It also takes a minute for the heat of the moment to cool down. If you have to… Turn off your social media for a few days. I’m sure you will still have some speaking their minds for a few more days to come.

        My children just recently stole from the community we just moved to, along with a few other children. They will be giving a police ordered public apology on stage at a school auditorium. Pretty much every parent in town will be there. I’m sure the discussion and punishment won’t end as soon as they apologize. Their victims need to be heard, they need to ask questions and get answers. This isn’t to humiliate the kids, or harrass them, but to make SURE their point gets across and they never do something like this again. When that audience asks questions, and demands answers, or asks them for some sort of restitution, or even quite a few just needs to have their feelings heard… I won’t be saying “ok. That’s enough. Leave them be”. Most likely they will hear advice, thoughts, and feelings on the subject for weeks to come (possibly longer), and they will have to listen to what’s said. It’s going to be tough on them, but what they did has consequences, and they have to accept them.

        I realize that most the texts, and messages that you are receiving aren’t from the victims themselves, but from the photography community, and you might feel like “what the heck!? This doesn’t even involve them.” Technically you’re right, But… That’s just simply not completely true. It’s much more involved than that.
        Unlike yourself, my children didn’t have a choice wether to make what they did go public or not. They weren’t given a chance to handle things privately and attempt to make it right. But, just like you, I highly doubt that these children would have handled things right, owned up to what they did, or even knew the seriousness of what they did if it hadn’t gone public. It took getting caught in a very big way to get through to them, and in turn this makes the punishment much harsher than if they had just done the right thing from the get go.
        I wish you no ill will, I won’t be messaging you and feel it’s more appropriate to talk here, and I encourage others to do the same. I want you to get past this. Unfortunately it may take awhile longer and be much more difficult than you originally thought.

        • renee

          I understand Melinda. I will do everything I can to make it right. Thank you for sharing your story. Thank you for not harassing me. I know I don’t deserve any kindness and I’m humbled when I receive the slightest amount from anyone here.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Renee,
        Please recognize that Steven is not helping your cause by attacking people here for being skeptical. People WILL be skeptical. Skepticism is NOT harassment. Look at the countless people that stole before you and their responses. As others have said, everything you say is suspect considering you already lied and stole at least once.

        Be 100% certain that EVERYTHING is off every one of your pages! Make sure you tell the ENTIRE TRUTH here and on your public apology.

        You will survive if you take the advice of the people here. They DO know what they are talking about. Many are professional photographers and have been doing this for a very long time. Most of them teach photography and WANT to see success! I have been teaching in one form or another since 1989 and absolutely love it when a student of mine becomes successful!

        No one here wishes you ill will. We will however, as mentioned, be watching you. Take that, learn, grow, become successful! Heck, come back here and ask questions! You never know what you may learn or who you may connect with!

        • Steven Joseph

          U Really That Dumb – who are you?

    • BullShite

      While you are at it, ask her for an apology for giving her the benefit of the doubt about for me, considering she’s a blatant liar. I don’t accept these apologies anymore. There have been people on this page who have NEVER apologized, but at LEAST they remove all of the stolen material off of their pages. She’s made an ass out of you and Chris and any compassion or faith you had in her for sticking up for her, because she’s refusing to remove all of the stolen material.

      “Harassment”? Ask for a screen cap or assume it didn’t happen. If I was getting harassed the first thing I would do is cap it and make it public. There is a pathology to people who take shortcuts by taking what does not belong to them online, and she fits the bill… for some reason the like to LIE.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        You may want to ask her why she is STILL lying and why she still has stolen images up.
        I would make a $10,000,000.00 bet that not all of the stolen images have been removed.

    • U Really That Dumb?
  • Kelly Klatt

    Hey guys~I tried to leave a comment earlier, and I don’t know if it went through…my name is Kelly Klatt, and Renee stole images from me 🙁 I applaud this website for cracking down on this blatant thievery, and appreciate that the photo community has my back! I contacted Renee last night, and she took the photos down soon after my email. She has since sent me an apology. I am quite surprised that she owned up to it, and I appreciate her email. We’ve been chatting back and forth…she feels like a pile of shit (which she knows she should)…but she is being bullied via text, etc. Let’s save the bullying for the people that steal and then lie further about it…
    Thanks everyone!

    • Lindsay11

      Kelly, I apologize for not realizing you’d been stolen from earlier. I just (for some reason!) assumed she had had permission from you to post your photos. I’ll be editing my post to reflect this!

    • Marc W.

      Was permission now given for her to use your photos on her website?

      • renee

        No, Kelly has not given me permission. None of her work is on my website.

        • Marc W.
          • Melinda Potter
          • U Really That Dumb?

            SMH

          • renee

            Oh I’m sorry, yes your right I do have that picture up. . I just thought it was an adorable picture and as you can tell I put Photo Courtesy of Kelly Klatt. I will just delete it, I don’t want to bother her anymore. I am sure she is sick of hearing from me.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Again, you need to be 100% certain EVERY piece of stolen material, including words, are OFF of your site!
            Adorable is NOT NOT NOT an excuse!

          • doncalifornia

            I just came to this conversation, but Renee you do now know I hope that the photo was not “courtesy of” Kelly because you need permission to show someone else’s photo on your site. Just giving credit doesn’t allow you to use it. If you’ve already come to that conclusion then sorry for the extra words. The best way to right this immediately is to remove every single photo (and phrase) that is not your original content.

          • peaceetc

            Renee, please understand you need permission from the photographer to use their images *before* you post them anywhere. It doesn’t matter if you give credit, it’s still copyright infringement. Please be sure you remove any and all images which are not yours. All of them. It doesn’t matter why they’re there — inspiration, you think it’s cute, whatever — just remove them.

            I appreciate you are evidently learning things here, but as they say, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Please, I ask that you educate yourself about copyright law, and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA). Everyone needs to understand it, but especially those who wish to be photographers.

            Again, giving credit is not enough. You need permission.

            Thank you.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            @disqus_Pszm4sUPlM:disqus,
            THIS is why calling someone out is not harassment.
            @disqus_Rz5d9Fd3Mj:disqus & @melinda_potter:disqus, THANK YOU for your hard work and dedication!

    • U Really That Dumb?

      @kellyklatt:disqus,
      Did you see the update that another gallery FULL of stolen images was located. See the update to the post above.
      So yeh, her apology to you was also fake. Sorry!
      We all had hoped she was sincere, but alas, she proved over and over that it’s all a big fuck you, leave me alone after I say I’m sorry.
      Hopefully you’re able to get her to at least pay commercial rights, if not the full amount for the violation.
      Many people have screen caps, but try to get what you can before it’s gone.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      In regards to her claims that she’s being bullied, sorry, she has yet to prove that and with the latest revelations, everyone is calling bull shit on that claim. There is also a chance that she was fed that line by someone trying to White Knight her.

  • Photo Stealers

    IF anyone is sending harassing messages to Renee’, stop.

    • peaceetc

      Is someone doing that? What kind idiocy is that?

      People, we are not here to harass anyone. Please keep things no topic and remain civil. What you do reflects on Photo Stealers, good or bad, so have some respect for what they do and don’t be a jerk. Thanks.

    • Helena

      This is why I keep comments to here generally. I’m very uncomfortable with people making contact by phone or email too.

      • peaceetc

        Agreed. I never write to people privately, though a few have contacted me with some less than friendly messages. My favorite will always be the one who pretended to be a lawyer, but couldn’t spell worth a darn and knew nothing about how laws work.

        • Melinda Potter

          The most uncomfortable thing that happened here, during this “outting” was when one of the PS commenters was talking privately with the offender, and sharing the conversation in the comment section. The tactic DID lead to a confession and discussion that may not have taken place if that poster’s intimidation tactics didn’t take place… but it still made me a little uncomfortable. It just didn’t seem quite right. Harrassment? Not when you take the whole conversation into consideration, but uncomfortable and kind of crossing a line I wouldn’t cross. or at least balancing on that line, close to crossing over.

          • Melinda Potter

            and I just want to be clear that I appreciate the conversation that took place between the poster and Renee and how it helped her communicate here with everyone. I think it turned out well considering the direction it could have gone. and Kelly Klatt’s images finally got taken down of of Renee’s website because of it. I’m sure prior to posting here she didn’t even know which photos were Kelly’s :/

    • BullShite

      I am wondering why Renee can’t post a screen cap if it’s that bad.

      • Lindsay11

        Evidently, because she’s on vacation!

  • Kelly Klatt’s image is still on Renee’s Google+ site. The link goes to her blog where the photo has been removed but the Google+ post is still showing the photo here:-

    https://plus.google.com/101882758526453454625/posts

    Dated July 16th and still visible. Might want to remove that too Renee!

    • Lindsay11

      While you’re fixing things up Renee, please change “little one’s” to little ones and “mommy’s” to mommies. You are using an apostrophe when you just want to pluralize. I’m not saying this to nitpick, it just looks very unprofessional on your business site.

      • I was going to mention that. Also on the main website it would be better to select a max of 20 of your best shots for your portfolio not just dump everything there. It should be your best work only – need to be more selective.

        • Marc W.

          I was going to post the same thing, but I didn’t want to be called a harasser again.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Don’t worry! I won’t block you for calling a spade a spade or pointing out that a thief is full of it.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Renee,
      It is now 12hrs after you said you removed everything. Stop playing games! You are an adult. Act like one!
      A little piece of advice. If you can’t figure out what is yours and what isn’t, delete everything on every page. Then start over with ONLY your images and words!

  • David Green

    This page: http://ellabellaphotos.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html still contains text from our newborn tips page at http://ashleydavidphotography.com/tips-successful-newborn-session/. Only a few parts have been changed but it is still clearly our content.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Yup! She is still actively stealing!
      I hope you at the very least have your attorney send a demand letter. It’s time that she learn this is not a game and to stop treating us like idiots!

      • Marc W.

        And a DMCA to blogspot will help expedite stolen text to be taken town.

        • David Green

          It appears to have been addressed after this comment and an email.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Thankfully! And it appears that she is starting to take down some of the other things as well.

          • Marc W.

            Based on what others are finding, so we’re doing the work.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Which is sad because that is not our job. Especially for someone who is as remorseful as she claims to be!
            It makes the apology go right out the window.

          • Lindsay11

            “I’m soooo sorry. I want to be a good role model for my kids. So I’ll remove whatever you guys find. If you don’t find all the stuff I hid that makes it ok cause you didn’t find it. Again, super sorry!”

          • U Really That Dumb?

            “I can’t do a public apology because the people I know IRL are going to find out and I don’t want my husband to get mad at me!”

          • Marc W.

            “Sorry, not sorry”

          • Here we go again…

            Looks like it was an apology just to stop us from digging. I’m not sensing any real remorse here.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            No one is. Looks like she lied to everyone once again.

          • Lindsay11

            Marc, would you please check your other folder on fb pretty please? 🙂

      • Christopher C.

        After the seemingly genuine apology here and to other photographers, I think it’s worth easing up a bit and not immediately jumping in the idea that she’s “still actively stealing.” Take a breather.

        Yes she should erase everything and start fresh, but it could be technological ignorance combined with the desire to preserve templates or layouts or whatever that’s keeping the stolen stuff online.

        She got caught and she knows she got caught, and made the unprecedented step of owning up to it – publicly and without external blame – so temper yourself a bit and see if the problem gets corrected before grabbing your torch and pitchfork.

        If this is how you’re going to reward apologies and thieves owning up and doing the right thing, you offer very little incentive for anyone else to step up in the same manner. This should be a community that embraces owning up to wrongdoing and offering assistance to solving the problem and making things right, not one that continues bullying someone because they haven’t met your arbitrary timetable for resolution.

        • ALP

          It looks more like she’s trying to avoid her husband finding out.

          • Christopher C.

            It’s possible she may want to bring this to him on her own terms with the right words. She’s the one in the marriage, so she has every right to that.

            I could be wrong of course, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt – something greatly missing from the comments section of PS.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            She was given the benefit. Then when more stolen content was found she was given the opportunity to make it right and she continued to lie. But apparently you missed reading all of that. Perhaps you are not reading it chronologically. Who knows but you are ignoring that obvious fact.

          • Marc W.

            I give people the benefit of the doubt when they deserve it. To me, I don’t think she deserves it from me yet because of her libeling and untruthing.

          • peaceetc

            Christopher, I understand your desire for restraint. But people have been telling Renee to take down the stolen content for at least two weeks, so she hasn’t been taken completely by surprise here. It’s already public, and if her husband randomly decides to Google her name or if someone she knows comments about it on her profile, he’s going to be in for a surprise. The time for her to be an adult is now. She made her bed, and it’s time for her to lie in it.

          • Just a Girl

            2 weeks?? Seriously?!?!

          • U Really That Dumb?

            There are reports that she was alerted almost two weeks ago that ‘inspiration’ is illegal. Either way, she knew she had stolen so does it matter? Does the judge ask when you knew someone else knew? Nope! AND they don’t care!

          • Just a Girl

            Just seems even more crazy to try to continue to deny it.

          • peaceetc

            Thanks for clarifying that point.

            And, obviously, if you commit copyright infringement, it’s illegal, regardless whether someone has told you to stop or not. If she can’t be honest with her husband, that is her problem.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            As Melinda pointed out, the thief doesn’t get to dictate the terms. She doesn’t get to decide if she tells the world, friends, or family. She’s a thousand times better off doing it now but it’s not her choice.

          • doncalifornia

            “give people the benefit of the doubt – something greatly missing from the comments section of PS.”

            I have noticed that sometimes your conversations with other regulars here get a little heated up. This quote is a good example of why that happens. “benefit of the doubt” is not in any way “greatly missing” in this comments section. I honestly don’t even understand how you could concoct that opinion. I’m not going to make a case of it, because the evidence is in the hundreds of comments strewn through every post.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          Christopher,
          Here is the problem with that line of thinking.
          *She knowingly lied about stolen content.
          *Technology ignorant if she created a fake profile and gave herself a review? Nope.
          *Unprecedented? Nope! Not even close! Countless pull the same crap.
          *She turned the blame on to PS and said everything was fabricated.
          *She was given multiple opportunities to come clean, yet she continues to lie.

          • Christopher C.

            1. …and got caught. We know that.
            2. If she were technically capable she wouldn’t be relying on sites like blogspot. And any idiot gomer with a keyboard can write reviews. Look at the iTunes App Store for proof of that.
            3. I’ve NEVER seen anyone apologize and own up to getting caught on PS like what’s been done here and if it’s ever happened before it’s rare. Certainly not “countless.”
            4. People who go to great lengths to do bad things tend to deny it when they initially get caught. It’s bullshit, but it happens. What matters is the end result, not how it got there. If we can get her to retract her accusations and own up to those on top of the photo thefts, then the resolution will be that much better. Being antagonistic is not how you accomplish that.
            5. I’m not really seeing any evidence of “continues to lie” beyond not posting apologies more publicly, such as on Facebook. I do think that needs to happen, but you’re stretching the situation.

            EVEN IF she’s still full of shit and acting badly, you’re still treating a possible genuine apology with disdain and nastiness. If a future photo thief happens to read through this community after being outed and sees that EVERYONE is treated like shit, even those who are trying to fess up and make things right, that will make them not have any interest whatsoever in approaching this community with the remorse and acceptance we’re supposed to expect.

          • Lindsay11

            3. Maybe you need to read more. There are plenty of people who played the fake apology card while continuing to steal to get us off their backs. She is NOT the victim here and you do not need to white knight for her.

            5. Maybe you need to read the page more before commenting. She
            continued to keep stolen things up until they were pointed out to her. If she was truly sorry we wouldn’t have to have SHOWN her where she had stolen things.

            I hope that a future photo thief will see that Renee continued to lie and hide things after her apology. She only removed stolen words and images after they were pointed out to her specifically and with a link to said page. She was also told way before this came to Photo Stealers that she needed to stop stealing and she ignored it.

            I know for a fact that Corey has removed at least one post from Photo Stealers when someone has apologized and it was an actual apology. Maybe you need to read more.

          • Christopher C.

            I like how you repeat the same “maybe you need to read more” over and over, despite the fact that I’ve read every comment in this thread AND you’ve very obviously not completely read what I had to say. So many people here are so invested in witch-hunting, anyone who tries to offer even the slightest bit of reason and level-headedness in the same context is branded a “white knight” or outright encouraged to leave.

            PhotoStealers is a commendable website and Corey is doing excellent work, but it’s a shame that so many people here in the comments are outright bullies who so greatly thrive on conflict, they will go out of their way to create it where it doesn’t exist – whether it’s with the photo thieves themselves or with fellow community members. It really tears down the work PS is doing and continues to make this community look awful rather than helpful.

            “Maybe you need to read more.”

          • U Really That Dumb?

            You are deflecting and not answering the bullet points. Evidence you failed to read everything.

          • Christopher C.

            I’ve answered every one of them previously so “maybe you need to read more.” But if you insist, I’ll address them with quotes from my previous post.

            3. “There are plenty of people who played the fake apology card while continuing to steal to get us off their backs.”
            “I’ve NEVER seen anyone apologize and own up to getting caught on PS [to the degree of] what’s been done here and if it’s ever happened before it’s rare.” (I replaced the word “like” because obviously that wasn’t clear enough.)

            5. “She continued to keep stolen things up until they were pointed out to her. If she was truly sorry we wouldn’t have to have SHOWN her where she had stolen things.”
            “Yes she should erase everything and start fresh, but it could be
            technological ignorance combined with the desire to preserve templates or layouts or whatever that’s keeping the stolen stuff online.”

            No deflection, just no need to rehash the same words over and over.

          • Lindsay11

            C’mon guy, you really are showing that you haven’t read everything. She said she had removed everything at 8pm Monday night. She didn’t. We proved she didn’t. She still had stolen images/plagiarism up a few hours ago.

            “After the seemingly genuine apology here and to other photographers, I think it’s worth easing up a bit and not immediately jumping in the idea that she’s “still actively stealing.”

            Except, you know what, she was still actively stealing. So again I say, you need to read everything.

            “Yes she should erase everything and start fresh, but it could be
            technological ignorance combined with the desire to preserve templates
            or layouts or whatever that’s keeping the stolen stuff online.”

            C’mon, really? Someone who was able to steal should be able to know how to remove. Why on earth are you giving her any credit?

            Honestly, I know you want stealers to stop. But all you ever do here is criticize the way people here try to stop stealers. I’m pretty sure this has been pointed out to you before but: MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE SITE FOR YOU?

            If you really want to stop stealers why don’t you help research and point out theft and lies? Jumping in at the last minute to tell people how they are doing it all wrong just isn’t productive. Maybe investagoogle the stealers and see what they are up to instead of just policing the board when you don’t even have all the information?

          • You can’t fix stupid

            What she said ^^ by not removing the images she is still stealing. That I agree with 1 million %

          • Christopher C.

            “MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE SITE FOR YOU?”

            If your first and repeated reaction to someone who disagrees with methods here is to (once again) encourage them to leave rather than consider the logic behind the disagreement, then I’d argue that maybe you might not want to be here – or on the internet in general, really. I’ve not been a bully, I’ve been perfectly civil in my discussion, offering reason and explanation behind all of my points. You on the other hand, you respond with accusations of not reading everything, insults (“white knight”), and now you’re breaking out the caps lock in your comments because you’re so stressed that someone has a different point of view.

            This is kind of indicative of what I’ve been saying.

            “If you really want to stop stealers why don’t you help research and point out theft and lies?”

            I’ve posted my share of comments against previous photo thieves in
            previous posts, and pointed out plenty of broken points on their part. There are lots. However if you’re talking about the witch-hunting that goes on as part of the comments here on PS, I have absolutely no interest in contributing to that.

            As for other thefts and investigating photo theft, I recommend you ask Corey how many sites I’ve submitted to PS.

          • Lindsay11

            Sigh. Actually, my first and repeated response to you is to basically beg you to read up and know what you are talking about.

            You seem unhappy here. I’m merely suggesting this might not be the place for you.

            I “accuse” you of not reading everything because the way you are posting shows that you haven’t. It’s not really an accusation.

            No, I’m asking why you don’t look up stealers and contribute to the research. You like to lecture people. Fine. Why don’t you stick to lecturing the stealers instead of the people that actually put in the work to prove that the stealers are stealing? I just can’t wrap my head around why you like to jump into threads to derail the discussion. Maybe you like the attention, I don’t know. But I’d like to keep the attention on the stealers.

          • Christopher C.

            Eh, I’ve tried contributing to research albeit in small doses here and there. The last effort I made fell on deaf ears. Maybe because it was a drama-free link correction and didn’t have the juiciness that gets people’s hearts racing and keyboards banging. (Kristen Hunt Photography, if you’re interested. My comment is still there, and the erroneous link I pointed out is also still there.)

            I like to work on exposing new thefts and offering that content when I have the time to do so. I’ve also donated money to PS. I don’t think I should be judged negatively by the fact that I don’t offer contributions in the way that any one individual thinks is necessary. *shrug*

          • Lindsay11

            I’m not sure which comment you are referring to? This one? http://stopstealingphotos.com/kristen-hunt-photography-ottawa-ontario/#comment-1544013507 If so then yes, good addition, I’m sorry you were ignored, but I’m not sure what you wanted people to say? There isn’t much to add to that. If I have the incorrect comment then I apologize.

            Corey (and several of the commenters!) have been doing this for years. Corey has no problem stepping in and correcting people when they overstep. Yet I’ve never seen her come in and take your side. I don’t mean this as a calling out of Corey, but that should say something to you. I think her main thing is not to sit here and argue with each other (which is always what we seem to do when you come around to police the threads).

            I’m trying to see it from your side. You think people are being bullies. I get that. Try to see it from our side. We know she is lying and we know she is trying to get away with doing as little work as possible to make this go away. Yes, some people get frustrated! If you knew that a local photographer group had alerted her to the fact that what she doing was not OK weeks ago yet she still continued to lie and try to blame others and covers up that fact, wouldn’t you be frustrated and a little angry? If you knew she blamed Corey for “faking screenshots” and she swore she never ever stole wouldn’t you be frustrated? If she claimed she had taken everything down 20 hours before and you had proof she didn’t, wouldn’t you be frustrated?

            Look, I get what you’re saying. I really do. But I’m not sure you see how you are coming across. The people who have been doing this for years are like a… a jazz ensemble. And then you come in like… heavy metal music. (Honestly, I dunno, I’m not really good at metaphors I guess! :)) You come in at the last minute and yell at people that they are doing it all wrong. It takes all the focus off the stealer and on to you. Maybe that is what you want but honestly, I don’t think so. I think you want the stealing to stop as much as we all do.

            So no, I don’t really want you to go away. It just seems like you are not happy here? I don’t know what else to say to make you understand Christopher, and I need to leave for the night soon. So if you’d like to reply I will do my best to respond but it might not be till the morning.

          • Photo Stealers

            I’m busy drinking wine, carry on.

          • peaceetc

            I don’t drink, but I’m feeling the need to have me some of that. Can you pass the bottle?

          • Lindsay11
          • Christopher C.

            I also wholly appreciate your point of view and I thank you (genuinely) for this post. It’s reasoned, well thought and expressed, and exactly the kind of discussion I really love seeing in any community in which I participate. Thank you.

            I totally understand the frustration, and I can absolutely appreciate the shitty feelings that come with seeing a thief blatantly hijack another photographer’s hard work and claim it as their own. As a (very amateur) photographer myself, I would be tremendously upset if someone stole my work.

            Here’s what I see from PS:

            1. Lots and lots of hard work by dedicated individuals (yourself included) who research every nook and cranny to try and cover all the bases in exposing the fraud committed by these individuals. This is a good thing.

            2. Strong resistance by the community to thieves who respond to being called out with lies, vitriol against PS and its membership, and complete disregard for their actions. This is also a good thing.

            3. Out of bounds actions by some members taking things a little too far. Contacting employers to try and verify non-photographic employment, private messaging with outed thieves potentially to the level of harassment, etc. These are bad things.

            4. A lack of compassion or empathy. Mind you I understand fully and agree that what these people did is awful, but what I saw in this instance is a (seemingly) genuine apology and remorse, along with active dismantling of the violated materials. We all agree that a more prompt and wider-reaching takedown is warranted and necessary, but I think people aren’t remembering or acknowledging that the content IS being removed, even if it’s taking us pointing out the material for it to happen in some cases. We aren’t being ignored and the noted content isn’t staying online with a “GFY” attitude, so there’s something to be said for that, even if it’s just a little.

            5. Misplaced frustration. Like I said, I understand that stealing photos is a crappy thing to do and the people who do it are a bit scummy (read through my comment history and you’ll see my opinions in this regard), but the people who have the right to be the most frustrated are the photographers who have had their work stolen. Many people here get so worked up over these posts, and their passion for photography combined with the growing frustration of discovering every aspect of the theft tends to push people in the wrong direction and it makes it difficult to approach these situations objectively. But at the end of the day most of us here haven’t been personally wronged, aside from the damage to the industry as a whole. But that’s why PS exists in the first place.

            I’m just endorsing a little more level temperament in the discussion here, a little more optimism, and a little more empathy. If a thief comes in here and acts like a shitheel straight off the bat and starts trashing everyone, then I think we have every right to be angry with them and offer no leeway at all. But if someone ends up acting humble and apologetic and does show signs of trying to move in the right direction, I think the tone should shift to encourage that – even if the resolution isn’t happening at the speed we’d like to see.

            I may come across as having strong opinions, but that’s because I HAVE strong opinions. 🙂 But I don’t think it’s fair to say I’ve been “yelling” at anyone. I’d just like people to see that there’s another point of view here, and maybe there’s some logic to it. It just seems that so much of the discussion here is rooted in conflict, and I think that’s counter productive.

            But I do genuinely thank you again for that last post. That’s the level of discussion I appreciate and respond to.

          • Lindsay11

            Just quickly I want to say that you and I both agree strongly on #3. I’ve been known to call out people here for comments about stealers looks, for example. I’ve even been known to say that calling stealers on the phone is way out of line. Yes, we agree there.

            I’m sorry I don’t have time to give you a full response, but it’s dinner time. This isn’t an “omg you have no life” post like some of our stealers post, it’s just a “I need to take a break for real life and you deserve a response that has my full attention and you are not being ignored” post. I will reply more fully in the morning. I wish you a good night. 🙂

          • Christopher C.

            No worries, I understand completely. It’s way past my dinner time and I’m deciding if I want to surprise my girlfriend tonight with a visit, which is why I’ve had the time to come back to PS. (I’ve been at DragonCon for the past week, which is why I’ve been offline for such a big gap.)

            A good night to you as well.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            @disqus_lQKMGYfopO:disqus,

            Any investigator, prosecutor, defense attorney, etc. that fails to do their due diligence when it comes to an investigation is subject to sanctions, disbarment, or worse. Why should anyone stop at an arbitrary threshold set by you (or anyone else) when it comes to legally finding out what a stealer has done. Especially using public records. What you or anyone else considers ‘just’ is an an opinion and not the law. If someone here crosses the legal line, then it is on them, but as of yet, I have not seen that happen.

            As for the incident I believe you are referencing, and directing at me, you do not know what happened and can only assume. You also don’t know what’s legal in my jurisdiction compared to yours. The prime example would be One party v. two party consent to record laws.

            Compassion and empathy: 1) you’re reading a text and not hearing words; 2) you are obviously (I say that because you didn’t know that she lied after her apology and being called out directly) not reading everything in the order it occurred. I get that! It’s a pain in the ars to try and figure it out chronologically. Look at her apology and see how many people praised her. We all hoped it would be the end. Unfortunately no, she went down the same road many others do. As for how long do we wait? ZERO SECONDS if she continues to lie. Harsh? Hell no! No prosecutor, cop, judge, would and neither would a parent! She was given a third chance (third because she had already proven herself as a thief and again when she accused PS).

            As for your comments, think about it before you come in and post. If you haven’t been in the thread from the beginning, check with someone that has, find out the chronology of the case, and don’t just assume you know what’s best or what has or hasn’t happened. As I said, multiple people, over multiple stealers have complained about your attitude and superiority complex on your first posts on a thread when it’s been going on for a while.

            Again, you don’t know the entire story, so perhaps stepping back, reading everything in chronological order, and seeing who it is that’s saying what, you know who the regulars are that know what’s going on, before you say anything.

          • Lindsay11

            I’ve promised you a reply this morning but honestly? I have no idea what to say that hasn’t already been said.

            I will add that Renee has put up more stolen material since yesterday. So yes, she is still actively stealing. That sorta makes all of this moot. I’m exhausted with the arguing and I’m sure Corey and the mods are too. I’m going to concentrate on our stealers now. http://stopstealingphotos.com/ella-bella-photography-las-vegas-nv/#comment-1573530949

          • Just a Girl

            Interesting the way this “discussion” turned around. I think its a lesson in how text can be misunderstood cause there’s no real tone to it.

            Anyway… I just want to point something out… I’m using your whole point even though I’m only addressing the end of it
            “3. Out of bounds actions by some members taking things a little too far.
            Contacting employers to try and verify non-photographic employment,
            private messaging with outed thieves potentially to the level of
            harassment, etc. These are bad things.”

            There is NO proof that any regular poster on this blog has “private messaging with outed thieves potentially to the level of
            harassment, etc” The link to this Blog is posted in multiple places… there is just no way to know who is doing the actual harassing without someone literally saying its them. I would hope no one here is – if for no other reason then respect for Corey and what shes doing.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Emphasis on REGULAR! There are people that come here for the first time, or ‘pop in’ randomly, but no regular.

          • peaceetc

            That’s right. We here of vague reports of people contacting others privately, but there is rarely, if ever, any evidence of that actually happening. And if it does, I would find it very unlikely that any of the regular commenters here would do it. I think we all know what we do reflects back on Photo Stealers.

            If people do take it upon themselves to harass others, it’s because this is a public forum and anyone can see what’s going on and respond how they chose. We actively discourage that behavior, but we can’t control what people chose to do on their own. I think it’s unreasonable to expect Corey or anyone to be able to control things on that level. I don’t know if that’s what Christopher is suggesting, but I wanted to make that point clear, just the same.

          • peaceetc

            Christopher, I’m far more interested in the truth. We may make jokes and get a bit silly, but at the heart of everything, we want to hold people responsible for their actions — and that is based on truth, accuracy, and with evidence to back it up. If something was overlooked, that happens. There are far too many stealers and not enough time. But that doesn’t mean we don’t care if it isn’t exciting. This isn’t TMZ.

          • Lindsay11

            Please show me someone (BESIDES YOU) creating conflict where it doesn’t exist. Honestly, you tend to show up every so often to criticize what people are doing here without even having all information at hand.
            I repeated you need to read more because you obviously do. You don’t have all the facts and you criticize the people that do. This is confusing to me.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            1) AFTER she apologized. End of story.
            2) She had already started taking down content the night before. She KNOWS what’s hers and what’s not.
            3) Sorry you haven’t been paying attention. Yes countless. No, I am not going to waste my time pointing it out for you, that’s on you.
            4) Agreed. Now see #1 again.
            5) READ EVERYTHING before you comment. See #1

          • doncalifornia

            “I’ve NEVER seen anyone apologize and own up to getting caught on PS like
            what’s been done here and if it’s ever happened before it’s rare.”

            I specifically saw at least one stealer who, without a single denial or excuse, came on, admitted, apologized, promised never to do it again, and expressed true remorse and shame, and took everything down, immediately and completely. Her story was removed from Photostealers. I have heard there were others like this but I don’t know. I do know I saw this one particularly play out like that.

            Renee’s apology, however, came after she ignored and lied, after she claimed Corey had made everything up and concocted documents in order to unfairly frame her. The apology she made here did indeed appear genuine, but it was mixed with untrue statements, such as the claim that when she first learned of getting caught she took everything down within two hours. Facts later came to light that during that time she was busy trying to claim to certain people that she was being railroaded and that the evidence against her was fabricated. She also left a number of items up for about a full day. Perhaps it was an oversight. However, she is loath to actually remove everything. She is trying to carry on without the general public knowing it ever happened. And particularly she doesn’t want her husband or others close to her to know anything about this. This is why her apology appears not to be a heartfelt admission, but rather an attempt to keep the whole thing below a simmer, to control it. Now, taken on its own all of this behavior isn’t outrageously awful. But the context must be considered. She willfully stole. She plagiarized. She created fake profiles on Yelp and wrote glowing but utterly false reviews.

            Now her behavior, with the original bed of misdeeds it is set upon, looks more like what it is: deceitful and deflecting.

            I wanted her apology to be a great start to a full cleansing and a healthy rehab. But I am afraid we are witnessing a crash on takeoff.

          • Marc W.

            “*She turned the blame on to PS and said everything was fabricated.”

            THIS is what gets under my skin.

        • You can’t fix stupid

          My problem with this is that she apologized here. This isn’t where her clients are, this isn’t where her future clients are, this isn’t where she lied and advertised. An apology here is just part of it. She needs to post it on her blog, her FB page and other sites where she advertised. That is taking the right step and doing the right thing.

          • Christopher C.

            I wholly and completely agree with you on that point. But an apology here is a great first step, and shouldn’t be discouraged.

          • You can’t fix stupid

            And everybody did. we were all happy, but then she didn’t remove everything. Why should we (and I mean the posters here) point out to her what images are still stolen? She should have removed ALL the images immediately , shut down everything, if she didn’t know. You know what images you took and which ones you stole. I was so happy when I saw her apology, but then she didn’t answer questions that people had, she didn’t remove work, yes an apology is the first step but how long was she going to take to remove the work?
            As posted some where it was 17 hours since we found out and she still had work up that was stolen.
            She needs to make a public apology on her blog and FB to the people she lied to, her clients that she lied to.
            Like I said I was happy with the apology when I read it but I was not happy with what happened next, not removing images and not answering peoples questions.

          • Christopher C.

            “She should have removed ALL the images immediately, shut down everything, if she didn’t know.”

            Again, I agree with you. But we can’t know WHY the whole thing wasn’t shut down straight away. Assuming malice when ignorance can just as easily be the culprit is irresponsible. I’m just saying equal weight needs to be given to both possibilities. It’s part of being a responsible member of a community.

            “She needs to make a public apology on her blog and FB to the people she lied to, her clients that she lied to.”

            Once again, we are in complete agreement on this point.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            She was specifically asked multiple times if there was anything else on any of her pages that wasn’t hers. She said everything is down. It wasn’t. She didn’t take anything else down until it was pointed out to her last night and again today. So yeh, a totally fake apology!

          • You can’t fix stupid

            So it took her 4 days – from Monday to Thursday and that was with help from the people here? That I have a huge problem with.

          • You can’t fix stupid

            How long does it take to delete images off G+ and a blog? I have the same blog as hers and it takes about 5 seconds. I haven’t removed anything off G+ so that I don’t know. Come on, if you stole something wouldn’t you want to remove all traces of it when you got caught? Like you said, we don’t know why. 🙂

          • Christopher C.

            I tend to prefer Facebook over G+, but I do remember a few months ago when I discovered that Google automatically applied some god awful “auto enhance” to every photo I’ve ever uploaded, I went back through to delete everything. Took me a few days to sort through to find the photos among the posts, so I know it can take a while.

            Maybe I’m an idiot, but as a 14+ year network security professional I’d like to think I know my way around a computer machine by now. 😉

          • U Really That Dumb?

            G+ takes seconds at best.

          • Marc W.

            I don’t think that she/they need to take EVERYTHING down, but really, go through every post and when you don’t remember taking that photo… REMOVE IT. Unless they are delusional and think they actually took those photos. This is entirely possible.

          • You can’t fix stupid

            Just to add, you posted that we dont’ know why she didn’t shut everything down. I remembered that saying : don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
            She knew she was stealing and she knew it was wrong and she has to fess up regardless of what her circumstances are.
            Part of the time is shutting everything down and starting over and coming clean with everything to everybody she has had contact with.

          • Christopher C.

            You’ve been posting points I completely agree with, and this is just another one. 🙂

            She hasn’t shut everything down. We don’t know why. She SHOULD shut everything down and delete everything and start over. The fact that she hasn’t IS of course a bad thing, but it JUST MIGHT be because of something not malicious or devious in nature. That possibility needs to be given credit.

            So yes, to reiterate: Renee if you’re reading this, nuke your sites from orbit and start over. If you can’t save your site templates while removing ALL of the stolen material regardless of whether anyone on PS has seen it or not, then you need to remove everything all at once and begin fresh. If you don’t do this, THEN people will have reason to believe you’re ignoring them and that’s not good for you.

            I’m trying to give you a chance here. Don’t prove me wrong. Do the right thing.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            @disqus_lQKMGYfopO:disqus The problem with your change in attitude is that you’ve already done the damage to your reputation and proven you are all about fighting with the people doing the actual leg work once Corey is done. Yes, multiple people, over multiple stealers complain about your attitude. Think about that before coming back here or comment again.

          • Christopher C.

            I’ve not had any change in attitude. My opinions have been very consistent.

            “Maybe you should read more.”

            I am not looking for any fights whatsoever. That’s a pretty antagonistic (and baseless) thing to say. Kind of proves my point.

          • captain-confuzzled

            hard to understand why you don’t understand the tone of comments as this thread unfolded. You seem to jump in at a random point and take offense.

            For this situation, think of it like this. Someone has been stealing your silver for months or years, they come back, confess and return the silver (at least you think it is all of it), and while you generously accept the return of the silver and the apology, even though you know that they were probably also stealing from your neighbors – you want to give them the benefit of the doubt – but then you notice that the thief is quietly putting yet another silver fork in their pocket.

          • Christopher C.

            Well for that analogy to stand, she’d have to be adding more stolen photos to the site. THAT would be the equivalent of putting the fork in a pocket, or as was put in another comment, “actively stealing.”

            This is not “actively stealing.” This more akin to them coming back to your house, admitting that they stole your silver, and then starting to empty their pockets – and then get accused of withholding silver because they plan on keeping it, just because they haven’t gotten to their back pockets yet.

            Maybe they’re planning to keep it and continue being dishonest (which would of course be awful and shitty), or maybe, JUST MAYBE, for whatever reason they just haven’t gotten there yet.

            I think it’s worth being just a tad more patient to see which is the case, rather than trying to be Comment Hero. Like I said, the PS post isn’t going away. If the stolen photos remain, it won’t be that hard to call it back out.

          • captain-confuzzled

            I accept your correction and put that way, it all comes down to how patient people should be. That is certainly something that people are going to have differing opinions on, and it’ll probably be based on how many times they’ve had their silver or other things stolen. Seems like one of those things where everyone is entitled to their opinion and feelings and changing anyone’s mind isn’t even relevant, nor is it needed. And I personally don’t really see any particular end value in making it easier for stealers to apologize here. If they do, great, if they don’t, what else is new. It doesn’t change the facts of the story. How they handle it and take action is what really matters.

          • Melinda Potter

            How is this any different than what other posters are saying and pointing out here? So your theory/speculation is that she is ignorant, technically challenged, and is trying to save her templets. Other people here might be speculating that she is like so many other thieves and thinks “I’ll just take down what they found not to be my own content, instead of taking ALL the content I took from others down. Maybe they won’t notice”. Why? I can only speculate, that the drive to make money and garner further business is more important than honesty, integrity, or attempting to do the right thing.
            I personally could go either way on this. I mean we are talking about a person that has a new found interest in photography that jumped right into “I think I’ll try to make money at this” instead of taking the time to at least learn the basics of business and/or photography first. Someone that instead of putting the work in, decided to set up with content she found and liked that other péople created. Silly, ignorant, lazy, etc we all can only speculate as to why. Why? Because we have never been in her shoes. Never considered using other people’s work in an attempt to try to get people to pay us for photography services, or made up reviews for ourselves to try to promote ourselves. instead we actually set out to learn how to capture light and convey with our cameras, and most likely going into business or selling our work was a secondary thought after we started to see our photography improve.
            We can speculate as to why all day, and still never be certain, but we can all agree that pointing out that she still has stolen content up isn’t bullying I would think.

        • Lindsay11

          “publicly” here on PS where generally only people who are looking for it will find it.

          “unprecedented” except it’s happened plenty of times.

          “without external blame” except for the reviews being posted to her page (which she removed super quick, before most of them were even screencapped), except for the local photographer groups who asked her to stop, except for the local photographers who asked her to stop, except for the local photographers that had a text conversation with her where she blamed Corey for fixing up fake screen shots. Yeah, besides all that she totally came here on her own to apologize!

          “arbitrary time table for resolution” OMG you mean we expect the stealers not to lie and to remove everything they have stolen? We are beasts from hell!

        • U Really That Dumb?

          Her apology was complete bull shit!

  • Lindsay11

    Renee, did you ever want to explain why you tried to say Corey was framing you and making up screenshots? A lot of us are truly interested in the answer to this question and we know you are reading here. Do you have an answer? I also noticed you are cleaning up your websites and fixing the typos we pointed out. Glad to see that, keep it up!

    • Lindsay11

      Hi Renee, I see you are still working on things on your page. However you still have quite a bit of plagiarism up there. At this point I’m not sure if me telling you where it is is a good idea or not. Can you find it? It’s the words that you yourself didn’t write.

      http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/rhpsf.gif

      • Marc W.

        It’s a new game. Can the photographer find the stuff they stole (photos and words) on their own website.

        • Lindsay11

          I spy with my little eye…

        • doncalifornia

          I just don’t understand, when a stealer apologizes and says they are taking down everything everything everything but oh wait yes you’re right that one’s not mine either I’ll take it down when I get back from my daughter’s gym class tomorrow oh and yeah the text oh sorry I thought I wrote all that from my brain but yeah I suppose I might have lifted some of that but see um ya know I don’t remember which parts… etc… etc… etc. Renee! Everyone here has suggested, over and over, JUST REMOVE *EVERYTHING*… Then, just put back up only those images which are, of course, yours. Then just re-write all the text. You’ll know it’s all yours. Done. It’s not hard.

    • Christopher C.

      I would be interested in seeing her response to this as well.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      And why can only member of your blog post comments? The apology needs to be public – you have to let people know

  • peaceetc

    Hey, Renee — we shouldn’t have to find all the stolen stuff. You should know what is yours and what isn’t. That includes both photos and words. I would strongly suggest taking everything down until you can fix all of it. The longer you have it up, the more firepower those who might choose to sue you for copyright infringement will have. The longer you wait, the worse it will be for you.

    • peaceetc

      Oh, and don’t forget the public apologies — on your site, on your FB page, wherever you had stolen images. Yes, people you actually know will find out. That’s the point. You owe it to everyone to be honest, and you’ve been lying to them. Fix it.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Won’t happen…
        As said below “I can’t do a public apology because the people I know IRL are going to find out and I don’t want my husband to get mad at me!”

        • peaceetc

          Maybe not, but at least I can say I tried.

  • Just a Girl

    Is anyone else getting a weird view of her blog? Some of the photos are gone with a placeholder and some are still there. What doesn’t make sense is- if I am remembering it correctly- the photos that are gone have the same people in them as the ones left up. This is just an example of what I’m seeing…even after refreshing.

    • captain-confuzzled

      I’m seeing what you are I think. About 75% placeholders

      • Just a Girl

        Yeah! I am almost certain that the pictures remaining have the same people in them as the ones removed. WHY do that?

    • You can’t fix stupid

      I sere it as it was this morning. Nothing has changed. Might have been a glitch.

    • Jason R Berg

      Everything is gone for me. You’d have thought that at least a couple of the photos were her own. I guess not.

    • Lindsay11

      I’m getting a weird view too. I notice some old (or new and backdated, but I think it’s more likely she opened up her old blog to put more content up) posts have been added. Why talk about your sick kid on your professional business page? Also, she’s added more plagiarism. Renee, just stop. Your best bet is to scrub this site, shut it down and start all over.

      We all know the best way to be a Mommy Blogger is to steal blog material from other moms, right? http://www.mommyshorts.com/2013/01/my-coughing-sneezing-three-year-old-tyrant.html

      *attachment*

  • BullShite

    I want to know why it is so hard to delete ALL of the stolen and plagiarized material off of ALL of the sites if one expects to be forgiven, if not just ALL of the SITES.

    I was all excited that this would be one of those (and yes, there was more than one) person that apologized, and we all moved on and it didn’t happen again, and everything was just dandy.

    So far: NOPE.

    • Lindsay11

      Funny how it is so hard for her to not ADD more stolen stuff. She knows we are watching her web site, so I’m starting to think she’s just taunting us.

      I had hoped for a real apology as well. Those are nice.

      • BullShite

        People can feel free to buy her apology, and her line about being “harassed”.
        I don’t not one little bit. I don’t like having my intelligence insulted.

        • doncalifornia

          My BS meter always goes up whenever a stealer starts to say they’ve received harassing phone calls. That one I just can’t bring myself to believe. I can understand if they FEEL (incorrectly) that all the attention they are getting is harassment… I can even get that the FEEL (incorrectly) that emails and private messages about their situation, even nice ones, are harassment… but with that said, saying you are getting death threats or harassment on the phone, sounds more like fabrication and not misunderstanding. This can only be to garner sympathy to get the whole episode to go away. Some people like T Blau take it to the level of fake suicide threats. Some people keep it to the level of giving a heartfelt apology that is as fake as their own websites, and moving along.

      • The entire apology was a facade and I fell for it hook line and sinker 🙁

        • Lindsay11

          I never thought I’d say this but: You’re just too nice, Joseph! 😉

  • Lindsay11

    Here she’s plagiarized the Travel Channel. On a post about shopping. She obviously loves shopping so why couldn’t she use her own words? She has added all this since yesterday. She has to know she didn’t write this. Why on earth would she add it? Could it be her apology really wasn’t sincere and she was mostly just sorry she got caught? http://www.travelchannel.com/destinations/las-vegas/articles/the-best-of-vegas-shopping

    This is the last post I’m going to add the screenshot and link to. I don’t need to do Renee’s work for her, but since there is a discussion about whether she really was sorry and she isn’t stealing anymore I figured I ought to show proof that she is.

    • well I am now hoping she gets sued, she deserves all she gets.

    • Lindsay11

      I’ve found another blog post you stole Renee. I’ll give you a hint, it’s about hair.

      Honestly, you are really lucky you were never discovered by GOMI. If they saw all this plagiarism they would eat you alive. You think we’re rough? HAH!

      Then again, maybe you were discovered and this is why you stopped blogging?

      Corey, I have screenshots of all the stolen blogs I’ve found if you need them when she reads this and deletes.

    • doncalifornia

      But it’s dated January 2014. She wouldn’t have added it this week, right? Suppose it has been there all year and it only became more visible because she is deleting other posts? But even so, it’s plagiarism and she is still refusing to simply delete the whole kit&kaboodle and start over. Renee, honestly, whassup??

      • Marc W.

        At least with WordPress, you can back date it. But either way. She’s a big liar.

      • Lindsay11

        I’m fairly certain someone would have noticed it before today. If it had been there the entire time SOMEONE in the cult would have noticed it. I am pretty sure I went through all the pages several times previously. I could be wrong though!

        • doncalifornia

          Oh, yes, forgot you can backdate on blogspot. OK, SO: she’s adding plagiarized content quickly and desperately in order to fill out a blog she is stripping bare because she’s been outed as a photostealer, so to those who know her, the blog is the same as always and there is nothing funny going on, and they’ll never suspect this whole getting-outed-as-a-photostealer thing ever happened. What, she can’t just type up a crapload of posts all by herself? Seriously?

        • Photo Stealers

          I did see it yesterday but ignored it because it was Mommy blogger shit.

          • Lindsay11

            LOL well I went looking for it BECAUSE it was Mommy blogger shit. I thought if it was interesting GOMI might want a crack at it. It is not.

            Even the stuff she steals is boring!

        • You can’t fix stupid

          You can back date that blog. I use the same page and I know I can change dates so I am so sure she can too.

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Renee,
    IF you’re having problems with your blog and getting everything removed, how about you ask your husband? I’m sure he can help you with the computer problems.

  • “Conservative Bloggers Beware!!!

    If you think it can’t happen to you, think again.

    In August 2014 I started blogging on KFYI in Phoenix, along with
    My Facebook page, a twitter page, on Fox News & CNN

    Criticizing the left wing of the Democratic Party
    calling them the Uneducated Liberal Progressive Democratic Party.

    Since then I have been ripped apart by these bloggers for the left.

    I had a Photography business in Kansas City, before I moved to Phoenix
    just this last July, and a website to go along with it.
    These bloggers on the site where you clicked on this site from
    are the same ones that were on the twitter pages, and Facebook pages that I blogged from. They are now blogging on this website about me.

    HOW IRONIC

    Now someone has hacked my website, Facebook, Twitter, other blogs I was on, with very nasty things, changing pictures to fit their agenda.

    Their agenda is to shut the mouths of Conservatives, we will
    never be silent.

    So except for this webpage I shut down everything.

    They have imported images that are not my post, they changed images and put logos that were not mine on images. Then they said I stole the images that they put on my sites, pretty good trick, that is just how hackers work, so it makes them powerful.

    This is common for the people that can hack websites to do
    so it makes them look more powerful, and tries to destroy others.

    As I said I just moved to Phoenix, was not advertising on any major sites only on craigslist, I have not even been doing Wedding Photography since
    I have been in Phoenix, I was trying to start back up after a miserable winter in Kansas City. So Now I am shut down for good and will no longer allow them to attack anything that I have.

    Just remember

    THE LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
    WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO TAKE YOU DOWN.

    EVEN IF IT KILLS YOU.

    Just remember guys…what you sow you will reap.

    The Conservatives are on the Rise!
    And even this group can’t stop them.

    Just so you know, I don’t have any money you can get,
    and you can’t attach my Social Security so good luck.

    I am now Poor because of your leader

    Barack Obama”
    Brian Lawiss

  • Marc W.

    @Renee, When did you move from Maryland to Vegas?

  • Photo Stealers

    Updated with lots more stolen images. Sorry, don’t buy her “sorry”.

    • BullShite

      Maybe someone aught to just send the husband an anonymous tip about this. It seems she just can’t control herself with this thievery.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Perhaps working with computers all day he has a Google Alert set for ReneeBratton, Justin Bratton, and Jbrizzle44.

        • Here we go again…

          Nothing say I trust you honey more than a joint facebook account. 🙂 https://m.facebook.com/renee.justin.bratton?_rdr

          • BullShite

            Looks like that is gone!

          • Lindsay11

            I see it!

          • Lindsay11

            I thought I had put up a screenshot, sorry!

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Page not found

          • You can’t fix stupid

            You must be blocked as I can see it

          • You can’t fix stupid

            **attachment**

          • You can’t fix stupid

            I see it too.

          • Here we go again…

            I still see it.

    • Lindsay11

      Gosh, it’s almost like she was lying about that apology to get us off her back. It’s a good thing we all backed off and left her alone once she “apologized”. Oh, wait…

      • Marc W.

        Where’s @disqus_Pszm4sUPlM:disqus since he has communication with her. I’m curious if they are still buddies.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          Crickets

        • U Really That Dumb?

          I wonder if he knows she is on vacation right now.

      • Helena

        This is why I didn’t congratulate her on her fauxpology. There’s always more.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      Hubby needs to know about this. I am somehow not really surprised to see more stolen photos that haven’t been taken down.

    • Here we go again…

      Someone might has posted this but there is no registered LLC in Nevada despite her email address.. EllaBellaPhotosLLC@gmail.com. And no other companies with her as the officer.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        I KNOW! Shocking isn’t it! This must be a first here on Photo Stealers!

        • Here we go again…

          Lol

    • Lindsay11

      I can see your update now yay!

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Renee,
    How is your vacation? Relaxing? Thinking about stealing pictures? Thinking you are off the hook?
    Why don’t you get some nice Sourdough bread and a cup of chowder and hang out watching the sea lions! I’m sure they don’t know you are a photo thief!

    • U Really That Dumb?

      When I go on vacation I love getting fresh seafood! How about you?

    • Marc W.

      You know what I really miss. Boudin’s Sour Dough Pizza!

      • captain-confuzzled

        I second that! Almost worth a trip to the city just for that!

        • U Really That Dumb?

          After that you’d probably want to walk up a famous road…

          • Lindsay11

            I hope she brought a sweater or something. To be used to Las Vegas and then being in a big windy city like that? I bet she’s cold.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Hopefully something warm for the baby as well!

          • U Really That Dumb?

            67 right now but the lows will be in the 50’s…

          • Lindsay11

            Whew! It’s 100 in Vegas right now! Side note: it’s not much cooler where I live. Blech.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Do you think you could eat one of those monster loaves all by yourself? Would your partner let you eat it in bed?

        Would you be pissed if she took a picture of you and uploaded it to the cloud?

      • U Really That Dumb?

        You know, I’ve stayed at the same hotel as them. Nice place! It’s only a 5-10 minute walk to the Stinking Rose. Perhaps 15 if you have a kid in tow. Get the Bagna Calda! SO awesome! The little one may not be a big fan, but you could always get her the meatballs.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          Renee,
          Another kid favorite is Pho Hoa! You should SO go check it out!
          http://www.phohoa.com/

          • Lindsay11

            MmmMMm Pho and a good sourdough. Awesome!

      • doncalifornia

        You know what I really miss? I miss that one stealer who came her and apologized profusely, humbly, and sincerely, and then took everything down and disappeared forever. I miss her. I really do.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Renee,
      Did you squeeze the lemon on your vegetables? Did you enjoy your meal?

      • Guest

        You are teetering on crossing the line now. Is there really any other point to your recent comments other than harassment and torment? Stick to the facts of the offense and leave her personal life and child out of it.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          Actually, she brought it. She’s the one posting everything on the same place she’s posting stolen images. People here are just watching her to see what else she steals and when she finally removes everything.

        • We are sticking to the facts

          • Guest

            The facts of the offense of photo theft. Mr Dumb tends to go too far. Just read on another listing where he talks about the persons dead mother. Too far. Then too see he is a moderator? Interesting to see that only a certain few continue to beat dead horses. That says a lot and should be eye opening to the few line crossers here. To preserve integrity and avoid being nothing more than another rant and bash site, learn when enough is enough and respect lines and above all else, leave personal lives and families alone.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Hi Steven
            Why are you hiding behind a guest profile?

          • Christopher C.

            You really need to ease up on your paranoia. I can’t speak for the other person you attempted to call out, but I don’t hide behind false accounts. I say what I say and make no bones that it’s me saying it.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            This coming from the guy that’s a self proclaimed asshole and has gotten slapped multiple times for being an ass? Right!
            Besides, your opinion of my job here means nothing to anyone other than you.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Says it all.

          • That must be a strain on the sphincter.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            When you decide to come out from behind ‘guest’ and use a legit profile people might actually take what you say seriously. Or are you still butt hurt that your attacks got shut down and you got slapped for your actions?

          • Lindsay11

            Dead horse? More like active stealer! Enough is enough? You know, if we had taken your advice yesterday we would never have discovered the MASSIVE amount of theft on her photobucket that she is still adding to. There is still stolen stuff out there, I’m absolutely certain of that fact. But you think we should just let her go with her fake apology and her active stealing?

            HEY EVERYONE, WE NEED TO LAY OFF THIS THIEVING FRAUD BECAUSE GUEST SAYS IT’S OVER!

            Oh, it doesn’t work that way? Oh, OK. Carry on!

          • Not really dead horse when we keep finding more stolen images.

          • BullShite

            Hey “guest”… what Renee doesn’t GET is that it IS a family issue. If she is married, and one of the photographers decides to SUE (which would be a pretty easy, cut and dry case at this point, I would sue personally) HER HUSBAND’S PAYCHECK/TAX RETURN/ ETC WILL GET GARNISHED.

            A lawsuit is a pretty shitty way to let the hubs know you…. er “Renee” is stealing images, EVEN AFTER GETTING CAUGHT.

          • 9 times out of ten the thief brings family/personal matters into it to try and garner sympathy.

            I’ve been sick, How can you do this to a single mother, my mother died … also, everything posted here can be found easily online with just a few clicks of the mouse. It’s not like we have spy cams in their houses.

            “learn when enough is enough”

            Enough is enough when the thief has pulled everything down and keeps it down. Nothing less is satisfactory.

        • doncalifornia

          I think the point to those recent comments is to let Renee know everyone is on to her big secret stash of photobucket files. It’s simply mindnumbing that she would have been saying all week long that she has deleted everything (immediately!) and that nothing else exists. Yet she keeps that one up, with hundreds and hundreds of stolen photos, from all the same photographers to whom she said she apologized, plus others, while she flits away to vacation with the family. Stunning, honestly. Of course there is a point to the most recent comments. I’m wondering if there was a point to her ever coming on here and apologizing in a cynical and fraudulent manner, and then allowing some soft-hearted saints to look like fools defending her impossibly slow actions all week.

        • captain-confuzzled

          OMG, you are right! I have to say that the comment “Why don’t you get some nice Sourdough bread and a cup of chowder..” is just about the most evil thing I’ve ever read. I mean really, such harassment and torment by Mr Dumb (I can’t even write ‘Mr Dumb’ without giggling). How could Mr Dumb say something that downright mean? chowder? only a cup? torture, I tell you, torture! **yes, read sarcasm here**

        • Photo Stealers

          If she tries to claim that this photobucket isn’t hers, these vacation photos kind of nip that excuse in the bud. While they are not stolen, they help further prove that not only does Renee’ still have stolen images out there with her name and business attached but she also still actively uses the photobucket account so she can’t claim “oh I totally forgot that even existed.”

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Considering personal images are mixed in with stolen images, and the stolen ones are subsequently placed in folders, yeh, no, can’t claim she didn’t know or that she doesn’t remember opening the account.

          • Justin Case

            from PhotoBucket TOS:
            “By uploading, you are confirming that the Content is yours—no one
            else’s—and that the uploading and use of your Content does not violate
            the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights,
            intellectual property rights or human rights of somebody else. If we
            learn that you are infringing others’ rights or are using Content that
            is not yours, Photobucket has the right to remove this Content and you
            agree that you are responsible for any costs associated with the
            infringement.”

          • U Really That Dumb?

            I bet she never read that!

        • You can’t fix stupid

          Sorry Guest, but she is still stealing. She is adding family shots with stolen shots. This isn’t harassment this is the truth. It has been 6 days since she was found out and still she has stolen work up. If she was really sorry about it and felt that she had done something wrong, all the work would be down.

          • Lindsay11

            OMFG has it really been almost a week? I thought it was a few days but wow. She has had PLENTY of time to remove stolen stuff.

  • Lindsay11

    So! We’ve discovered Renee likes to steal from @Kelly Klatt http://stopstealingphotos.com/ella-bella-photography-las-vegas-nv/#comment-1571265127 . But don’t worry, a few days ago she said she didn’t have ANY photos of Kelly Klatt’s up on her website! http://stopstealingphotos.com/ella-bella-photography-las-vegas-nv/#comment-1571353868 The sad thing is, Kelly wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt. “Let’s save the bullying for the people that steal and then lie further about it…” How do you feel about that Renee? The photographer you stole from was willing to let you go with a slap on the wrist and you kept stealing from her?

    She also gets “inspiration” from Inspire Me Baby, Michelle Lawson Images of Grace and Angel Gray. She also stole the logo from a similarly named “Ella Bella” company in another state. She absolutely adores Jessica Claire.

    See that Renee? Those are all the people you absolutely need to apologize to.

    What do you think @stephen Joseph and @Christopher.C will have to say to you Renee? Even after several people tried to tell that that you were still stealing and weren’t really sorry they were trying to help you. Do you have an apology for them? Did you laugh while you watched them try to defend you and give you every chance to make things better?

    *attached*

    • Christopher C.

      I don’t feel bad about trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but I’m massively disappointed that she’s proving herself to still be a bad person and continues to act dishonestly and disrespectfully.

      I hope everyone wronged by her seeks legal remedies, because this is atrocious behavior.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        What you’re still failing to admit, or recognize, is that she had blown past multiple chances and was well in to the “fuck you leave me alone” stage. You’re coming in all sanctimonious, and attacking the people calling her out on her bull shit, did nothing but make people realize that you really are, as your profile says, an asshole.
        If that’s what your goal is, then you’ve reached it. But understand this, you will get called out every time.

  • Melinda Potter

    So let me get this straight. She’s now posting vaca photos to a page where there exists albums and albums of stolen images?! Am I right in coming to this conclusion?

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Exactly!

      • Melinda Potter

        Good Grief! I’m with whoever said she was ignorant. Dubious? Taunting? Or is she a complete imbecile when it comes to the internet? I might have to side with the whole stupid defense that was given to her earlier yesterday.
        But then… What part of the word “everything” is so hard to understand?
        My mind is blown.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          The problem is her husband works in computers AND she has specifically placed some of the stolen work in to specific galleries. Throughout she has had personal images mixed in so the excuse that she didn’t know is also out with the bath water.
          So NO stupid isn’t a defense.

        • Justin Case

          ” Or is she a complete imbecile when it comes to the internet?” I’ll take stupidity at 10:1 odds.

    • Hmmm…

      Those are some of the worst vacation photos I’ve ever seen. And I thought she was a pro. I would be embarrassed to post any of them.

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Has anyone notified all of the people that she stole from? Especially the ‘three’ she claimed she apologized to?

    • You can’t fix stupid

      She is still reading this while on vacation as she has cleaned up her Photobucket page. I wonder if hubby has any idea?

      • Lindsay11

        She did? I still see everything. Which is good cause there is so much stolen stuff I was screencapping all day yesterday and I didn’t get a chance to get it all. When she steals she really steals!

        • You can’t fix stupid

          No sorry my mistake, my internet was super slow and not loading it up.

  • Marc W.

    Someone should order one of Kelly’s photo in print from this PB account. That would look good in court.

  • Christopher C.

    I think the title of this post should be edited to include “Renee Bratton” so that people who do searches for her specifically are also exposed to her thievery.

  • Lindsay11

    Seems Renee took a little a break from her vacation. She has removed the photos from her blog that she actually took but leaves up all her plagiarism and stolen photos. This is how it looked yesterday and this is how it looks today. http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1273/3425/original.jpg

    *attached*

    • peaceetc

      This made my brain hurt. Brains can’t hurt, but mine does.

    • It’s funny when the stealers don’t even know what images are theirs..

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Renee,
    Does your husband know that you are posting his and your daughters pictures on the same page as stolen images?

  • Christopher C.

    One of the photographers from later in the update still has their watermark on the stolen photos: http://www.heathergolde.com/

    I’ve contacted Heather with a link to this page as well as a direct link to the PhotoBucket page where her stolen work appears. I’ve also encouraged her to take action against Renee.

    Another one is http://www.angelgrayphotography.com/

    • Lindsay11

      Which photo still has the watermark up? I didn’t go through the wedding photos so I’m guessing it’s in there? She left the watermark for images of grace on quite a few I noticed! Also a Lyn…. something? I think? I need to dig through my 90+ Renee Bratton screencaps. I’m not even kidding, she has stolen so much I have over 90 screencaps of just her stuff and I haven’t even gotten all the Photobucket yet!

      I find this link helpful when an original photographer has more questions than I can answer. Which is a lot! But if you find another photographer or one asks maybe you’d like to share it with them? http://www.photoattorney.com/help-ive-been-infringed/

      *I just checked. 93. I have 93 screencaps of photos and images Renee Bratton of EllaBella Photography in Las Vegas has stolen. And I didn’t even look in all her folders. That right there should be shocking to anyone. In fact, there is a few I had saved under just Renee Bratton so there is even more. Amazing.

    • You can’t fix stupid

      If you look at her recent uploads she was uploading pics of her family with the stolen pics inbetween. She did this over months. A few at a time.

  • admin

    Wow you guys are such avid amateur lawyers when it comes to U.S. IP law. Yet many of you managed to completely overlook the ones that really might create a problem for you: http://www.cbabc.org/For-the-Public/Dial-A-Law/Scripts/Criminal-Law/206.aspx

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Hi Teresa!
      How’s school going for you? They kick you out? Put you on probation? Friends all hating you now? How about the family?
      I’m wondering, did you actually READ where that came from? Probably not. Perhaps you should!

    • Lindsay11

      Hmm I don’t live in Canada. Photostealers isn’t based in Canada and neither are you. So uh… try again?

      • BullShite

        BLAME CANADUH!!! BLAME CANADUH!!!

    • Ohhhhh noooo what have I done??? Canada laws what should I do???

      • Lindsay11

        I guess you can never go to Canada now. 🙁

    • BullShite

      I dunno, that doesn’t sound like Teresa. Jared perhaps? Oh wait he went to law school…. you would think he would know better?

      • U Really That Dumb?

        She may have rubbed off on him.

        • BullShite

          Either way, this is about the goddamned smartest thing that has ever been posted here!! LOL.

        • Lindsay11

          Thank Glob the person I married isn’t an idiot. I didn’t know it was contagious! Do they make protection for that??

    • Justin Case

      that was kind of a pathetic hit and run. Want to try again?

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Teresa,
      I’m wondering, when you get served, would you like the same officers to do it or would you like is to get different ones? Also, since we know they have real police work to do, would you like to schedule a time for them to meet you at the Fenbrook Drive address?

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. YOU don’t get to dictate what stays and what goes.

      • Hmmm what do you think???

        • U Really That Dumb?

          I think Mamaroneck PD are seriously over worked!

    • That’s a Canadian website … way to fail.

    • U Really That Dumb?
  • You can’t fix stupid

    Did you steal your name from this photographer? https://www.facebook.com/ellabellaphotography?_ft_

    • You can’t fix stupid

      **attachment**

  • GlennMcQuaig

    Ugh! After reading the initial “apologies” and confession, I really thought this one would have a nice, happy resolution. Once again, a thief disappoints. It’s really hard to fathom the thinking of these folks. I would feel so much shame and humiliation if I did this (just one of many reasons why I wouldn’t ever do it!). What is it that keeps people from feeling that?

    On a side note, I hope PS folks keep to the highest road possible in comments among one another. The only thing that ever really brings me down when reading the comments is that some are unnecessarily rude. As a long-time supporter and lurker (but only rare comment participant), I hope this community can continue to work hard on being on the same side of outing thieves.

    Continued kudos to everyone who works so hard on doing this work. I sure hope my stuff isn’t stolen again (many years ago, before PS, some was), but if it is, it’s nice to have this group on the job!

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Renee Bratton of ELLA BELLA PHOTOGRAPHY IN LAS VEGAS, NV
    (702) 370-4841

    You may have locked down parts of your page, but you still have stolen items out there! Does your hubby know this? How does he feel about possibly loosing everything you own because of your actions?

    As a reminder from PhotoBucket TOS:”By uploading, you are confirming that the Content is yours—no one
    else’s—and that the uploading and use of your Content does not violate
    the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights,
    intellectual property rights or human rights of somebody else. If we
    learn that you are infringing others’ rights or are using Content that
    is not yours, Photobucket has the right to remove this Content and you
    agree that you are responsible for any costs associated with the
    infringement.”

  • Christopher C.

    I’ve been in touch with one of the wronged photographers, and while they were already aware of this problem before I had brought it to their attention, I did provide new information. They have also been in touch with Renee and shared details of that conversation with me.

    I think you’ll find that if you now view the photobucket, you will find it very empty.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Did you see my post below? She knows. As does PB who is taking legal action against her.

      • Christopher C.

        Your post has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          I like how you edited your comment AFTER you learned that PB was already taking legal action. So sorry, your FOS!

          • Christopher C.

            I expanded the details on the private discussion I had.

            Your post still has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.

    • peaceetc

      It says the Photobucket account is private, so we can’t say for certain it’s empty.

      • Christopher C.

        Actually I can say for certain that it’s NOT empty. Only publicly empty.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          Sorry but you’ve already proven you are FOS. Screen capture below told us that it’s not empty.

          And before you go and edit the comment above again:

          • Christopher C.

            I don’t know what FOS means but I do know that I emailed the person I’ve been in touch with over an hour ago with some information that can help them. I’m sharing it here for the sake of completeness.

            You should find something else to do. You’re really bad at this.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            You haven’t shared anything but the fact that you are so special because you have private information that you’re not willing to share. Great, I have a ton of information, like what FOS and CRI stand for.

            Let’s think about your game for a minute.
            Timeline: You emailed them an hour ago.
            You posted here two hours ago.
            I provided proof that is was locking down FOUR hours ago and advised the page that PB was taking legal action. Nice guess and made up story. If you had actual information why are you refusing to share it?

            Again you are FOS and have CRI.

          • Christopher C.

            Believe what you like. You’ll find out pretty quickly that I’ve been honest. But that’ll just make you even more upset. Oh well.

            Enjoy your day. 🙂

    • You can’t fix stupid

      Bullshit! it says that it is PRIVATE
      We have no way of knowing if evey thing is taken down and with her record I highly doubt it. You know I was happy when she first came in and said that she was sorry but since then we have found more and more stolen work that wasn’t taken down. She lied
      Attachment

      • Christopher C.

        Yes I agree. If you read through everything you’d see where I said that it’s PUBLICLY empty, and that she’s keeping everything private. You’ll also see that I’ve notified the photographer I’ve talked to of this very fact along with specific links to still-existing content.

        For what it’s worth, that photographer confronted Renee with that fact as well. There was a reply about trying to delete from a phone and whatnot, but Renee has done plenty of lying so who knows what’s true anymore.

        • Me, Myself and I

          Christopher, I’m not trying to be confrontational but there is not such things as PUBLICLY empty. She still has illegal copies of the files if they are just marked as private, she could still be using them to con potential clients by giving them access as needed.

          Even if she didn’t, just having a copy is still illegal.

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Angel,

    I am able to see your post but unfortunately due to attacks on the page your email needs to be verified prior to posting.
    In response to some of your comments. You should know that what Christopher is feeding you is only a small part of the story and very one sided. I would suggest that you read all of the posts and see that Renee has been lying all along.
    As for attacks, there have been none. That is not tolerated. Just because Christopher feels people are being harassed or attacked, that doesn’t mean it’s happening. He has a tendency to jump in at the end of an outing and claim everyone is attacking the stealer. He has been told that his opinion is just that, his opinion, and not necessarily the truth. More than once he has been told to step away and tone it down.

    Any claims that she (Renee) has been harassed on her phone, text, or email have never been proven.

    Again, please follow the proper procedures in verifying your address.

    • Christopher C.

      “You should know that what Christopher is feeding you is only a small part of the story and very one sided.”

      I’m pretty sure you have no idea what I’ve “fed” her.

      “More than once he has been told to step away and tone it down.”

      Really? News to me! 🙂

      • chuck knuckles

        Why is this troll still posting here?

      • Helena

        Yes, because it’s like you’re trying to police the page, and it rubs people up the wrong way, especially people who have been around a while. If the person who runs the site is happy with the management of the comments then you need to accept that, and stop trying to change it. Put your sense of humour hat on and take things a little less seriously.

      • NoReally

        “”More than once he has been told to step away and tone it down.”

        Really? News to me! :)”

        Gosh, really? Here’s at least two comments telling you that maybe since you are so unhappy here, this might not be the place to post. Maybe you just didn’t read these?

        http://stopstealingphotos.com/ella-bella-photography-las-vegas-nv/#comment-1572895219

        http://stopstealingphotos.com/photography-jennifer-bybee-tn/#comment-1553457012

    • Christopher C.

      Oh, and I thougt I was “FOS” and this whole thing was a “guess” and a “made up story.” What happened?

      See, others can play the screenshot game too. 🙂

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Wow, you don’t even get why people think you are FOS!

    • Christopher C.

      You really should address Angel’s follow-up reply to your post here, since it outright refutes all of your accusations against me. No wonder you’ve ignored it thankfully, she shared it with me as well, so here it is:

      I don’t have any emails requesting I verified anything. I was not looking for conflict and just explaining why I hadn’t chimed in yet. I don’t know any of you so not joining any sides but the first email I received from Chris said this (nothing about the conflicts here, I got that all from reading comments last night. Yes ALL the comments…)


      Hello. It seems a “photographer” is stealing some of your photos and trying to pass them off as their own work. Please see here:

      http://stopstealingphotos.com/ella-bella-photography-las-vegas-nv/

      The specific stolen photo appears on this page:

      http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/EllaBellaPhotos44/media/Portraits/8AngelGray_webb-36_zps4416e7e8.jpg.html

      Please consider taking action against this person, as they have stolen from a great many photographers.

      Thanks, and good luck.

      Angel here, that email was not in the tone you are suggesting he wrote to me in; it was not in defense of Renee at all. So this is all very confusing to me as an outsider to this group. Also, I didn’t say there had been attacks only that proven attacks work against a real case. I know Renee told me from the start she was being harassed but I also know that could easily be untrue. I have no part in any of that so it’s really none of my business and I’d rather not discuss it further. I’m interested to see how this all turns out and only wrote in to give my part of the story to you in case there are other photographers out there on the list who have been stolen from, who need information. I will certainly take legal action on this if I need to, as I have in the past but I’m waiting until the dust settles and hoping for the best.

      • SIPT

        Christopher,
        How about this, you follow the advice of multiple people
        here and leave. Your reputation is that of a bully and liar. Why should
        anyone listen to you now? You have anger issues and problems with
        authority. Perhaps you would like to dedicate more time to your blog.
        How about updating your resume because once your employer sees your
        actions here you will likely need the resume to find a new job. Better yet, explain to the people here how much you hate IP rights.
        http://www.accipiter.org/comments.php?entry=20020221

      • Nick Sirmans

        It’s not surprising that you were now ignored. The infighting here amongst members lately has become quite the source of amusement.
        Seems to be a common thread to either ignore or ban anyone that tries to use a little compassion or interject some sort of reason to things. If you look around, you will notice that the number of regular commentators has decreased now to just the few that like to attack, harass, and antagonize. My guess is the rest finally got fed up.
        I commend your efforts Chris, and now you see why many of us normal folks just sit back and observe. It has been very hard for me as to late to refrain from voicing my own opinions when these few get out of control.
        I also share the same feelings about URTD as a moderator. Really? That just shows the owners real nature and direction for the page.
        Keep it up Christopher C, There are many lurkers out here applauding you from behind the curtain!

        • Nick Sirmans

          I should add that I am not trying to stir anything at all, just dislike seeing someone who is trying what may be a different approcah, get so much flack just because his approach may be different and gentler than the norm. Felt led to give the guy a little support, he does mean well and seems very sensible and contrary to what some have said, does not seem to in anyway be supporting or defending the theft. Just seems to refrain from quickly jumping to the worst possible conclusion.
          There is some freedom to defend with words here, correct? Or shall I now expect to be banned?

          • Christopher C.

            I appreciate the kind words. 🙂

            In defense of some of the “regulars” here, I’ve noticed that there actually are a few level-headed/good-natured people around. (Helena, peaceetc, Justin Case, Joseph Philbert, Marc W., and definitely a few others including Corey Ann herself.) They’re not as much interested in stirring the shit as they are trying to be part of a community intended to do right. I respect that, despite the occasional mutual misunderstandings.

            I also don’t hold it against Corey Ann for the actions of one sour mod, or even for the actions of a few as part of a wider public community. Bad apples are all around, and hopefully they can learn from the bad and steer toward the good. I like to push for good in trying to keep reason and encourage others to do the same, but in this kind of space with such a scarcity of tone, it comes across negatively. I’m glad some can still see what I’m trying to do, so thanks.

            Unfortunately there are also the lost-cause cases, such as someone who went through nearly every historical entry in my personal website desperately searching for something to use against me, and all they could find was a 12 year-old critique of one company’s
            nasty use of the DMCA and my associated minor criticism of the DMCA itself, twisting that into me somehow “hating IP rights.” It’s
            hilarious. 🙂

            Even though I, like you, am having a harder time finding the motivation to continue being involved with PS, I haven’t given up hope on the people here. At the end of the day PS is a force for good, and I’d like to think that counts for something too.

            Thanks again.

          • Nick Sirmans

            No thanks needed. It is evident that you are able to take the high road. Very commendable and I for one look forward to your contributions in the future. About the lost cause searchiing through all your entries, that is just pathetic and gives a very clear picture of their own motives for being a pat of this group. i agree with you, at the end of the day, this page is a force for good and that does count. I just hope people can continue to grow and learn in their approach and interaction. What is the saying?; Learn how to play well with others? Great lessons learned in kindergarten. Maybe a few of us should look back just a tad.

          • Justin Case

            Trying to stir things is EXACTLY what you are doing. You won’t get banned for that, but it’s not doing one god damned bit of good to move this thread forward.

          • Nick Sirmans

            Maybe that is how you see it. I saw the comments hours ago but was unable to comment until now, due to that pesky little thing called work. Again, not wanting to stir, just wanted to offer some support to CC.

        • peaceetc

          Nick, nothing else is happening on here right now, except some people trying to get stuff straight on here. It’s basically become the Christopher C. show.

          I don’t know of people being banned just for disagreeing. I can see what happens behind the scenes, and the only things that have been deleted recently are Christopher’s multiple postings of the same exact thing. So, no, your argument doesn’t ring true. If that were the case, Christopher himself would have been banned, yet he’s still here.

          Please, let’s keep this civil, and stay on focus.

          • Nick Sirmans

            You got it. Civil I will be, always. Since I don’t see behind the scenes, I could only go by the comments made by others telling him he should leave and the comments made by URTD to Christopher and to another infrequent commenter (maybe not on this thread) that he was banned after disagreeing with URTD’s methods.
            Time to pull the curtain over myself once again and simply observe.

        • BullShite

          Honestly Nick, the reason this regular poster has not been commenting, is that probably just like you, I come home around 5/6ish after working all day, and relax in front of the computer. However, from a personal point of view, if I see two people that I have zero emotional investment in, or personal relationship with fighting, I just consider it none of my business and go watch cat videos for a few hours.

          I’m sure I am not the only one that thinks this way, which is probably where the “silence” comes from.

  • Justin Case

    Hey everyone, let’s remember why we’re here. This site is about PEOPLE WHO STEAL PHOTOS and trying to get them to stop. And maybe once in awhile getting some restitution and credit for the hard working photographers who created the original images. It is not about who is best at it or what methods you approve of or disapprove of. IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU.

    Whatever gets people to take down the offending material is the point. Personal attacks on other commenters don’t help. Lets keep the focus on the main issue, and if you have other axes to grind, the internet is a wide and wonderful place, and I’m sure you can find a space for your opinions.

    The moderators do a fantastic job of trying to keep this place a safe and civil place for everyone. Please show them some respect by keeping on topic.
    Thanks.

    • peaceetc

      Well written, Justin. Thank you.

    • GlennMcQuaig

      Thanks, Justin. My feelings exactly. I would hope that the most vitriolic of posters start to understand this.

    • Well, it’s a little about ME as well, because, well everything is about me. But yeah, what you said has some merit too. 😉

    • Marc W.

      Justin for president!

  • doncalifornia

    Thanks for posting this info, Angel. This is only my personal opinion but apparently there’s a lot more going on in Renee’s personal life than we know. Meaning, when she said she “didn’t need” your photos, and never showed them to clients anyway (but kept them in her private gallery), I started getting the feeling that she is just trying to carry on a ruse for her friends and family. Perhaps she’s taking her lies private, but maintaining them for those close to her to carry on the illusion that she is a working and successful photographer. That’s all I can think at this point. I might be wrong of course. She’s an odd one.

  • You are an idiot…and probably illiterate. You never bother to look at all the evidence before and after her apology. I too thought her apology was genuine until I saw other images and text she plagerized popped up. You are her friend and you need to remove the rose colored glasses.
    So call me a psychos all you want and tell her good luck on the lawsuit that will never come to pass 🙂

  • Lindsay11

    I have almost 100 screenshots just from her public photobucket account. Her daughter is in none of them. She did not take them. Why would she need to “store” photos that don’t belong to her?

    Go ahead and share proof of this so called harassment. We’ll wait.

    Go ahead and show us which photos that are listed here are hers. We’ll wait.

    Oh wait, you can’t. And you were a driveby blah blah blah fuckers. OK! Thanks for stopping by!

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Too bad you have no clue what the hell you’re talking about. Even just one stolen image is illegal. So yeh, she fucked up and now has to pay the price.
    As for harassment, sorry, don’t believe it for one second.
    It’s been proven time and time again that she stole. It’s never been proven she was harassed. It’s only been hearsay and that won’t hold up.
    So now go back to your fairytale land smoke some more of whatever it is you’ve been inhaling.

  • Melinda Potter

    Photobucket is image hosting, not storage. It was named EllaBellaPhoto, same as all her business links. The stolen photos were organized and labeled “Family, maternity, newborn” and so on. There were hundreds upon hundreds of them before she cleaned up. Some of which were used on her website/blog to advertise her services. I Don’t think she thought we would find them, and in THAT way she thought it was private. To me it looks as though she were collecting them to eventually use them on her blog for self promotion. In a sense “setting up” and getting her ducks in a row so she would have a steady flow of content to share with her audience. Or possibly she was using the albums to direct potential clients to? All I’m saying is no photographer I know “collects” other photographer’s work in this manner. They don’t download them, and then upload them to hosting sites to refer back to them later. They don’t use them on their blogs or marketing. Photographers just don’t think that way. Fauxtographers do all the time though. Photographers follow artists we are interested in, we sometimes ask questions on how the images were made in an attempt to learn, we save links, and refer back to them. Sometimes we will ask them if we can share their work and discuss it with others or link to them and say “Check this photographer out”.

    I’m interested in purchasing a photograph right now. I’ve had my eye on it for months. I admire the hell out of it and I think it would look fabulous on my wall. I know it’s a picture I will never even come close to achieving. I have not downloaded it. I saved a link to where it is hosted and for sale, and I visit it. I do the same when buying any product that isn’t going to be purchased immediately. Why? There is no reason to download it, upload it to my online anything for storage or otherwise. People don’t do that. Do YOU do that? NO, and I’ll tell you why… you aren’t planning on using any images to market yourself that’s why. You have no use for “collecting” in this manner. No one does, unless they are up to no good with the images. I guarantee she wouldn’t be able to direct anyone to where she found the images she was “collecting”. She wanted them, and took them for herself. In fact earlier in this comment thread she told one of the artists that she took all of their photographs down and apologized. She hadn’t. I don’t think this was to be rude. It was because she didn’t know who she was even talking to. She didn’t know what images were theirs. “Inspiration” my ass. This is just my two cents.

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Since she had the images for sale, she is looking at possible state and federal charges. Let her know to get in quality time with her daughter no, because she may only have it through glass in the future.

  • Helena

    Greg, you’re a moron.

    1. Privacy of photobucket is set by the owner.
    2. No, the 70+ photos WERE NOT taken by Renee and were found AFTER she gave a bullshit apology.
    3. No one gives a crap about her holiday pictures and snaps of her daughter. Really.
    4. She gave you proof of harraasment so PLEASE prove it to us, otherwise I’ll just assume that you too are full of shit like most of the people who cry harassment. Not like we’re contacting and abusing a 16 year old… Oh hang on, that was Renee.
    5. Arguing with losers like you isn’t top of my list of things to do either, but while there are complete arsewipes stealing other people’s hard work, and imbeciles like you defending them, then I guess I better get used to it.

    Enjoy not replying you idiot.

    • Helena

      All of the above still stands Renee. You are an even bigger moron for coming here as a sock puppet.

  • Melinda Potter

    I realize in the “real” world out there you’re thinking “big whoopty do! These people are nuts!” but, you have to understand that she labeled herself a photographer and even went so far as to solicit her services to the public and say “this is what I can do for you”. In photography land, using other people’s work in this manner is the very lowest thing a person could possibly do. We are going to have a hard time with it. We aren’t going to just let it go. It’s appalling, dishonest, and despicable. All I’m saying is your friend is a fauxtographer. This label may not be a big deal to you, and I completely understand why. But, don’t defend her and say she isn’t a fake, in an attempt to prove she is an honest, legit photographer in a group full of photographers. It won’t go over well.

  • U Really That Dumb?

    I have to ask? How closely related to Renee are you?

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Or should I say Hi Renee!

      • Lindsay11

        You would think that since this is Renee, it would be pretty easy for her to prove someone harassed her.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          She can’t. She is so deep in to this rabbit hole that she doesn’t see a way out.

          • Melinda Potter

            NOT coming here defending herself would be a good start, since there is no defense at this point. Just quietly go away Renee. Quit obsessing about what is said here about your fauxtography business, and don’t open up shop with false anything (words or images) in an attempt to pull one over on your potential customers. Be honest about your abilities, be completely legal, and never use other people’s work for your own gain again. or give up the scam that you don’t have the heart to be legit at doing and find a different source of fun. BAM! Problem solved

          • Melinda Potter

            well that is unless the original photographers ask to be paid… in THAT case pay them, and then problem solved

          • U Really That Dumb?

            I’m guessing they can’t afford it, even if they sold all of their toys.

          • Melinda Potter

            Most people pretending to be in business can’t afford to. It’s an idiocy I will never understand

  • Lindsay11

    It’s time to stop hiding behind fake names and using stupid made up stories Renee Bratton. No one harassed you. You stole a buttload of images and lied about it. You got caught and you lied about it. You pretended to apologize and kept stealing and lied about it. You got called out on that and LIED ABOUT IT.

    Why come back today to lie some more? Why are you posting at midnight? Trying to hide it from Justin? Give it up. If you’re not going to stop and apologize you should stop coming back here to poke us. You’re not as smart as you think you are.

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Renee,
    You have been CAUGHT! We know 100% this is you or Justin.
    Do you really want us to provide the proof? We can, and you won’t be happy about it one bit! Oh, and no, it’s not harassment, it’s PUBLIC INFORMATION tying back to a known thief, fraud, and liar!

    • Nick Sirmans

      Can you share the IP from Greg J post so that we can all know for sure that this is indeed Renee? Then we can accurately direct our comments, rather than our assuming it is her.
      I, for one, think it is pretty tacky to make up non-extistent people to defend yourself.
      Renee, if this is you, either stand up and defend yourself, YOURSELF, of like Melinda Potter suggested, go away quietly, make things right, and quit poking the bear.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Sorry but not going to happen.

        • Nick Sirmans

          Sharing the IP or her going away quietly?

          • U Really That Dumb?

            I was talking about IP, but good point, likely not her either.

      • Photo Stealers

        Nick, the email used for GregJ is very easily traced back to Renee with a Google search.

  • Photo Stealers

    Her website said “to see more of my collections please contact me” and here’s an account where she could easily email a potential client a link to view more of “her” work. Also note that in her photobucket she had a separate album for inspiration and her personal images were backed up to a different album.

  • Justin Case

    You know, I am not at all invested in this whole discussion, but since ‘Greg J’ decided to come here and start calling people psychos and accusing the website of being behind email harassment, I feel compelled to point out a few obvious fallacies:

    1. Photobucket has a clear TOS when it comes to uploading images you did not create: “By
    uploading, you are confirming that the Content is yours—no one
    else’s—and that the uploading and use of your Content does not violate
    the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights,
    intellectual property rights or human rights of somebody else. If we
    learn that you are infringing others’ rights or are using Content that
    is not yours, Photobucket has the right to remove this Content and you
    agree that you are responsible for any costs associated with the
    infringement.”
    2. When you use you BUSINESS NAME for a photo hosting site, it ceases to be personal. If you continue to use that site to host your own personal holiday pictures, you are either silly or ignorant, but either way that is on you, not on the public who happens to go there.

    Good luck Renee. Prove your defenders right by moving on and giving up the fake names and excuses.

    • Melinda Potter

      ut oh! Now you’re invested 😉 So funny… I came here to PS this morning to see if there was anything new happening. I saw that there was a new comment on EllaBella Photography in LasVegas NV, and kind of rolled my eyes out of shear boredom or “Eh, dead horse”. But, then after reading “Greg’s” comment I got all fired up again. Seriously? Who would ever think that coming here to insult us and defend someone without any defense would be a good thing to do?

      • Justin Case

        kicking the hornets’ nest out of shear frustration, I think.

  • Just a Girl

    WHY would she want to store someone elses photos in the first place? If you like something enough to want to keep track of it..BOOKMARK THE WEBPAGE. There is only one reason to download someone elses photo off of their site..and that’s to steal it

  • Greg J

    Wow it’s amazing how paranoid everyone is here. Thinking the first person to stick up for her HAD TO BE RENEE lol. You guys crack me up. I do live in Las Vegas, but no I do not not know her personally. Once again a few of you are wrong and some are right. Yes she was stupid for not knowing using photo bucket meant you had to claim ownership. She didn’t know that and I’m sure a million other people don’t know that either if they are not in the photography world. Yes, you guys are right she is stupid and should have known that before uploading hundreds of pics. To that she is wrong.

    The reason I believe her is because if they were meant to be for her business or advertising why weren’t they on her website like the others and why were hundreds of her own personal pictures in there?

    To the person that said Renee only had her private pictures in different albums your wrong. The maternity pictures with the pink shirt and also the black shirt are HER. Her husband is in a few too. Also, look closely at the newborn pictures, AGAIN HER AND HER husband are in over 10 of the pictures, if you go under little ones her daughter is in over 25 of them, the 6 months ones and the 1 year ones. Really, why would she steal pictures and herself and her daughter?

    To the person asking me to prove the emails. I have several of them and if it comes to that point where the nasty emails won’t stop I’ll fwd them to the admin on this website to show to them how nasty a few of you are. Seriously, the names you called this woman are sick. The hatred from these email is like your acting like she killed someone…

    To everyone wanting this website to search my IP address, I’ll give you a tip. I live in Las Vegas and I’m on an iPad. You guys crack me up…

    • Sock puppet…

    • peaceetc

      “Greg,”

      Your first post was traceable back to Renee by the email address. You changed that to a free email address, but your post is still traceable directly back to Renee, because it’s the same exact IP address she used to post last week.

      ETA: your IP address on the previous post was also used by Renee last week.

      Want to try again, or can we just stop this charade?

    • Lindsay11

      The sad thing is, Renee Bratton, you aren’t the first person to stick up for you. SEVERAL people here have white knighted for you. Now you’re just proving how very wrong they were and how very unprofessional you are. Why would you keep coming back to bump this post? Is Justin not giving you enough attention?

      I bet the admin would love to see those emails right away. I wonder why you don’t want to forward them? Could it be because they don’t exist? Or you need more time to fake some up?

      I find it interesting that you, Renee Bratton, claim you aren’t Renee Bratton and aren’t a friend of hers, yet you know down to the number exactly how many photos are hers and exactly where they are. In her (now) private Photobucket account full of images she has stolen.

      You should drop the whole “but her personal pictures were there” schtick. OF COURSE THEY WERE. She was trying to pretend she was a photographer so OF COURSE she put in photos she had taken of her family with amazingly better photos she’s stolen. You ought to listen to yourself, sheesh.
      *attachment*

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Oops Renee

      • Lindsay11

        Why don’t any of our stealers understand what an IP is? It’s fairly ridiculous how easy it was to find out it was you Renee Bratton. I do wonder if your husband Justin Bratton (or jbrizzle44 as he likes to call himself) knows what a lying thief he married?

        • Photo Stealers

          The IP only showed us they were likely Renee’ or her husband, the same email she used to sell a motorcycle in the past was what nailed it. Greg = Renee or her husband.

          • BullShite

            At least he called her stupid.

    • BullShite

      Oh yes the “nasty messages” claim. We HAVE indeed heard this one before, yet for some reason no one ever provides anything as simple and easy as a screen shot.

      “I do live in Las Vegas, but no I do not not know her personally.”

      How did you get these nasty emails again? If you are just some random white knight who just happens to live in the same area she does? How is it you are her “protector”??

      Wanna clear this up mate?

      In reality we don’t need your IP info. You give it all away yourself.

    • keca

      I thought you didn’t know her personally? I’m confused. And why wouldn’t you forward the emails now? Why wait if they are as nasty as you claim?

    • Photo Stealers

      If Renee had pictures of herself in an album then she wasn’t the photographer.

  • Greg J

    Believe what you want…this is someone who is protecting Renee.
    1) Quit the emails
    2) Take down her personal photos, her daughters photos and her sister’s photos saying she stole them…preposterous.
    3) Get your facts straight
    4) Please go get a life and stop living on this website…please, it’s just sad.

    Done…GOODBYE!

    • Goodbye Renee.

    • peaceetc

      The funny thing is if you’d just have been upfront about yourself, we wouldn’t have cared. Renee is perfectly entitled to her defenders, or to defend herself. But we don’t put up with lies. Ever.

    • Helena

      1) What emails? Prove it.
      2) What photos? There’s one photo that was publicly available after you created a fake accounts to review yourself. Classy.
      3) We do, it’s you that seems a bit wobbly ethically, morally and possibly mentally.
      4) How about you get a life, stop stealing other people’s work, and stop making yourself look like an idiot fighting a losing battle commenting here.

      You said you’d only comment once before which backs up our case that you’re a liar and an idiot. Well done.

      • peaceetc

        Yeah, those mysterious emails. They never have proof of those, do they? We do have proof where Renee went after someone else, but that’s all. Funny how that works.

        And ol’ Greg here sure seems to know an awful lot about what’s in that Photobucket account for someone who doesn’t know her.

        Even without the email address or IP addresses matching Renee’s, Greg’s stories just don’t add up. We may be losers who live our lives on this web site, but we can spot a lie from a mile away, so we have that going for us, which is nice.

        • renee

          Mysterious emails?? Here ya go!

          here is the latest harrassing email I’ve received. Calling me a crack whore and it’s time to go get high, how does this have ANY relation to what I’ve done. I’ve never taken a drug in my life. Yes, I stole photos but drugs and being a whore, NO. This is just ONE of the emails where people are hitting way below the belt. It’s disgusting. I feel sorry for people like this, so much anger and hatred in their own lives they feel they must expel that anger on others. Does anyone know who this is…my husband and father would LOVE to have a face to face conversation with them! 🙂
          jamie johnson Sep 7 (4 days ago)
          to me

          Just saw you steal other people’s work and claim them as your own. What a piece of shit fraud you are. LOL. How’s it feel being exposed? I’m guessing someone with no ethics doesn’t care anyways. Oh look at that, it’s time to go get high crackwhore.LOL

          • peaceetc

            Respectfully, Renee, that’s not proof of anything. Do you have screenshots? And for the record, I have no idea who Jamie Johnson is. If someone did email you directly and harassed you, that’s not good, but this site can’t police everyone and tell them what they can and cannot do. The person who runs this site has actively advised people to NOT contact people directly, and strongly discourages any sort of harassment. There’s nothing more she can do than that.

          • renee

            Here is a screen shot of it…

          • peaceetc

            I can say no one with that email address has ever commented on this site, according to Disqus. Again, Photo Stealers is not responsible for some random person being a jerk in private email.

          • captain-confuzzled

            thanks for showing the screen shot. that kind of thing is definitely not approved of on this site.

          • Marc W.

            As mentioned (and I commented too) that this is not acceptable behavior and those regulars on PS (admin too) do not condone this. We also don’t accept lying and stealing photos.

          • Photo Stealers

            It is absolutely not something I condone but I can’t control everyone. It doesn’t trace back to anyone from this website but it could also be someone that is friends with someone you stole from and completely unrelated from this website. YOU NEED TO TAKE THE STOLEN IMAGES DOWN. Not hidden. Not private. DELETE THEM.

          • Me, Myself and I

            It’s not something the regulars on here do.

            We expose your fraudulent behavior, we’ll comment on stolen photos, we’ll contact the photographers you stole from … that, if real, was abusive.

            None of the regulars on here condone that activity. If you are getting abusive calls or emails, please do contact the police.

          • None of us would do that …but we cannot control everyone and as much as you would like to blame this site ultimately the fault is yours. Not saying being called a crackwhore is appropriate but what did you expect? When you do this kind of stuff it’s a insult to hard working photographers and emotions run high. I have seen outed photographers called a lot worse.

          • BullShite

            Well considering the fact that you stole from people who might feel a LITTLE BIT victimized by your behavior and false apology, the idea that an email like that would come from here (seems a little personal to me) doesn’t make as much sense as a photographer, you took from, or lets say, a person that was IN a photo you stole getting that vulgar.

            I don’t think you get it. No one cares about you, or your private life, or anything about you, or wether or not you do drugs… no one CARES.

            What WE care about is that you STOP STEALING, STOP LYING, and stop insulting us by thinking you are too clever to get caught again and again.

            We have busted you HOW MANY TIMES? Yet you keep coming back with fake profiles and a ton of stupid excuses, and now this “whaaaa someone sent me a nasty email” garbage….. you know what?

            IF YOU DID THE RIGHT THING NONE OF THIS WOULD EVER HAVE HAPPENED.

            Speaking of your dad, does he know you are a photo thief? Can I take some of your dad’s photos and tell everyone they are mine? That would be cool! It’s like getting to say I shot Bon Jovi without ever having to DO ANYTHING!! Seriously though does he know? Does he buy this bullshite?

      • renee

        here is the latest harrassing email I’ve received. Calling me a crack whore and it’s time to go get high, how does this have ANY relation to what I’ve done. I’ve never taken a drug in my life. Yes, I stole photos but drugs and being a whore, NO. This is just ONE of the emails where people are hitting way below the belt. It’s disgusting. I feel sorry for people like this, so much anger and hatred in their own lives they feel they must expel that anger on others. Does anyone know who this is…my husband and father would LOVE to have a face to face conversation with them! 🙂
        jamie johnson Sep 7 (4 days ago)
        to me

        Just saw you steal other people’s work and claim them as your own. What a piece of shit fraud you are. LOL. How’s it feel being exposed? I’m guessing someone with no ethics doesn’t care anyways. Oh look at that, it’s time to go get high crackwhore.LOL

        • Marc W.

          As said in your other posts of the same message. The admin and regulars on here DO NOT CONDONE private messaging and harassing. Your beef is with them, and if it continues, you should consult a lawyer… just as all the people you stole from should contact a lawyer about suing you.

          edit: changed “could contact…” to “should contact…”

        • Melinda Potter

          If your latest harassing e mail was 4 days ago, it seems to me that they have already stopped.
          BTW whomever sent you that e mail was in the wrong, and I don’t think it’s anyone making comments here on the blog, or attached to the photostealers blog in anyway. None of us put up with crap like that. What bothers me most is that they laugh after saying “What a piece of shit fraud you are”. That’s not anger. That’s not trying to correct you, or tell you what you need to do to correct your mess. Why would anyone laugh after saying a statement like that? It’s like they are just finding a reason to bully just for the sake of being mean. It’s kind of how I’ve always pictured thieves who don’t quite “get it” feel towards the people who send a take down notice, or call out the infringement or plagiarism privately or publicly.
          I once just pointed out a wrong with how someone was “sharing” other people’s work. “Your sharing incorrectly and making it look as though you are the one creating all of these beautiful photographs.” Linked to copyright information, and instructions/directions on how to share properly on Facebook and social media. And she flipped out completely on me. Called me every name in the book. It was a very unexpected reaction. That, and she didn’t correct a thing. I figured she reacted this way because she was indeed up to no good, and so I contacted as many photographers as I could find to inform them that their images were being claimed by someone else. I have no idea what happened behind the scenes, but it wasn’t too long before the corrections were made.
          I remember one time a photostealer shared their “harassing” messages with us, and they were nothing more than take downs, DMCA’s, instructions on what to do to correct things, an invoice, and/or just stating facts. I guess self examination is very difficult for a lot of people. Especially those who make bad decisions, or are being fraudulent in anyway.

    • Lindsay11

      Uhm, exactly which photos up above (in that huge ass amount of stolen photos that nearly break my scroll wheel trying to get through)… exactly which of those photos did Renee Bratton take? I’m sure, since you know her so well, you can tell us?

      • Rnee

        These are the pictures where the admin is wrong, they are not stolen, they are personal family photos!

        Go to where he starts displaying photobucket pictures…

        >The 8th screen shot – the 3rd picture is my sister’s engagement photo with the C-17.
        >The 9th screen shot – the 10th and 11th pictures is my sister eng photos again.

        Go to where he says “at this point I am done”….

        >The 1st screen shot – The 13th, 14th, 15th and 16th ( the last 4) pictures is my daughter and husband at Floyd Lamb.
        >The 2nd screen shot – The 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th pictures are OUR PERSONAL maternity pictures when I am pregnant. Were IN the shots, I am in a black shirt and then later a pink shirt.
        >The 3rd screen shot – The 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, and 16th pictures again are our maternity pictures, were in the shots again.
        >The 11th screen shot – ALL 12 pictures are of MY daughter!
        >The 12th screen shot – The last 3 is my daughter at 5 months
        >The 13th screen shot – The 1st 7 pictures are my daughter and/or her and my husband.
        >The 14th screen shot . The 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th are my sister and my little nephew’s newborn pictures.
        >The 16th screen shot – The 3rd-14th pictures are all of my sister or my daughters newborn pictures (12 pictures)
        >The 17th screen shot – The 1st, 2nd, 11th and 12th are my daughters newborn pictures.
        >The 19th screen shot – The last 4 are my daughters newborn pictures.
        >The 20th screen shot – The 1st picture is my daughters newborn picture.

        I added up 63 that are my personal family photos. How can I steal my own family pictures???

        • Lindsay11

          Hey Renee, do you want to explain why you came here posting as Greg and lying? Or maybe why you still have stolen images up even though you claimed you removed everything “IMMEDIATELY” 9 days ago? I thought you wanted to be a good role model for your kids? http://stopstealingphotos.com/ella-bella-photography-las-vegas-nv/#comment-1571279432

        • Lindsay11

          Oh and yes, you’re absolutely right some of those images up there are yours. We all know that. We can tell the difference between your shots and the professionals you stole from believe me. I assume Corey was posting screen captures of just the folders because you have SO MUCH STOLEN IMAGES on your photobucket that she gave up.

        • Marc W.

          Ok, so those 63 photos are photos you didn’t steal from other people. Congrats. What about the other ones?

    • Lindsay11

      Remember your first post when you said you wouldn’t be posting again? https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5601753600/h43AFE358/

    • V323

      “Greg”…this isn’t just about photobucket, it’s about your…HER pattern on photo thievery & disingenuous apology. I know you… SHE blocked me, but feel free to contact me anyway, if you truly want to clean it all up & move on.

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Renee (Greg),
    A little advice, SHUT UP, STOP STEALING, STOP LYING.
    Yes, you are still stealing and we now have even MORE proof! Do you seriously want to go to jail? Because as mentioned, are are looking at time behind bars. Do you not understand that?
    Does your husband know about all of this? How about your family? Would they be proud of the way you have continued to lie and steal?

    • Lindsay11
      • Renee

        This put a smile on my face, at least you were trying to be funny and not hateful like Homer Simpson above. Yes, your right Homer Simpson character, I need to go away quietly. I just felt the need to show everyone a screen shot of my latest harassing email (since no one believes it) and point out which photos are my family pictures and photos I took of my daughter, (since again no one believes it). I feel like I have closure now…

        • U Really That Dumb?

          The fact you keep forgetting is YOU STOLE IMAGES! Who gives a rats ass if your family pictures were on that page. That doesn’t matter one bit. The fact that you had, and still have, stolen images out there is what’s material to this case. BTW: the fact that you still have stolen images on the web will add to your civil and criminal charges if this gets to a judge.

          PLEASE tell us you told your husband!

          PLEASE tell us why you decided to come in as Greg and lie again? You thought we wouldn’t know? Seriously, are you truly that stupid?

        • Lindsay11

          We just call him URTD, it’s easier. I’m still waiting to hear why you pretended to be Greg, why you keep saying you’ve taken everything down and why you haven’t?

          (And in case you miss it below: Oh and yes, you’re absolutely right some of those images up there are yours. We all know that. We can tell the difference between your shots and the professionals you stole from believe me. I assume Corey was posting screen captures of just the folders because you have SO MUCH STOLEN IMAGES on your photobucket that she gave up.)

    • Nick Sirmans

      Hmmmmm? I thought you said this wasn’t gonna happen? Well, since this did, maybe the other will also – Renee going away quietly. Hahahahaaaaa Ok, one can dream.
      Renee – Post a SCREEN SHOT of the actual harrassing emails and then we may believe you. I for one don’t put much faith in copy/paste. Screen shot the emails, opened, and in your browser. That would be proof.

      • Photo Stealers

        It takes three seconds to create a new email address and send yourself a nice harassing email. I’m not sure I even would believe a screen capture at this point. I do NOT condone that kind of behavior however.

      • Lindsay11

        Perhaps there is more to the story than you or I know. I suppose it’s possible that there are things the mods know that you and I don’t and they have their reasons. We’ll just need to accept that and not question this. I am super glad they decided to share though, because this is ridiculous and laughable that she thinks she can get away with this.

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Legally, no, you don’t. But when you call your attorney about this ask them and they will tell you the same thing.

    All of this is part of being a professional photographer. You MUST MUST MUST know the law! You obviously are totally clueless!
    I hope you get every penny you ask for on the bike, because this could end up costing you 10x that in legal fees.

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Then why did he use your email address?

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Then why did you update the post on July 6th of THIS year? DOH!

  • U Really That Dumb?

    Is this the story you would like to stick with?

  • captain-confuzzled

    okay, here’s the thing, if you pushed the shutter button, you own the copyright. If you didn’t (a family member or someone else did), they own the copyright. simple. An artwork gains copyright protection the moment it is created by the person who created it.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Please don’t confuse the situation with the law. It’s obviously too much for her to handle.

  • Lindsay11

    Renee Bratton, the person who took the photograph owns the copyright. Not the person in the image. You would know that if you hadn’t jumped into “Professional Photography” in such a short time and actually did some studying about your chosen “profession”.

    • peaceetc

      Exactly. That’s how copyright works — the person who presses the shutter owns the photo, and they have to expressly transfer the copyright to someone else, such as via a contract. It’s not a communal or family thing.

  • Lindsay11

    You just keep digging your grave, don’t you? How about stop lying and go back to pretending to apologize. At least then you were sorta on the right track.

  • captain-confuzzled

    no one is suggesting that you should be ‘scared’ of us silly people. We just want you to do the legal and honorable thing and stop harming photographers by stealing their work. Yes, I get that some of the pics are yours, those aren’t the ones we care about, they are just mixed in with the stolen ones. There are plenty that clearly aren’t taken or owned by you. What seems lost in the conversation sometimes – although repeated endlessly – is that stealing from others is not okay and it does cause real harm. You are not the victim. the people you stole from are a victim of your actions.

  • Marc W.

    It doesn’t matter if a professional photographer took them or not. The point is, the person who took the photo (a kid, your sister, a professional, whoever) owns it. Did you get a signed letter saying that you have full rights to use/post that photo?

  • Photo Stealers

    WTF Renee, then why did you email me saying Greg was your husband?

    • U Really That Dumb?

      Oops… Again.

    • Lindsay11

      HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    • Lindsay11

      Wait, is she not only a (REALLY BAD) liar and a thief but she’s a polygamist too?? /sarcasm!

      • U Really That Dumb?

        I don’t judge when it comes to that.
        The fact that she is a lying thief is another story.

        • Lindsay11

          I don’t care if she marries a horse, it’s still illegal in Nevada. I assume. And am too lazy to look it up. And too busy laughing my head off!

    • captain-confuzzled

      Wow Renee, have you told Justin about your other husband? *smh*

    • Nick Sirmans

      Did she forward to you the harassing emails?

      • Marc W.

        So far it’s “email”. Only one was posted here.

        • U Really That Dumb?

          The address can’t be verified.

  • Lindsay11

    Remember this apology 9 days ago? Wouldn’t it be nice if Renee Bratton could go back in time and have REALLY removed everything and REALLY been sincerely sorry. I really wish that had happened. Renee, you can’t go back in time but you can stop lying and stealing NOW. Do it now so future Renee doesn’t have any more cause to wish she had a time machine.

    renee • 9 days ago

    I want to deeply and sincerely apologize to the photographers that work I stole and posted on my blog. It was wrong what I did. My conscience has been eating away at me for the past few weeks and I should have removed the photos then. I’m a mother and I don’t want my children to think this type of behavior is acceptable. If I didn’t publicly apologize I would be setting a bad example for my children. I want to thank Steven Joseph for sending me the link so I could publicly apologize. I truly feel horrible and I’m not just saying that to “say it”. I’m not a bad person, but I did a horrible thing. I know in my heart I will never post another photographers work as my own and again I want to apologize to those photographers I violated. My sincerest apologies.

    http://stopstealingphotos.com/ella-bella-photography-las-vegas-nv/#comment-1570996714

    • You can’t fix stupid

      Where is Steven Joseph? He has her email and has spoken to her. It is time he reaches out again and tells her that she is still in the wrong.

      • U Really That Dumb?

        Crickets along with Christopher.

      • Lindsay11

        Absolutely.

  • Photo Stealers

    Updated with images that are not Renee’s that are still loaded onto her Photobucket and accessible via direct link or via Google search. She didn’t delete the contents of the album, just made the albums private.

    • Marc W.

      Thank you. That’s what PS is about, stolen material, not personal photos.

    • Lindsay11

      Hey no wonder she always kept saying she removed the stolen stuff “off my blog”, huh? No Renee Bratton, you have to take EVERYTHING down you lying liar that lies.

      http://stopstealingphotos.com/ella-bella-photography-las-vegas-nv/#comment-1570996714

    • peaceetc

      Thank you for doing that. I think there are things Renee is still unclear on.

      Renee, delete any of the photos you personally did not take and do not have express permission to use from your Photobucket account, and anywhere else you may have placed them. Just marking them private obviously is not enough.

      As was discussed below, copyright is inherent when the photographer presses the shutter. Usage rights can be granted and copyright can be transferred, but just because someone in your family took a photo, that doesn’t mean you have permission to use it. It does not matter if a professional photographer took the photo. Copyright covers absolutely everyone, professional or amateur.

      I don’t care about your personal photos. I don’t think anyone else here does, either. That’s not what is at issue at all. Some of them may have shown up in screencaps, but that’s because they were grouped in with the stolen images.

      That one email you apparently received from some random jerk is unfortunate, but please realize that doesn’t constitute a pattern of harassment. That’s just some random person being a moron.

      And, finally, there’s the “Greg J” thing. The only way to deal with this situation is through truth. We respect honesty and dealing with things head on. Games, lies, and other attempts at deflection and deception don’t fly, nor should they.

  • Me, Myself and I

    Technically, the family member owns the rights to them but yeah, I get your point on that.

  • Me, Myself and I

    Pro or not has nothing to do with it. Copyright is vested directly with whoever took the photo the moment the shutter is pressed.

    It doesn’t matter if it is a cleaning lady taking a picture with her cellphone or Annie Lebovitz, Chaser Jarvis, David Hobby …

    Copyright is AUTOMATICALLY granted to whoever took the photo.

    “When is my work protected?

    Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.”
    source: http://copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#mywork

    Or

    First owner of copyright[edit]

    The author of a work is the initial owner of the copyright in it, and may exploit the work themselves or transfer some or all the rights conferred by the copyright to others.[31] The author generally is the person who conceives of the copyrightable expression and fixes it or causes it to be fixed in a tangible form.

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States_of_America#First_owner_of_copyright

  • Lindsay11
  • You can’t fix stupid

    Busted! Stop with the lying, really now, stop it. You are making it worse and worse.

  • You can’t fix stupid

    I went through pages and pages of those PB photos and each and every one was stolen INCLUDING her logo. Get your facts right. YOU RENEE stole. Grow a pair and come clean.

  • Lindsay11

    I didn’t see this in the updated part, but I may have missed it. Renee Bratton stole this logo from another photographer, uploaded it and it is still there as of 4:02 PST 9/11/2014
    *attached*

    (Took down everything immediately my ass.)

    • G

      It’s possible that the logo was made from an editable stock vector image or something along those lines which both parties paid for the use of. Doubtful, but possible.

  • doncalifornia

    “you silly people” seriously? about the silliest thing i’ve seen around here is that you refuse to simply DELETE the photos you’ve stolen. instead you make their folders private. so they still show up in your folders in google searches. uploading them was illegal in the first place. every single day they are in your possession and searchable on the web on a site where you attest to ownership before uploading, you are infringing copyright. really how hard is it to just DELETE the photos? you apologized a couple weeks ago and said you were removing everything. why didn’t you do that instead of hiding them? now you can give the link to any person who asks to see your work. simple image searches on the internet still bring them up. you are surely cementing yourself one of the most puzzlingly stubborn stealers to have ever posted here, when all you had to do was remove the images and apologize like you said. now that’s silly.

  • Photo Stealers

    Look up the recent case of the Monkey that took a selfie with a photographer’s camera. He was given copyright in the court of law because HE is the one that pressed the shutter. Whomever presses the shutter be it monkey, toddler or friend (has NOTHING to do with being a professional as that’s just a title one gives themselves when it comes to photography) is the copyright holder of the image. NOT the people in the image.

  • Savannah

    Okay, let’s put aside why this is wrong on so many levels to the hard working photographers who actually took these photos. Each minor you post a photo of on the internet with out a waiver opens you up to a potential lawsuit, especially these days. Considering how many photos there were of children under 18, this opens you up to a very large lawsuit opportunity from each of the parents. It is a invasion of privacy to that family (and the waiver they signed likely only gives rights to that photographer for their direct website) Not only are you stealing copyrighted images, you are posting photos of minors which is a sticky situation. Just food for thought.

    • U Really That Dumb?

      It’s called Fair Use

    • Lindsay11

      Are you upset Renee Bratton steals photos or upset that PS posts them? It’s sorta hard to tell.

      • Savannah

        Sorry for the confusion, just realized it was kind of vague. I said it was wrong to steal the images, and that it was wrong to post photos of minors…I meant it was wrong of Renee to steal & post photos of underage children without written consent of guardian. I highly doubt anyone (except the thieves, or their family) would protest this site. I imagine the courts, families & photographers all appreciate it & the time it takes to identify all of the images.

        • BullShite

          It might not be polite to post photos of other people’s kids, but it is NOT illegal. It’s called “fair use”. If you put it out in the world, especially on facebook (you REALLY need to read the fb terms of service FYI) it’s fair game under “fair use”. How do you think that news organizations post the fb photos of criminals? “Fair use”.

          HOWEVER taking someone’s image to pretend it is yours, sell a service or product etc is NOT. THAT is COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.

          • Savannah

            This is more for my curiosity & knowledge of the subject… and is not an argument, but a question. Anyone clear, or has experience with this subject please feel free to comment, or correct me.

            Taken from wikipedia; “Examples of fair use include commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use)

            That would legally include PS (which as stated before, i’m sure no one would care about a site trying to bring light to rightful owners anyways) But Renee using the images of minors taken directly from the photographer’s website doesn’t fit any of the above reasons. She can still be held liable by parents, correct? It’s illegal regardless due to copyright infringement of the photographer, I was just curious on the subject specifically of the parents of the minors.

          • BullShite

            As far as I know the parents can sue depending on the contract with the photographer, (See: Model release) and so long as it is not “fair use”.

            Like for instance when that person posted stealer Tasha’s kids? That is low, and not polite, and not part of PS “culture”, in dealing with thieves. (Though I suppose now Tasha understands how it feels to see your kids images taken and put somewhere without her control, or consent.) However it is NOT illegal, and she could not sue anyone, especially per-Facebook terms of service she agreed to when signing up.

            HOWEVER, the image of the baby with the hat that she used, (especially since the photographer asked nicely for it to be removed) to sell things…. depending on the contract with the photographer, the parents could probably sue her. That is copyright infringement.

            Got it now, mate?

        • Concerned Mom

          Well I know one of the photographers who’s photos were stolen. Which include another child’s photos, as well my child. I’m so upset I’m shaking and can’t even see straight. These photos were stolen from any of our own personal/private Facebook accounts. But from the actual photographer’s website.

          • U Really That Dumb?

            Sorry to hear this! She could have taken them from anywhere.
            Make sure you verify with Disqus so your posts go through.
            Discuss with the photographer what legal actions you are going to take against Renee. Realize that she has been playing victim, lying, and attacking the people that caught her this entire time.

          • Justin Case

            Check your contract with the original photographer. Unless you signed a model release allowing the original photographer to license your child’s image to a third party, you are likely allowed to seek damages apart from the copyright infringement.

            (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but I would certainly speak to a lawyer immediately and have them do any negotiating with Ella Bella Photography).

          • Me, Myself and I

            Justin, even if they DID sign a model release, the original photographer didn’t license the images to the thief so they can still sue the thief.

            ps.: Also not a lawyer.

          • Savannah

            I’m so sorry! I would be angry as well if it were my (future) child.

    • Justin Case

      Um, you ARE talking to Renee, right? Kind of hard to tell, since you didn’t address your post to anyone specific.

    • What privacy??? It a screen shot from a public site …. No one can sue for that…wait they can but they would have no chance of winning. None at all.
      It’s akin to sharing a image someone’s image that they post on Facebook.

    • Savannah

      Sorry, that was unclear in who it was intended for. To clear up the above post it was directed towards Renee, in no means was it directed towards this site! I realize I didn’t really direct it towards anyone particular in the original post, I will edit it as well. It was meant as CC & food for thought for Renee (and hopefully an added reason to take the images down, not just make them private)

      • Justin Case

        That has been posted often before on this site. Anyone using images they did not take to profit from them is breaking any number of laws. One of those MAY be the rights of the people in the images. The purpose of this website is to bring attention to the photo stealers for the benefit of ALL the people wronged by the theft: past and future clients, and of course the original photographers.

  • Concerned Mom

    I have found the source of one of the original photographer’s, as well as pictures of my own child, and a friend’s child on here. I’m so upset I can’t even see straight. Thank you for whoever took the time to do all the screen shots, because as of now all the pictures are removed from her social media websites, as well as her wanna-be photography website. However she still stole property from many photographers and parents!!!!!! I can’t get over this so easily! what other courses of action are appropriate!? Especially for us concerned parents!?

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